Lost - Season Six (Spoilers Welcome)

[goofy's friends]

What do you all think about Sawyer's storyline now? Boy, I was in tears watching him last night. What acting! You could really believe his grief, starting with his comment in the temple about why the torturer (Sayid) is alive while Juliet is dead. And the scene on the dock with Kate. Kate really ticked me off - I think she FINALLY realized that Sawyer was lost to her. She prob. kept thinking that she'd find Sawyer, bat her eyelashes and he'd do whatever she asked. But when she saw how grief-stricken he was over Juliet, she realized that Sawyer was truly in love with Juliet and she (Kate) didn't stand a chance.

I think once Sawyer works thru his grief, he's going to be the knight in shining armor who comes in and saves them all. Maybe he'll meet up with Jin somewhere in the jungle, they'll find Sun and team up with Frank and those guys.

and I've been leaning toward this, but last night really pushed me over the edge: Jack is pathetic. He's supposed to be the "leader" but he's just a screw-up.

I agree with all of this!! He really set it straight with Kate when she said she was sorry she followed him and he said "which time?"--it was like "leave me alone already!"

I hope you're right about Sawyer saving the day--that would make the show to me!!

Jack didn't swallow the pill--it ended up on the floor, remember?

 

[Robinrs]

I don't think Jack swallowed the poison. I think he emptied it, then just swallowed the capsule. I also think it's possible that he may use that to poison someone else as he pretends to get weaker and weaker, all the while, planning an escape for himself, Hurley, Sayid, and Miles (and anyone else I can't remember at the moment).

EDIT: BTW, I understand Sawyer's pain, but it's really so hard to buy into. It happened technically in too short a period of time for fans to really wrap their brains around how deep a love it might have been. I just find it a hard sell and while I don't like seeing Sawyer in that type of pain, I can't really believe it's that deep. Then again, I never liked Juliet anyway.

I so agree with this. They're using the ring and her death to try to convince us but yuk, I never saw him as a typical husband. I like him as the rebel, though, so if they have to give us motivation, this works.

I NEVER liked Juliet, either

 

[Amy]

Sawyer/Juliet - I didn't like Juliet at first, but she grew on me. As for their romance, don't forget that Sawyer and Juliet were living in Dharmaville for 3 years, MUCH longer than he and Kate were together after 815 crashed. That was plenty of time for them to build up some love between them. The whole Sawyer/Kate thing was just lust, not love.

 

[DisGirlAllie]

I'm confused. Why do you all hate Juliet so much? She's one of my favorites!

 

[goofy's friends]

I'm confused. Why do you all hate Juliet so much? She's one of my favorites!

me too! I thought she and Sawyer were great together!

 

[bubie2.5]

I'm confused. Why do you all hate Juliet so much? She's one of my favorites!

I can't say I hated her, I just didn't liked her, but I really don't know why. Now that she's gone I'm liking her more.

 

[Amy]

The lightbulb finally went off in my head while I was in the shower this morning. Tell me what you think of this:

When Jacob visited the Losties in their pasts and he touched them, Jacob transferred some of his power to each of them, thus "splitting" his power. (Think about Harry Potter, and how Voldemort split himself into 7 horcruxes.)

Thus, the LIST. A list of people who (unknown to them) carry some of Jacob's power. That's why when Sawyer left the temple, Dogen or Lennon made the comment that Sawyer had to be brought back or they were doomed. ALL of the people who carry some of Jacob's power need to be together to fight off Smokey/Black Shirt.

Remember back in Season 2 when Ben and the others gave Michael a list and told him to bring the people on that list and ONLY the people on the list? Hurley went, too, but the Others sent Hurley back to the beach. Well, Hurley wasn't on the list yet because Jacob didn't touch/transfer power to Hurley until the day before the Ajira flight.

