LOST.Discuss the current episodes SEASON PREMIERE Wednesday!!!!

[Poohbear123]

I think maybe the Korean Woman is his Daughter? Wanted her to keep her blouse buttoned. Also, I thought too, he was trying to kill off, or make people sick with the Sea Urchin he tried to feed them. I was surprised the Pregnant Woman ate it! Sushi is a NO NO when you are preggars for sure! But, than, the baby MOVED!

 

[Annie&Hallie'sMom]

Ok, I love this show and I wish it were on later since Wednesday night I don't get home from choir until after 9 (thank God for Tivo).

Last night had WAY too many commercials though (5 minutes into it and there's a commericial? Come on!).

From what I heard (don't ask me where), there are about 50 Survivors; people will die and characters from the background will emerge. I mean with some many people (all of which seem to have "oddness" around them) each character could be their own story...They could actually focus on one character per episode in the same time frame (like one character on the beach during a period of time; the next week a character who goes into the forest). There is just so much going on. And people are definitely not what they seem (I thought Kate might be a cop...how off was I on that).

Definitely freaky with the flashbacks. After last night, we now know why the guy was running to the bathroom and who the handcuffs belong to. But who is really trustworthy? The middle Eastern guy? Is he really a "good" guy like he seems or is the guy who seems like a total jerk right? The Korean couple -- he's nasty to her, but seems to be trying to help feed the people. Or is he? What about the pregnant lady? Will she have the baby? Will she survive having the baby? We haven't really gotten to know the father/son other than the mother died recently and they were coming back from Australia with the dog. What's up with the man with the bacgammon game? Will the guy with shrapnel in him survive? (do we want him to?). And then there's that eerie signal that's been transmitting for 16 years???

I am wierded out by all of it...but I'll keep watching.

 

[Claudia1]

Yeah, really strange about the pregnant lady eating the "sushI" but then it is also really strange that she was on a plane when she is obviously sooooooo close to delivery.

It's TV....... they can do anything they want!

 

[castlegazer]

Did anyone catch in scenes from next week where Rose - the woman in pink sweater set - tells Jack that her husbands not dead? Anyone have thoughts on this?

And on the sushi debate, its not that its "illegal" to eat sushi when your pregnant, its that raw fish is very unadvisable as it may have been mishandled and may contain bacteria due to this -raw anything is very unadvisable. I don't think she is going to have the option of following this little rule.

 

[MeanLaureen]

Originally posted by Fantasmic303


Anyways, we were chatting, and her theory about the Korean man was that he was offering everyone whatever that was to see if it was good to eat or not. She figured that if he gave it to someone and they were ok, it was safe for him too.

That is exactly what I said to Matthew last night... that he was "testing" out the fish on others to see if they were poisonous or not!!!

 

[katerkat]

Originally posted by Claudia1
Yeah, really strange about the pregnant lady eating the "sushI" but then it is also really strange that she was on a plane when she is obviously sooooooo close to delivery.

She said she was eight months - and my doctor said I can fly up to 36 weeks. She might have been flying to the States to deliver and waited until the last possible moment?

 

[Mary Ellen]

The "Japenese" Couple everyone keeps referring to is actually a Korean couple.

When I watched the first episode I though they were Korean, but when posters here were referring to them as Japaneese, I thought I was off. Glad to know I was right after all. He sure doesn't seem to have the best 'people skills' - slapping the Korean woman's hand rather than just saying 'no'.

POLAR BEARS - What the fudge? South of the equator is a LONG way from the Artic.

 

[deadheadbelle]

I was just reading the chat transcript from "Watch With Kristin" on eonline, she was in Hawaii & interviewed some of the actors so there are (SORTA) some SPOILERS, so don't read if you wanna be completely in the dark

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Let's hear some scoop on the guy who can't speak English (at least on the show)!
Oooh! Yes, actually, that's going to be interesting. It sounds like they both know how to speak English, and eventually they will. His wife (Yunjun) told me: "I get to take off my sweater pretty soon. It's cashmere and ridiculously hot, so that's her first act of defiance." And it sounda like she gets all the more defiant from there.

When I interviewed Daniel Dae Kim and told him his character is naughty--and not in a fun Beyoncé way--he said, "It's only the first episode, and a lot of things will change. What you're seeing now might not be the truth later." I asked if his wife slaps him. "Is my face red?" he said with a laugh. "Because we just shot a couple of scenes like that. She has her day in the sun, believe me."


I think Lost would be a great show without the spooky Sean/Weiss-killing monster--agreed?
Just give it time! Missmoss357, you just guessed the big twist to Kate's character in the second episode...shhh. Yes, her rubbing her wrists together does mean something.


How is Lost going to be able to go on for a whole season with people just stranded on an island? Won't it get boring? Any scoop on upcoming eps?
Oh, trust me, there is so much more than meets the eye. Each character has his or her own twist, which we will see in flashbacks. The one I'm most intrigued by is Terry O'Quinn's character (adore him after meeting him in person--he is a dream), whom, you will find out in the next episode, has "a secret." I asked what the secret was, and he said he couldn't tell me but it's big.

I asked if it's something like a cure for cancer, and he said, "actually, it's in that neighborhood, but I couldn't tell you or my karma would be all screwed up. Let's just say he knows a lot of things, and people aren't exactly sure how he has all this knowledge." Terry also told me he's "the happiest guy there" and that his secret will be revealed in the first few episodes.


More Lost!
Also asked Harold Perrineau about his relationship with his son, saying that when I first saw him in the pilot, I was afraid that he may have kidnapped the boy. Harold said, "That's, wow. That's, I'm not going to say that's not far from the truth. But it could be possible, that's what I'm saying." Frankly, though, what his face was saying is that I guessed it right.

