LOST - Last Season (NO SPOILERS)

[Experiment_626]

Then Ben goes and kills the whole Darma campground ... doesn't that sound like something MIB would do ... not Jacob who is curious about people ... and is trying to find a "replacement".

During the Purge, Ben killed Roger. The Others killed the rest of the Dharma folks. It was at that point, I believe, that Ben fully joined The Others.

I could believe that Jacob might have ordered the Purge, reluctantly. We saw Mother kill the other people on the island in "Across the Sea" because they were getting too close to The Source, which she was there to protect. With some of the things Dharma was doing, they were getting even closer. If Jacob felt it was necessary to protect The Source, which he believes to be critical to the continued existence of the world -- or something similarly important -- perhaps he felt The Purge was the lesser of two evils.

On the other hand, at the time of The Purge, The Others were being led by Widmore, as best we can determine. Widmore claims to have spoken to Jacob, but we have no way of knowing if that's true -- he could have been given the silent treatment as Ben was and made decisions on his own that he attributed to Jacob, or he could have been mislead by MiB posing as Jacob.

Ben isn't really working for Lockeness. As I mentioned earlier, he had promised Ben the island, and I don't think Ben really intended to help him even that point. But at the end of the episode, he tells Ben he plans to destroy the island. Why would Ben do his bidding for a prize that wouldn't exist if their efforts succeed?

 

[WDWRocksMySocks]

I disagree with you, but I know many people agree with your take on this season. Lost is like any good story, there is a main plot and then lots of things happen around that plot that don't always jump out at you as being part of the main story. They are moments of creating good characters or filling time in TV land. I think they've waited on the MiB/Jacob stuff, because while their story is the islands story, it's not totally the story of the characters we've grown to love. The island has influenced everything, but the show is about the characters and how they've grown and the choices they have made. In some ways Jacob and MiB don't matter, we only really care what happens to the Losties.

I have more to say but I have to go! Tomorrow!

I feel like they've had such a strong focus on other facets of the show, and now most of those things seem obsolete. There are still so many questions and it feels as though they are just cramming too much into a small time frame at the end of the season. I think they could've done a better job with the writing of the earlier episodes this season. I felt that most of those "filler" episodes really didn't provide any substantial answers to the questions we've all had for years. It's become far too convoluted.

There is still two and a half hours to go. You might be jumping the gun.

There are SO many other things that need to be tied up, I don't see how they're going to address it all in just 2.5 hours. I hope, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm just bummed that there seem to be a lot of things that have been left open that I wish were addressed already.

 

[brerrabbit]

I posted my thoughts about this on the spoiler thread but in reality it's not really a spoiler. If you are anticipating answers to all your questions, you will be sorely disappointed. From the outset Damon and Carlton have said this is a story about the characters. They have defined the characters as really the candidates. That is six or seven people. All that is left at this point is Kate, Jack, Sawyer and Hurley. The end will probably reflect on them and how there story ends. We will get some aha moments where other characters introduced later show up but for the most part I see it revolving around them. Even the idea of the island and its power and it's need to be protected is only important because the reason they were brought to it to begin with is because they were all flawed. Many of the other answers really will be answered only through your own thought process. I think many of the answers have been shown I just missed them as I went. In this process the disturbing part is if you figure out an answer you will not be given confirmation by the writers or producers. I know that sounds strange but let me give you an example based on earlier comments.

The Dharma purge was conceived by Richard and aided by Ben. Why were all those people killed? My answer is that since the powers of the island, embedded in the water that flows down the tunnel where the light is has the healing powers of the light. Ben is shot as a kid and taken to the temple. Richard agrees to do it but says it will change him forever. The change? He is indebted to the island and understands the reason it must be protected, even if it means killing people. As he grows older and sees what Dharma is doing in the way of experiments and as his relationship with Richard continues (remembering Richard works for Jacob and therefore is a protector of the light) he knows he must stop the outsiders (Dharma) from discovering the source (the light) just as the Mother stops her son (MIB) all those years ago. So in my mind the Dharma Purge question is answered but I will receive no confirmation if I am right or wrong from the show. There are thousands of these questions that they will not address, why was Libby in the mental hospital? What happened to the kids on the plane? What was room 23? Some you can reason out yourself, some we will never know.

 

[Experiment_626]

If you are anticipating answers to all your questions, you will be sorely disappointed.

[SNIP]

Many of the other answers really will be answered only through your own thought process.

[SNIP]

Some you can reason out yourself, some we will never know.

I agree. I expect that the show will be like a giant jigsaw puzzle. The most critical parts -- and some that aren't quite so critical -- will be assembled for us naturally, within the context of the narrative. Some of these we've already seen, and some we'll get this Sunday. All I ask -- and I think the show will provide this, and has been doing so -- is that for pretty much everything else, we'll be given all the pieces to the rest of the puzzle. With some effort on our part, we'll be able to put the rest of it together ourselves. We've all pretty much been working at that as the show has aired, trying to fit each revealed piece (episode) into the overall picture. Indeed, that has been a large part of the fun of watching the show. We'll still be doing that after this Sunday, but we'll finally have all the pieces.

All our collective concerns about the seemingly interminable hiatus periods, the eternal wait for the answer to a given question, even the endless repeats we endured in the early seasons of the show and the relentless pleas that they "just get on with it" -- all of that will fade away soon. We'll have what what we're going to get soon enough, but the participatory viewing experience doesn't have to end. I believe we'll be able to come to a certain level of satisfaction in solving some of these mysteries for ourselves, either together (some podcasts are going to go through the entire series again once the complete box set is released) or alone.

