Lots of service dogs this trip

[SL6827]

I just think it would be awful for someone to seriously abuse this law. There are real people who are in real need of their animals.

 

[EdmondD]

Here is a quick idea maybe just maybe if your "support dog" needs a "support dog" it's a GREAT idea for everyone that you just leave it at home. I am going to go out out on a limb and say you have heard that before. I can not even believe that you posted something so crazy. PLEASE TELL MEMTHIS IS A JOKE

@thick mickey you are earning your ears and your user name.

 

[wgeo]

I know someone who bought a vest for their dog just so they could bring it with them everywhere because they think the dog is too lonely to left alone and it pooped in the house the first time they left it. That bothers me, but what are you going to do? There are soo many legit reasons that people can have service dogs and they should be allowed to have them with. I don't want the fakers of the world to ruin it for everyone else.

On a side note - my puppy is obsessed with going for walks, and we've been really nervous about her paws because we live in FL and she thinks booties are something to be chewed off. I didn't realize there was a balm, so this thread taught me something helpful - thx.

 

[wilkeliza]

I know someone who bought a vest for their dog just so they could bring it with them everywhere because they think the dog is too lonely to left alone and it pooped in the house the first time they left it. That bothers me, but what are you going to do? There are soo many legit reasons that people can have service dogs and they should be allowed to have them with. I don't want the fakers of the world to ruin it for everyone else.

On a side note - my puppy is obsessed with going for walks, and we've been really nervous about her paws because we live in FL and she thinks booties are something to be chewed off. I didn't realize there was a balm, so this thread taught me something helpful - thx.

I believe the balm is mushers secret. Also in the heat you can just put your hand to the ground. If it feels hot to you it is probably hot to your pooch. You can also keep them in grass if it is super hot as it won't burn like sand or concrete.

 

[mistysue]

The trend to abuse this really angers me. DS is very allergic to dogs. We have had to leave stores and even two restaurants at Disney because people with dogs were sat near us. He gets asthma and his face swells up, which is additionally terrifying because of his food allergies. Once we were waiting on our food when a dog was sat nearby. They will not move a party with a dog so we had to go wait outside.
It's a frustrating situation all around and I would be very mad to learn it happened for a false service animal, but with how much more common it is becoming I'm always left wondering. As a person with dog allergies he has no rights vs a dog legally allowed anywhere.

 

[wgeo]

I believe the balm is mushers secret. Also in the heat you can just put your hand to the ground. If it feels hot to you it is probably hot to your pooch. You can also keep them in grass if it is super hot as it won't burn like sand or concrete.

Yeah we do try to make her walk on the grass, but recently we've had to skip a huge number of walks because even at 9 at night the road is too hot for her paws. I'd love to get her out more often - and so would she! I get her out in the AM before the sun rises but she needs/wants more then one walk a day. I'll try the mushers secret and see if it helps.

sorry to go off topic

 

[keishashadow]

There is always a chance that a service dog could have been in the room at some point. If you are extremely allergic you can ask at check in and ask for a deep clean.

Why should i, highly allergic, have to ask? It should be done automatically.

IMO, if they are going to allow animals for any reason in Guest rooms, they need to set aside a wing or floor or building for them.

Loews prides themselves on loving kids & pets. Run of the mill pets, not specifically service animals. At Universal they are relegated to specific floors/towers where there are the same types of rooms that are available throughout the property. I'd like to think those with service animals would be considerate and be willing to take a room there. Maybe not.

Will say during the storm last October I never saw so many dogs in all my life as i did at the RPH. All were very well behaved and hanging out in the lobby/common areas with their owners; many of whom were locals/daytona area who were sheltering from the storm. However, i had to keep my distance to avoid triggering my allergies. I understood their situation completely and adapted. What else can you do in that sort of situation?

 

[IrishNYC]

I'm fine with alternative solutions, but I don't see how Disney or Joe's Supermarket can verify this without having a master list of trainers. And again, if we are talking about fakers then it would be easy for them to falsify a trainer on their documents just like it is to print "Service Dog" on certificates and vests so we go back to the same issue we are talking about now. This is the same reason why ECV's are/were a hot button topic when abuse threads popped up on these forums, because all the hand wringing usually boils down to prove your disability or we will automatically assume it's your house pet.

