LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

Off topic but I really like how this new forum's "Ignore" feature even removes the quotes. For a minute there I thought some posters were talking to themselves.



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Frustration can never be reduced to zero. But it will lessen. To what extent can only be answered by knowing what percentage of guests are either first time visitors; first time using FP+ visitors; or visitors who are simply incapable of grasping the system no matter how many times they visit. (And yes, language and culture do present barriers here, whether the P.C. crowd wants to admit that or not).

Ever-increasing CM turnover will also hamper the effect of "getting used to it".


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Hey, silly....don't you know inflation doesn't exist in the Disney 'Bubble'!!!!
Let's not wade too deeply into the "revenue/cost/profit/inflation" pool. If Disney is doing such a bang up job and MM+ is the engine driving all of this, then explain its 8% profit increase for 2014 compared to the rest of the Entertainment industry in the Fortune 500*:

  • #44--Comcast/Universal=9.9% profit increase
  • #61--Disney=8% profit increase
  • #85--Twenty-First Century Fox=502% profit increase
  • #102--Time Warner=22.3% profit increase
  • #182--CBS=19.4% profit increase
  • #210--Viacom=20.9% profit increase
  • #460--Discovery Communications=14% profit increase
All of these companies were living in the same business climate and no one was inside a bubble.

*Sources:
http://thereformedbroker.com/2014/06/02/highlights-from-the-2014-fortune-500-issue/
http://fortune.com/fortune500/
 
And there's the other half of the "if you don't like FP+, it's because you don't like change" critique. It's the "if you don't like FP+, it's because you aren't tech-savvy" critique...... designed to insult people into silence, for fear of being labeled a Luddite.

Good tech is intuitive and customer friendly. Just because something is more high-tech does not make it inherently better.

I didn't say that "if you don't like FP+, it's because you aren't tech savvy". I said that if you are not tech savvy, you are more likely not to like FP+ because of the technical interactions that are required.

Insult people into silence? Not quite. You are just trying to spark the fire of us vs. them as you do with every other post. Not taking the bait. Sorry.
 

Let's not wade too deeply into the "revenue/cost/profit/inflation" pool. If Disney is doing such a bang up job and MM+ is the engine driving all of this, then explain its 8% profit increase for 2014 compared to the rest of the Entertainment industry in the Fortune 500*:

  • #44--Comcast/Universal=9.9% profit increase
  • #61--Disney=8% profit increase
  • #85--Twenty-First Century Fox=502% profit increase
  • #102--Time Warner=22.3% profit increase
  • #182--CBS=19.4% profit increase
  • #210--Viacom=20.9% profit increase
  • #460--Discovery Communications=14% profit increase
All of these companies were living in the same business climate and no one was inside a bubble.

*Sources:
http://thereformedbroker.com/2014/06/02/highlights-from-the-2014-fortune-500-issue/
http://fortune.com/fortune500/

Trying to compare Apples to Oranges. Most of the companies listed are not in the theme park business which is the only division relevant to MM+. You would have to compare the profitability of the theme parks division to other like divisions in other companies.
 
I don't think you are in the minority. I think a lot of people who are capable of making the technology work for them are enjoying the same success.

Paper fast passes were on their way out, FP+ or not. It was just a matter of what system would replace it. Digital everything is the future. Either people adapt or they get left behind. Some people have a hard time giving up things that are comfortable for them. Technology isn't comfortable for everyone.

I'm very comfortable with technology. Technology doesn't have anything to do with my feelings about FP+.
 
Trying to compare Apples to Oranges. Most of the companies listed are not in the theme park business which is the only division relevant to MM+. You would have to compare the profitability of the theme parks division to other like divisions in other companies.
I was responding to the notion that "Disney's inflation lives in a bubble". Inflation is inflation. (Energy costs. Salaries. Health Care. Benefits. Insurance.) Unless you are aware of some form of inflation that is unique to Theme Parks. And we can't siphon off the theme park division to compare it to other companies' theme park divisions. These numbers are all companywide and the companies that have theme parks count those as only a small part of the overall company. But......if you want to compare profit increase as between Disney theme parks and Universal theme parks for 2014, I'll accept that challenge. Someone out there probably has those numbers.
 
I was responding to the notion that "Disney's inflation lives in a bubble". Inflation is inflation. Unless you are aware of some form of inflation that is unique to Theme Parks. And we can't siphon off the theme park division to compare it to other companies' theme park divisions. These numbers are all companywide. But......if you want to compare profit increase as between Disney and Universal for 2014, I'll accept that challenge.

I am saying that I don't agree that MM+ (which only affects the theme park division) is relevant to the overall profit margins of large entertainment companies although you were clearly trying to draw that correlation. You are trying to connect dots that do not exist for the purpose of making a point.

Considering that Universal introduced their fancy new HP area, I would hope that their profit improved. If not, that would have been a failure on a huge scale.

By the way, I am not an anti-Universal type so trying to pick a fight there is not going to bear you any fruit.
 
An almost $2B "investment" by any company will be expected to have a large positive return and favorable impact on profits.



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I am saying that I don't agree that MM+ (which only affects the theme park division) is relevant to the overall profit margins of large entertainment companies although you were clearly trying to draw that correlation.
I am not trying to draw that correlation. To the contrary. I have been steadfast in my position that one cannot look at Disney's financial statement and declare MM+ to be a success. It is the "I love FP+" crowd and the "FP+ must be working because Disney is rolling in it" crowd that is doing that. Surely you have seen those posts. I am simply pointing out that Disney, as a company, is doing "just OK" when it comes to its finances. In a year when Theme Park attendance was at an all time high and Frozen broke every record imaginable, Disney's overall performance was fair to middling.