Also, remember that Ben has never seen Jacob. What if all along, Ben thinks that he's following Jacob's orders, but it's really been Smokey/Black Shirt pretending to be Jacob? I still think Jacob is good, but Smokey/Black Shirt is doing whatever he can to kill Jacob and win the "war" (or whatever they're on opposite sides of). For all we know, Smokey/Black Shirt has been taking Jacob's form for years, and even fooling Richard into thinking that he's following Jacob's orders!

And that's probably why Dogen and Lennon kept asking Jack how Sayid was shot - maybe if you're killed by Smokey/Black Shirt, then that piece of Jacob's power dies with you (or goes to Smokey/Black Shirt, thus making him more powerful), but if you're killed by an accident or something, then that piece of Jacob's power stays with your dead body? That might explain why Ilana was carting Locke's body through the jungle. Not only to show Richard that Locke was dead, but because some of Jacob's power is still in Locke's body? (This would presume that when Ben killed Locke, Ben believed he was following Jacob's orders.)

What do you all think?

 

[ICF]

What do you all think?

That is an interesting thought.....There was clearly some signficance to him touching them (so it would seem).

 

[Amy]

Some more thoughts on Smokey/Black Shirt pretending to be Jacob:

Jacob seemed to be a "hands off" guy - let the humans make their own decisions and hopefully learn from them. Even before Ben killed him, Jacob told Ben that he didn't have to do what Locke was telling him to do, that he (Ben) could stop.

Maybe all along, when Richard and the Others thought they were following Jacob's orders, maybe they were really following Smokey/Black Shirt?

 

[paintnolish]

Amy- Does sound interesting but don't listen to me- I've got them playing wizard's chess, too!

 

[BigDogHU75]

Amy - I like your theory.

Goofy's friends - I agree with what you remember. I thought the pill that Kack tried to swallow ended up on the floor.

What are people's theory about Claire being poisoned? Is she evil now?

 

[gometros]

Jack didn't swallow the pill--it ended up on the floor, remember?

Technically, he did swallow it. It just came back up after the Heimlich was applied by the Japanese guy.

 

[palmtreegirl]

Juliet was one of my favorite characters and I really loved Juliet and Sawyer. Not a Kate fan, wouldn't mind her being killed off.

So far I'm really disappointed with this season, I love this show, I hope it gets better asap.

 

[DisGirlAllie]

me too! I thought she and Sawyer were great together!

I loved them. I could definitely buy into them being in love.

I can't say I hated her, I just didn't liked her, but I really don't know why. Now that she's gone I'm liking her more.

Yeah. Same thing happened with me in Harry Potter. Sirius was ok, funny, but didn't really pay much attention to him and then he was gone and I missed him like crazy

The lightbulb finally went off in my head while I was in the shower this morning. Tell me what you think of this:

When Jacob visited the Losties in their pasts and he touched them, Jacob transferred some of his power to each of them, thus "splitting" his power. (Think about Harry Potter, and how Voldemort split himself into 7 horcruxes.)

Thus, the LIST. A list of people who (unknown to them) carry some of Jacob's power. That's why when Sawyer left the temple, Dogen or Lennon made the comment that Sawyer had to be brought back or they were doomed. ALL of the people who carry some of Jacob's power need to be together to fight off Smokey/Black Shirt.

Remember back in Season 2 when Ben and the others gave Michael a list and told him to bring the people on that list and ONLY the people on the list? Hurley went, too, but the Others sent Hurley back to the beach. Well, Hurley wasn't on the list yet because Jacob didn't touch/transfer power to Hurley until the day before the Ajira flight.

Also, remember that Ben has never seen Jacob. What if all along, Ben thinks that he's following Jacob's orders, but it's really been Smokey/Black Shirt pretending to be Jacob? I still think Jacob is good, but Smokey/Black Shirt is doing whatever he can to kill Jacob and win the "war" (or whatever they're on opposite sides of). For all we know, Smokey/Black Shirt has been taking Jacob's form for years, and even fooling Richard into thinking that he's following Jacob's orders!

