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[Cormoran]

Oh. You did quote the whole post though.

 

[cakebaker]

Re the bolded, I don't think that really applies to anyone in this discussion. I'm sure those people are out there, but I don't really see that here.

I did say some...didn't say who, and admittedly that was probably an overstatement. There are certainly some on this thread who want to see more and more rides, a lot of them have complained that rides like SDMT are a disappointment, so one can assume they want more thrill rides. There is a definite theme of more rides, more rides, more rides on this and other threads. So, with that caveat, I stand by what I said.

 

[cakebaker]

????? Cormoran????

 

[flicx]

If Disney can charge more for their tickets and people are willing to pay the increased prices then it makes sense to raise prices. Everything goes up! Milk... Gas... Luxury items will go up by larger percentages than staple items in recovery periods.

What you are stating is far from the truth. Everything does not go up. Gas has fallen to half of what it did cost recently along with many other things. Whether or not attendance has been good or bad Disney has raised prices every year, sometimes twice. They also have made a lot of drastic cuts to what tickets used to include too.

 

[Laketravis]

I did say some...didn't say who, and admittedly that was probably an overstatement. There are certainly some on this thread who want to see more and more rides, a lot of them have complained that rides like SDMT are a disappointment, so one can assume they want more thrill rides. There is a definite theme of more rides, more rides, more rides on this and other threads. So, with that caveat, I stand by what I said.

If that is true, and "a lot of them" or even "thousands and thousands" want more and more "rides", why is that somehow a selfish desire for some sort of undesirable end result? WDW exists because millions of people want more.

Many of the most popular "rides" at WDW are coaster rides, are they not? Is there something wrong with those people? Should they be going to a different park?

I just don't understand why it's necessary to cast anyone in an unfavorable light because of what they want, especially if a large number of them want the same thing and they are willing to pay for it.


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[flicx]

If that is true, and "a lot of them" or even "thousands and thousands" want more and more "rides", why is that somehow a selfish desire for some sort of undesirable end result? WDW exists because millions of people want more.

Many of the most popular "rides" at WDW are coaster rides, are they not? Is there something wrong with those people? Should they be going to a different park?

I just don't understand why it's necessary to cast anyone in an unfavorable light because of what they want, especially if a large number of them want the same thing and they are willing to pay for it.


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More rides and attractions is what got Disney to where they are today. Fact is they aren't building at a pace close to what they used to. I invite any one to look at the decade of the 90's. Disney constructed a lot of what they are still banking on today. The only thing they are building at a vigorous pace is DVC. People say its a me me me world. Disney sure seems to be handling their business in a me me me way. Cutbacks and increases, the new Disney management way!

 

[cakebaker]

If that is true, and "a lot of them" or even "thousands and thousands" want more and more "rides", why is that somehow a selfish desire for some sort of undesirable end result? WDW exists because millions of people want more.

Many of the most popular "rides" at WDW are coaster rides, are they not? Is there something wrong with those people? Should they be going to a different park?

I just don't understand why it's necessary to cast anyone in an unfavorable light because of what they want, especially if a large number of them want the same thing and they are willing to pay for it.


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And I don't understand your need to constantly try and characterize other people's posts as insensitive or insulting or putting people in a negative light. I don't agree with people who think Disney should become a thrill ride park. That's it, no insult to them, no casting aspersions- I just don't agree with that train of thought.

Yes, if you want a thrill ride park, I would suggest you go somewhere else. Disney, while they do have a few thrill rides, is not a thrill ride park. Personally, I'm glad they're not. There are other parks that do that theme quite well.

 

[erc]

Cutbacks and increases, the new Disney management way!

Twas ever thus... Heard the same things 10 years ago on these boards when Eisner was in charge.

I don't think anyone wants crazy thrill rides at Disney. They want themed rides. Preferably ones that tell a story and put you into the fantasy world that was created (or purchased) by Walt Disney Studios.

If you want thrill rides go to Universal or Six Flags.

 

[JimmyV]

Everyone recognizes that crowds at WDW have been increasing in recent years, and that large crowds are no longer limited to just a few peak weeks. One of the most common complaints on these boards seems to be that WDW needs to add more attractions to give guests more things to do. But, that can create a vicious circle as more new attractions, especially major ones, just increase the crowds and increase the demand on all attractions and other facilities (shops, restaurants, restrooms, etc ). You can't just add more things for more people to do without also working on how they are going to get around.

The most obvious current example is the hub construction that is designed to alleviate the horrendous pedestrian traffic jams that occur before, during, and after parades and Wishes.

There is another solution. One that won't result in capital expenditure, but could result in a flattening of park earnings. And that is to set the maximum attendance levels of the parks slightly lower than they are now. In other words, the levels at which they stop letting in off site guests, and then the level where they stop letting in anyone. Right now, when a park reaches critical capacity, it is uncomfortably crowded, freedom of movement is physically impaired, and people get cranky. Cranky guests are not happy guests. When the crowds at the MK grow to the point where movement around the hub requires millions of dollars of renovation, maybe it is time to address the crowding instead of the construction. If Disney cut off attendance at what Touring Plans calls an "8" crowd level day, the Magic Kingdom would not need a new hub, (which costs money); there would be less cry for additional attractions, (which cost money); less need for additional restaurants, (which cost money); and generally, happier guests. The number of days in the year that the MK sees crowd levels of "9" or "10" aren't that many, so this would actually be a very modest change. The hub renovation wasn't done because crowds in late February are unable to move. It was done because crowds on only the most crowded days of the year are unable to move. I say, address those few days, and not the infrastructure. Attendance growth is great. As long as you have places to put the people. The MK is pretty small and really wasn't built to handle 80,000 people per day. And if lowered attendance has to be met with an increase in ticket prices to fill the financial gap, so be it. People will still pay it.