As for Theme Parks specifically, this came out two days ago:

Revenue Grows 19 Percent and Adjusted EBITDA(1) Grows 30 Percent in Fourth Quarter 2014


GRAND PRAIRIE, Texas, Feb. 18, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- Six Flags Entertainment Corporation (NYSE: SIX), the world's largest regional theme park operator, today announced its fifth consecutive year of record financial performance as it posted a company-high $1.2 billion in revenue, an increase of $66 million or 6 percent over 2013. The company generated full-year 2014 Adjusted EBITDA1 of $439 million, also a new record that represented an increase of $35 million or 9 percent over 2013.

So Disney is on par with, and keeping pace with Six Flags. Or the other way around. I am happy for both of them. And Universal too. So can people now stop telling us how "Disney is killing it because of MM+ and FP+"?
 
As I said before, people can dislike FP+, dislike Disney, dislike Mickey Mouse himself. Perfectly within their rights to feel and express that. Let me repeat that, perfectly within their rights to feel and express that (for those who like to spin words around after the fact). However, if those same people continue to spend their vacation dollars at Disney, they have made the only statement that is going to matter and as far as Disney is concerned, they love it all.

Disney can raise the prices on something that people will claim to hate and they will still buy it. That's insanity. If attendance dropped 30% due to the dislike of Fastpass +, you had better believe those voices would be heard loud and clear and Disney would make changes. That will not happen, in my opinion. In fact, I would guess that attendance will continue to rise. Just the opposite affect that those hoping for change would be looking for.

You can create 1000 threads on this board about how much FP sucks and 10,000 reasons for it and nothing will change. It's all noise.
 
If attendance dropped 30% due to the dislike of Fastpass +, you had better believe those voices would be heard loud and clear and Disney would make changes.
Given the recent rate of attendance increases, I would say that the voices would be heard loud and clear if attendance dropped 1%. Or better yet, the rate of increase dropped. If attendance gained a steady 5%-7% every year over the past 5 years and slows to 2%-4% over the next 3 years, would that concern Disney? It might. But they'd never admit to it.
 
I was responding to the notion that "Disney's inflation lives in a bubble".
I wasn't suggesting that, I was saying that inflation is inflation, no matter where you are, including Disney. That was in response to some people implying that ticket price increases were pure profit, which they aren't.
 
That was in response to some people implying that ticket price increases were pure profit, which they aren't.
But they just might be. That's the whole point. We don't know. In a year when overhead remains steady but ticket prices increase, then the price increase can indeed be all profit. The whole reason for showing what the other Entertainment companies are earning is to show that none of them are saddled with crushing inflation right now. No one is.
 
I am simply pointing out that Disney, as a company, is doing "just OK" when it comes to its finances. In a year when Theme Park attendance was at an all time high and Frozen broke every record imaginable, Disney's overall performance was fair to middling.

Where do you get this stuff? In the last year...

DIS: +25%
TWC: +1%
CMCSA: +15%
FOX: +8%
SIX: +15%
VIA: -17% (this was your best example! It's down on the year not up)

Disney has a market cap of almost $200B, so it dwarfs the other companies... it is 6 TIMES the size of FOX or TWC and is 44X the size of SIX. In other words... it takes a lot more money to move Disney up 25% than to move Fox up 25%.

1 year too short for you? Let's look at 3 years...

DIS: +145%
TWC: +87%
CMCSA: +93%
FOX: +95%
SIX: +87%
VIA: +34%

And you say a company up 25% in the last year, and having doubled-plus in the last 3, is "Just OK" and "performance was fair to middling"

And you provide other companies that are much smaller... and have done worse... as your basis.

Now go ahead and say this is not all theme park driven. Yet, you make the case that Disney as a company is doing just OK. Come on. Why would you even go there to say performance was fair to middling for a company that has nearly tripled its value in 3 years, and is a huge company in which doing that is typically near impossible.
 
Where do you get this stuff?
My sources are linked.

Key Financials
$ Millions
% change
Revenues
45041 6.5%
Profits 6136 8%
Total Assets 81241
Total Shareholder Equity 45429
Market Value (on March 31, 2014) 140287

Yes. In 2014, a profit increase of 8% is fair to middling. You don't say what your numbers are or where they are from. Where do you see that profit increase for 2014 was 25% or that profit increases over the past 5 years were 145%. I can't replicate that.
 
I'd be interested to see the demographics on just who has been increasing the attendance levels over the last 7 years. Just my personal opinion and observation, but it seems that the level of South American guests and increases over the last handful of years go hand in hand. If that is true then it kind of taints the whole argument about people spending money on something they dislike or hate, because I highly doubt that they research or plan their trips the way that domestic guests do.
 
I'd be interested to see the demographics on just who has been increasing the attendance levels over the last 7 years. Just my personal opinion and observation, but it seems that the level of South American guests and increases over the last handful of years go hand in hand. If that is true then it kind of taints the whole argument about people spending money on something they dislike or hate, because I highly doubt that they research or plan their trips the way that domestic guests do.
At times it may seem as if South Americans are a huge presence. But in the larger scheme of things, I doubt that their numbers move the meter all that much. It would be interesting to see the numbers though, because from what I have seen, many of those large groups do no planning at all and seem to be led by tour group operators who probably put in all the effort.
 
At times it may seem as if South Americans are a huge presence. But in the larger scheme of things, I doubt that their numbers move the meter all that much. It would be interesting to see the numbers though, because from what I have seen, many of those large groups do no planning at all and seem to be led by tour group operators who probably put in all the effort.


I dunno, we've been in February, March, September and December and I've heard about 10% English and 90% Portuguese over the years. I really would love to see someone compile the numbers.
 





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