Places of business wouldn't need a list of trainers. IMO service animals should be issued a license just like a drivers license. Sure they can be forged, but not so easily anymore.

Yep, this came up in another thread. Not only is there no certification, but the ADA actually declares it illegal to require one....

Q7. What questions can a covered entity's employees ask to determine if a dog is a service animal?
A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person's disability.​

As society trends towards more fakes the ADA may find it in their best interest to have some kind of verification system. I know they want it so that everything is the same for everyone, but it's just not practical in every situation, and this is something that will cut down on the kind of discrimination by association that we're seeing right here in this thread.

Why should i, highly allergic, have to ask? It should be done automatically.



Loews prides themselves on loving kids & pets. Run of the mill pets, not specifically service animals. At Universal they are relegated to specific floors/towers where there are the same types of rooms that are available throughout the property. I'd like to think those with service animals would be considerate and be willing to take a room there. Maybe not.

Will say during the storm last October I never saw so many dogs in all my life as i did at the RPH. All were very well behaved and hanging out in the lobby/common areas with their owners; many of whom were locals/daytona area who were sheltering from the storm. However, i had to keep my distance to avoid triggering my allergies. I understood their situation completely and adapted. What else can you do in that sort of situation?

As someone else said, relegating someone with a handicap is illegal and discriminatory. You cannot say "all people that require a service dog must stay in Tower A." There's nothing to be considerate about. Now if we're talking emotional support animals that aren't covered by the ADA, requiring them to stay in a particular area would be fine. But then we're back to the whole "how do we know if it's a service dog or an ESA if we have no regulatory system in place?"

 

[keishashadow]

As someone else said, relegating someone with a handicap is illegal and discriminatory. You cannot say "all people that require a service dog must stay in Tower A." There's nothing to be considerate about. Now if we're talking emotional support animals that aren't covered by the ADA, requiring them to stay in a particular area would be fine. But then we're back to the whole "how do we know if it's a service dog or an ESA if we have no regulatory system in place?"

I am not a lawyer

I have people in my familly/travel party with disabilities, some of which can be invisible to the eye.

I will most assuredly state: there is always room for compassion & consideration for each other's needs.

I'm not talking about enforced booking into that section of the resort. However, IMO, it sure would be a nice consideration from the service dog's owner towards others with severe allergies to select those allocated rooms if they are in the same category (view, # of beds, ADA compliance etc) that they are paying to book. Others may feel differently.

I'd also think a person with a service dog would want to be in the tower nearest the dog relief yard for their own convenience.

 

[North of Mouse]

Yes, under federal law, only dogs and miniature ponies are defined as service animals. I've heard claims of people with service monkeys, but those aren't legitimate.

Nope, only dogs and ponies qualify as service animals under federal law.

Can you just imagine having a pony living in your house??
This just cracks me up!

Will planes and trains have to accommodate them too?

 

[Jennasis]

Just remember pony folks, ponies aren't allowed by the ADA, miniature horses are. Miniature horses are usually smaller than 38 inches at the withers. In my experience, they also don't have quite as much pony attitude.

In my experience, the minis are turds too LOL...maybe even bigger turds. However, i've found them to be smarter than the ponies. That's the problem. They're smarter than most people LOL. Too smart.

 

[JerseyJanice]

Why should i, highly allergic, have to ask? It should be done automatically.

IOW, any time an animal has stayed in a room, a hypoallergenic cleaning must be done afterward to ensure that the next guest doesn't have an allergy attack.

 

[porschegrl]

Can you just imagine having a pony living in your house??
This just cracks me up!

Will planes and trains have to accommodate them too?

Google photos of miniature horses and then tell me you don't want one.

And if you don't, I'll take yours

 

[JerseyJanice]

Can you just imagine having a pony living in your house??
This just cracks me up!