 

[flicx]

Twas ever thus... Heard the same things 10 years ago on these boards when Eisner was in charge.

I don't think anyone wants crazy thrill rides at Disney. They want themed rides. Preferably ones that tell a story and put you into the fantasy world that was created (or purchased) by Walt Disney Studios.

If you want thrill rides go to Universal or Six Flags.

I never said they should build thrill rides. I said rides and attractions. Build , refresh, continue to grow. Some food for thought. If you don't build attractions during periods of record attendance and profits, are you going to build when its slow and you don't have as much money coming in?

 

[Laketravis]

And I don't understand your need to constantly try and characterize other people's posts as insensitive or insulting or putting people in a negative light....

I don't have to try at all. They are what they are. It's one thing to express an opinion, it's another to chastise others for not feeling the same way by suggesting they get out of your park.

It's hard to dispute what the most popular rides are at WDW:

Tower of Terror
Rock 'n Roller COASTER
Big Thunder Mountain
Space Mountain
Expedition Everest
Dinosaur
Test Track
etc....

Based on recent and current conditions I think it's safe to say a very large number of paying customers would like to see more of those types of attractions.


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[Lisa loves Pooh]

What you are stating is far from the truth. Everything does not go up. Gas has fallen to half of what it did cost recently along with many other things. Whether or not attendance has been good or bad Disney has raised prices every year, sometimes twice. They also have made a lot of drastic cuts to what tickets used to include too.

Gas prices are on the rise again and the reduction we had been enjoyng had to do with an overloaded supply in the supply chain. That really has nothing to do with Disney though.

 

[Laketravis]

I never said they should build thrill rides. I said rides and attractions. Build , refresh, continue to grow. Some food for thought. If you don't build attractions during periods of record attendance and profits, are you going to build when its slow and you don't have as much money coming in?

Not as long as there are enough people willing to pay more for less.


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[Angel Ariel]

I did say some...didn't say who, and admittedly that was probably an overstatement. There are certainly some on this thread who want to see more and more rides, a lot of them have complained that rides like SDMT are a disappointment, so one can assume they want more thrill rides. There is a definite theme of more rides, more rides, more rides on this and other threads. So, with that caveat, I stand by what I said.

Wanting more *Disney* thrill rides doesn't, imo, equate to wanting a mega thrill park. I won't lie, I think epcot, DHS and AK need love in that dept. AK is getting it. DHS might soon, we hope...no official announcements there. No word on adding ride capacity in epcot at all (redoing maelstrom isn't *adding* ride capacity there, just retheming current capacity).

That said, I'm not looking for rides I'd find in a "mega thrill park" like Cedar Point. I want *Disney* headliners, like TOT, Space and Everest. I enjoy coasters, but not the mega thrill coasters with ridiculous drops or standing as you.go through the coaster, etc. I don't think anyone is expecting Disney to become cedar point. There's a huge middle ground between SDMT and the thrill coasters at Cedar Point, and that's where Disney excels.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't have to try at all. They are what they are. It's one thing to express an opinion, it's another to chastise others for not feeling the same way by suggesting they get out of your park.

It's hard to dispute what the most popular rides are at WDW:

Tower of Terror
Rock 'n Roller COASTER
Big Thunder Mountain
Space Mountain
Expedition Everest
Dinosaur
Test Track

Based on recent and current conditions I think it's safe to say a very large number of paying customers would like to see more of those types of attractions.


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Was anyone disputing that?

You do realize those rides come with height restrictions right?

Peter Pan is extremely popular. But one one falls or screams while riding it. Odd.

 

[Laketravis]

Was anyone disputing that?

Certainly seems like it. If they aren't, then I'm not sure who they are trying to argue with when they dismiss sentiments for more attractions as a request for more thrill rides and coasters that they don't think belong in WDW.


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[Lisa loves Pooh]

Not as long as there are enough people willing to pay more for less.


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Someone will come along and pay more than you.

But just because you have repurposed your money, let's not pretend you are spending "less" per se. You are just spending elsewhere (and in the case of your convention, possibly using a corporate account to fund at least a portion of your accomodations as anyone on a business trip might).

 

[flicx]

Gas prices are on the rise again and the reduction we had been enjoyng had to do with an overloaded supply in the supply chain. That really has nothing to do with Disney though.

The poster implied everything goes up so Disney should raise prices too. There is still a substantial savings on gas currently compared to its highest points. Disney world has continually raised prices non stop irregardless of the economic situation in America. It also does have a lot to do with Disney. They too are enjoying a decreased cost for all the buses and equipment that use gas. That could be a substantial windfall!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Certainly seems like it.


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If they were, there might be quotes to support that assertion.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The poster implied everything goes up so Disney should raise prices too. There is still a substantial savings on gas currently compared to its highest points. Disney world has continually raised prices non stop irregardless of the economic situation in America. It also does have a lot to do with Disney. They too are enjoying a decreased cost for all the buses and equipment that use gas. That could be a substantial windfall!

When demand goes up, so does the cost.
Econ 101
So back for the gas--hence prices are sneaking up.