Personally, I like the idea that Lost will likely never be completely closed to our minds. It will remain an intriguing artifact, one we can take down and examine afresh whenever we like, knowing there are things left in it to explore. We can make our own answers with varying degrees of certainty in their correctness, and we can always come back and change our minds on those answers if we like. As with Disneyland (and Walt Disney World), Lost will never truly be completed. It will be a work in progress, always growing closer to a state of full enlightenment as to what it all means and what exactly happened, "as long as there is imagination left in the world."

 

[brerrabbit]

Also makes for a great DVD market. People can be introduced to Lost years into the future.

 

[DisneyFan32WI]

You also need to remember that while there is still a 2.5 hour finale, that doesn't include the hour of commercials.....ughh!!!

 

[Experiment_626]

You also need to remember that while there is still a 2.5 hour finale, that doesn't include the hour of commercials.....ughh!!!

Well, that's the price of network television. We usually start watching each episode about 20 minutes after it begins, so we can speed through the commercials on the DVR. However, because we're having friends over too watch the finale, we'll start it on time. In this case, I'm looking forward to the ads, believe it or not -- they'll give us a chance to talk about what is going on in the episode.

You could wait for the DVD/Blu-ray release and skip the ads entirely, I suppose. And we're still talking about an episode that should have around 100 minutes of story, versus the 42 minutes or so we usually get.

 

[N.Bailey]

It is SOOO hard to believe that in less than 48 hours, we'll know all we're going to. It's really coming down to the wire. and at the same time.

My thoughts as of late. I believe the fake mother was totally evil. I think she favored the MIB because she viewed him as the person who would take over for her one day (and I've reconciled that MOM was Smokey though I still can't get passed the issue of her remains still being there). Jacob was draped in white. They wanted us to be clear that he was good. The real mother had named him. She didn't give the MIB a name.

Mom favored the MIB because she wanted him to assume her role.

I'm sure there is a reason why this won't technically hold up, but there is bound to be a shocker that we're unprepared for come finale.

There is something super significant on its way.

 

[bicker]

Some of us will be watching it Monday night.

 

[PixieDust32]

What if the Mom was smoke too? How did she killed all those people and burned the village? Also Jacob told them that he brought them there because their lives were not perfect, but if the fix it now in the other life then it would change their lives.

 

[skater]

You also need to remember that while there is still a 2.5 hour finale, that doesn't include the hour of commercials.....ughh!!!

Lost is the only show I watch on this network and it has more commercials than any other show I've seen. I have pledged to never get interested in another one on that particular network .

 

[Katie Dawn]

Help!!! I realized at 8:55 last night (with 5 minutes left of the show) that I had missed the 2 hour pilot. I heard it was going to have the "pop ups" at the bottom of the screen.

So my question: Did we get any new information from the "pop ups?" Or was it just pretty much reviewing/reminding us about what we already knew?

If there were any revelations last night I would love to hear about them!

Thanks!

 

[Magic Mom]

From what I could tell, it was just reviewing what we already know. No new information. But it was fun to watch, there were some little things that I noticed as significant this time around. Like Locke playing backgammon on the beach and showing Walt the white and the black playing pieces.

 

[2cats1kid]

And there were echoes of the backgammon in the game that MIB-as-a-boy was playing with Jacob in the "mother" episode.

 

[Hidden_Mickey]

And there were echoes of the backgammon in the game that MIB-as-a-boy was playing with Jacob in the "mother" episode.

Was that a real ancient greek or hebrew game the kids were playing or was it just made up for the show?

Rollingstone.com is doing a live blog/chat during the finale. I think I just want to watch the show without looking at the laptop also.

We didn't watch the pilot last night; we will start watching it at 7:00 tonight, then catch up by blowing through the commercials.

 

[marybet]

Help!!! I realized at 8:55 last night (with 5 minutes left of the show) that I had missed the 2 hour pilot. I heard it was going to have the "pop ups" at the bottom of the screen.

So my question: Did we get any new information from the "pop ups?" Or was it just pretty much reviewing/reminding us about what we already knew?

If there were any revelations last night I would love to hear about them!

Thanks!

It said that Jacob had been on the island for over 2000 years as learned in the last episode. I sure don't remember them saying that, maybe I missed it. Does anyone else remember that?

 

[robinb]

My husband and I had our own little Lost marathon last night and we caught up with all the rest of the May episodes last night.

Are we sure that MIB can't still take on the forms of other people? I ask because only Hurley could see and talk to dead people but Jacob could be seen and heard by everyone. Could the Jacob at the fire really be the MIB?

ETA: I was thinking about having a mini Lost Finale party tonight (just my DH and I) so I googled "Lost finale party" and found this:
http://maxpictures.com/weblog/2007/04/10/lost-labels-for-your-dharma-initiative-needs/

Downloadable DHARMA Initiative labels!

 

[PixieDust32]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/simon-tolkien/lost-without-ilosti_b_581885.html

 

[PixieDust32]

I think Hugo is the 'one' and not Jack.

 

[Good Ol Gal]

My husband and I had our own little Lost marathon last night and we caught up with all the rest of the May episodes last night.

Are we sure that MIB can't still take on the forms of other people? I ask because only Hurley could see and talk to dead people but Jacob could be seen and heard by everyone. Could the Jacob at the fire really be the MIB?

ETA: I was thinking about having a mini Lost Finale party tonight (just my DH and I) so I googled "Lost finale party" and found this:
http://maxpictures.com/weblog/2007/04/10/lost-labels-for-your-dharma-initiative-needs/

Downloadable DHARMA Initiative labels!

a good friend of mine did that for the season premier this year:

we're going to party like it's 1977