Will planes and trains have to accommodate them too?

Get with the program, NoM. The service equines are not ponies; they are miniature horses.

Apparently, ponies have too much pony-tude to become effective service animals.

 

[wilkeliza]

Why should i, highly allergic, have to ask? It should be done automatically.



Loews prides themselves on loving kids & pets. Run of the mill pets, not specifically service animals. At Universal they are relegated to specific floors/towers where there are the same types of rooms that are available throughout the property. I'd like to think those with service animals would be considerate and be willing to take a room there. Maybe not.

Will say during the storm last October I never saw so many dogs in all my life as i did at the RPH. All were very well behaved and hanging out in the lobby/common areas with their owners; many of whom were locals/daytona area who were sheltering from the storm. However, i had to keep my distance to avoid triggering my allergies. I understood their situation completely and adapted. What else can you do in that sort of situation?

I suggest asking because there is no way to really know the next person will be thst extremely allergic. Also just because there wasn't a dog in I know my bag and clothing all end up having dog hair on it from my two bo matter how hard I try and Disney would have no clue that is the case. Always best to ask and have it done than assume and suffer.

 

[maltdizzy]

As society trends towards more fakes the ADA may find it in their best interest to have some kind of verification system.

I wouldn't be opposed to it but I doubt there is enough reason to bother. "The ADA" is the Americans with Disabilities Act, a law and not a governement agency. It is enforced by the Dept. of Justice Civil Rights Division, but is only amended by action by congress. I can only remember one major amendment in 27 years and that to respond to a Supreme Court decision. I just don't see people being inconvienced at theme parks as much of a catalyst.

And I'll add...I've never understood the small horse category of service animal.

 

[wilkeliza]

"The ADA" is the Americans with Disabilities Act, a law and not a governement agency. It is enforced by the Dept. of Justice Civil Rights Division, but is only amended by action by congress. I can only remember one major amendment in 27 years and that to respond to a Supreme Court decision. I just don't see people being inconvienced at theme parks as much of a catalyst.

And I'll add...I've never understood the small horse category of service animal.

They review the ADA like once every 10ish years or more if needed. Last update for service animals was 2012 I believe.

I've heard small horses are good for those will balance issues on top of other issues as a horse can help support weight better than a dog. I have never met a service horse and know they are pretty rare but they were successfully able to show congress why a horse is okay and either equal or better than a dog or they would have been nixed in the 2011 update.

 

[North of Mouse]

Get with the program, NoM. The service equines are not ponies; they are miniature horses.

Apparently, ponies have too much pony-tude to become effective service animals.

Ok, I get it - actually meant miniature horses, was thinking of ponies and that's what I typed!

In all seriousness though, for an animal to be a service animal, they should be with the person they're serving at all times, to be effective, right? No matter how good they are, seems a very poor choice to me, unless they are in the house! If they're in stores and MK, where would they 'not' be??

 

[JerseyJanice]

Ok, I get it - actually meant miniature horses, was thinking of ponies and that's what I typed!

In all seriousness though, for an animal to be a service animal, they should be with the person they're serving at all times, to be effective, right? No matter how good they are, seems a very poor choice to me, unless they are in the house! If they're in stores and MK, where would they 'not' be??

IDK. They're workers though so I guess they're entitled to vacations.

 

[IrishNYC]

I wouldn't be opposed to it but I doubt there is enough reason to bother. "The ADA" is the Americans with Disabilities Act, a law and not a governement agency. It is enforced by the Dept. of Justice Civil Rights Division, but is only amended by action by congress. I can only remember one major amendment in 27 years and that to respond to a Supreme Court decision. I just don't see people being inconvienced at theme parks as much of a catalyst.

And I'll add...I've never understood the small horse category of service animal.

I'm not only speaking of theme parks, I'm talking that in general, it may benefit the ADA to require a verification system to be put in place for animals covered by the ADA. Hotels, workplace, etc. It would cut down on the abuse seen everywhere. Like this support squirrel https://i.redd.it/6w8gfdgpuw1z.jpg