And that's probably why Dogen and Lennon kept asking Jack how Sayid was shot - maybe if you're killed by Smokey/Black Shirt, then that piece of Jacob's power dies with you (or goes to Smokey/Black Shirt, thus making him more powerful), but if you're killed by an accident or something, then that piece of Jacob's power stays with your dead body? That might explain why Ilana was carting Locke's body through the jungle. Not only to show Richard that Locke was dead, but because some of Jacob's power is still in Locke's body? (This would presume that when Ben killed Locke, Ben believed he was following Jacob's orders.)

What do you all think?

By George I think you've got it!

Juliet was one of my favorite characters and I really loved Juliet and Sawyer. Not a Kate fan, wouldn't mind her being killed off.

So far I'm really disappointed with this season, I love this show, I hope it gets better asap.

I second the Kate notion.

 

[DisneyMissy318]

This post was LOST all the way on Page 11 - bumping for your thoughts on last night's episode...

A few observations - I guess Kate finally took the hint. I can't believe she wasn't sitting on Sawyers porch waiting for him to finish his bottle of whiskey.

Poor Richard - he has always had a very calming presence - never one to raise his voice - now he is seriously freaked out by Flocke!

I'm wondering about the blonde headed kid in the jungle - who Richard couldn't see, but Sawyer did... hmmm...

The cliff cave - the scale with a balance between black & white - dark & light - good & evil? Then Flocke unbalances the scale...

 

[goofy's friends]

I think the scale was good vs. evil and Flocke threw good in the ocean to signify that he's won. Why wasn't Kate's name on the wall?

 

[Amy]

Ok, I'm at work, so I don't have time to re-type things right now. Here's what I posted on the "NO Spoilers" thread:

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Originally Posted by N.Bailey
I've been so busy that when I looked at the clock, I downright started freaking out that I'd missed tonight's episode (even though I am recording it and could probably find it online afterward). I am SUPER eager to see it tonight. This is the show the producers were speaking of when they said that Losties would become even more obnoxious after seeing. One place in Chicago even opened some sort of hall up so people could escape living with their Lostie family members for a bit.

I don't know about everybody else, but I was underwhelmed at last night's episode. Yes, we see each of their names linked to a number (except for Kate) and written on the ceiling of a cave. But what else did we learn? Richard is really freaked out now that he knows who "Locke" really is.

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Originally Posted by N.Bailey
I don't think anyone can make sense of this with the little we know at this point. Here is what we know though.

Locke was 4
Hurley was 8
Sawyer was 15
Sayid was 16
Jack was 23
Jin or Sun (or both) was 42

If 42 is indeed Jin, that would make them all male. I tend to think Jin and Sun are viewed as 1 entity because they were touched at the exact same time and it wasn't till after getting married. Another interesting thing to note is, Kate and Sawyer were the only ones touched as children. Would that make Jin and Sun, Adam and Eve? Would it mean that Sawyer and Kate are destined to be together? Who knows!

We didn't see Kate's name last night (although there were so many things written and scratched out on that cave ceiling), but I guess 32 is the only number missing, so that's Kate? She's the only one Jacob touched who isn't linked to a number.

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I loved Ben last night!! So funny, seeing him as a whiny teacher.

Love the fact that Locke and Helen were still together, and getting married. She said something about inviting his dad though, so I guess in the paralled daddy dearest didn't try to kill Locke by shoving him out a window? Do, I wonder what happened to him? Maybe Jack really can help him?

Yep, I noticed that Helen suggested inviting Locke's dad to their wedding. Apparently, Locke's paralysis was caused by something else. Unfortunately, since Helen tore up Jack's busienss card, looks like they won't be seeking Jack's help.

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Originally Posted by GoodFairies
So the statement "we are seeing what would have happened if the plane never crashed" isn't entirely accurate because the some of the events prior to boarding the plane are different. I am confused about why the alternate timeline is so, um, alternate. I thought that when the bomb went off it was supposed to simply stop the plane from crashing 27 years later.

Nope, the bomb changed the past for everybody from that date in 1977 all the way to the present. That's why Ben is now a teacher in the alternate timeline - at some point he left the island and is living a "normal" (for all we know) life.

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Originally Posted by paintnolish
Thoughts on little boy in the woods? Dh thinks it was somehow/ some form of JAcob. Also, the little boy said, "You can't kill him." Did he mean Sawyer? Or did he mean Jacob, as in although you killed the body he inhabited, Jacob is still "alive."

And it was strange that Richard couldn't see the little boy but Sawyer and Locke/MIB could. Wonder what that's about?
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[Amy]

More of what I posted on the other thread:

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Originally Posted by paintnolish
Thoughts on little boy in the woods? Dh thinks it was somehow/ some form of JAcob. Also, the little boy said, "You can't kill him." Did he mean Sawyer? Or did he mean Jacob, as in although you killed the body he inhabited, Jacob is still "alive."

Oh, I had another thought about this. Know how MIB told Jacob how much he wanted to kill him and that he would find a loophole? Since he got Ben to kill Jacob, he thinks he found the loophole and that Jacob is now dead.

BUT remember my theory I posted last Thurs/Fri: when Jacob touched each of the Losties, he passed along some of his power. Thus, Jacob's power (all? some? we don't know how much) is now spread among the people he touched - Jack, Sayid, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sun and Jin, Locke. (That's why I think it's so important that they all be together in the temple - to harness Jacob's power to defeat MIB.)

So maybe when the little boy said "you can't kill him" - he meant both Sawyer and Jacob. He can't kill Sawyer because part of Jacob "lives" in Sawyer.

And before someone says something about Locke being dead even though Jacob gave him some of his power, BEN is the one who killed Locke, not MIB. Now, what happened to the part of Jacob's power that he transferred to Locke, I have no idea. Hopefully (if my theory is correct) we'll learn that as the season progresses.

**And since I'm not only a fan of Disney but also Universal/Islands of Adventure, I think it's cool that we can refer to the the guy in the black shirt as "MIB" - also the acronym of my favorite ride at USF - Men In Black.
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[ICF]

We didn't see Kate's name last night (although there were so many things written and scratched out on that cave ceiling), but I guess 32 is the only number missing, so that's Kate? She's the only one Jacob touched who isn't linked to a number.

Missing from what? The "numbers" are 4 - 8 - 15 - 16 - 23 - 42....there isnt a 32 that is imprortant as far as I know.

Yep, I noticed that Helen suggested inviting Locke's dad to their wedding. Apparently, Locke's paralysis was caused by something else. Unfortunately, since Helen tore up Jack's busienss card, looks like they won't be seeking Jack's help.

It's lost, they still might run (or roll in Locke's case) into each other...besides, I think Google was around in 2004 so it shouldn't be too hard to find the number of a spinal surgen in LA named Jack Shepard.

Nope, the bomb changed the past for everybody from that date in 1977 all the way to the present. That's why Ben is now a teacher in the alternate timeline - at some point he left the island and is living a "normal" (for all we know) life.

This part bugged me, but this whole alt reality thing is a bit confusing for the non-815ers. Shouldn't Ben have been on the island when it sank after the bomb went of??. It would have changed the 'future' for those not on the island in 1977 since the plane never would have crashed in 2004 and some wouldn't have went back in 2007. However, if you were on the island in the original 1977 (as Ben was with the othesr) how did he get off island and become a school teacher in 2004 (and what school really has a European History teacher for that age level??) I can accept Eathen being a Dr in 2004, since he (in theory) was evactuated with the woman / children on the sub in '77....same with Charlotte Staples Lewis (who is supposed to show up at somepoint this season also) and Miles (who we havent yet seen in the new 2004).

 

[MouseMomx2]

I read a post on another website that said Kate's name was there and not crossed out. It was #108, which is the total of all of the other numbers. I haven't had a chance to go back and watch the episode again so I haven't seen it for myself. I'll definitely be going through those scenes in slo-mo when I do re-watch the episode.