I asked if they'd have to lose weight, since they're stranded, and Harold said, "Well, you'll have to see. Stuff happens. But we are on an island, and we don't have food."


Was the pilot on Lost that guy from Felicity?
Yes, JJ Abrams' good friend Greg Grunberg, who has a new show in the works with JJ starring Grunberg as a bounty hunter, opposite Orlando Jones.


Will Lost ever get guest stars? I don't see how it could, but won't having the same people on the show get old after a while?
Yes, I hear the Harlem Globetrotters are going to wash ashore....LOL!

Did you get any scoop from Dominic Monaghan? Love him.
That makes approximately 3.9 million of us. Here's what he had to say about the monster: "We don't know, we honestly don't' know. We know it's something substantial, we know it's something probably bigger than an elephant. It's clearly in a bad mood with all us guys, we don't know if it's being controlled by someone, if it's controlling itself, if we've done something wrong. One of the theories we've come up with, cause we don't know, is maybe we've stumbled upon it's home, where it's eggs are or where it's food is or something like that. I mean there's a polar bear in the first show as well which just turns up out of the blue--the school of thinking of the cast is maybe the island is so remote that it was used as a research center for some scientific laboratory."

 

[decker96]

I don't know about the Korean guy trying out the fish on others to see if it's poisonous. I think he was really trying to get them to eat it. When he was trying to give it to the pregnant girl he kept pointing to her belly, like the baby needed food. I think the way he treats his wife is just the way that he is, look how he freaked out when the pregnant girl (what the heck is her name?!) wanted him to feel the baby moving. I thought it was like he didn't think that was appropriate, like making his wife keeping her shirt buttoned up.
I was wondering what the Korean woman was trying to tell Kate too? That was weird.
As far as Rose thinking her husband isn't dead, I was wondering if it's just like a feeling she has, you know some people say that they just "know" that someone is okay, even though they have no proof of it.

 

[castlegazer]

OK, so in light of DHB (deadheadbelle) getting all geeky here and providing way more info than is normal for a DIS board discussion, I will have to compete with her and provide you all with something I was just reading over at lost-tv.com on their message boards - yup, I am getting way too wrapped up in this darn show! OK, so here it is. Its a series of theories by someone with waaaay too much time on their hands, but I found it interesting reading. Again, it may contain SPOLIERS for some people




















From a Lost message board:

MUST READ!- New Theory based on New Info from David Lindelof

IMPORTANT NEW INFORMATION!!! (Sorry so long.)

New information from a Kathie Huddleston article in the October SciFi magazine titled “Lost Cause” has given me more insight into how the producers of the show are thinking. For me, the burning question is no longer “What is the creature in the trees?” It’s “What is the story with this island and is there any chance of ever getting off it?” Read the quotes and you’ll see what I mean, some of this information contradicts my earlier mammoth theory, so please feel free to give me your interpretations about what the creators of the show are saying.

Here’s a link to the scans page of LostFansite.com, a .jpg scan of the Oct. Sci Fi article is on the page, these quotes are from Damon Lindelof.
www.lostfansite.com/images-scans.html

First, regarding the creatures in the trees, here’s what he says in the first paragraph:

“I WILL TELL YOU THIS, IT’S NOT A DINOSAUR,” says Damon Lindelof, executive producer of ABC’s new fall series Lost. He’s talking about the mysterious and apparently large monster that stalks the 48 survivors of a commercial plane crash who are stranded on a desert island. Despite the monster’s apparent size, no one manages to get a look at it in the season premiere.

The point I got from this paragraph and other quotes I’ve read regarding the creature in the trees is that THEY DON’T WANT US TO SEE IT, and THEY DON’T WANT THE CRASH SURVIVORS TO SEE IT. There have been several quotes from them about how we as the audience will experience what these survivors are going through WITH THEM. We find things out WHEN THEY DO. So obviously, whatever these creatures are, I wouldn’t count on ANYONE SEEING them any time soon, there’s a quote below that reminds us of that. These things will probably show up frequently at night and in rainstorms so no one can get a clear view. It will probably be one of those situations where if one of the cast gets close enough to see it, they probably won’t live to tell about it. That’s one of the reasons I’m moving on to study the island itself. Here are the other important paragraphs:

For Lindelof, who created Lost with Alias alum J.J. Abrams, the creature is one of the many mysteries that the traumatized survivors have to deal with in the days after the crash. “When J.J. Abrams and I were starting to create the world of Lost, what this island would be, the idea that everything is inherently interconnected, that there was some relationship between the monster and polar bears and other weird things that you’ll start to see happening over the course of the first episodes was too overwhelming,” says Lindelof.

“There are explanations. We’re not going to have polar bears running out of the jungle because it’s cool. Nothing happens by accident on Lost. We sit down and have a conversation, saying, ‘All right, where do we think this polar bear came from? Are there other polar bears on the island? How did it get here? How is it surviving here?’ We answer those questions, and once we’re satisfied that we have the answer, then we set this thing lose. Then if we come up with another ‘mystery’ or genre concept a couple episodes down the road, that doesn’t necessarily have to be related to the back story of the polar bear, because the island has been around for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.”

According to Lindelof, the best way to balance the mysteries, the explanations, the people stranded on the island and their stories is to make the island come alive as a separate entity. “What we came up with was designing the island as a character, as a real person.”

These statements are the most important of ANY that I have read about this show. You could look at what he’s saying and view it a couple different ways, but here’s what I’m interpreting his comments to mean.

Bottom line, IT’S ALL ABOUT THE ISLAND. It sounds like they purposely just want weird things on this island, and any of the weird things we’ll see won’t have to have any connection to each other at all. They might be related, but when he said the thought of everything being “inherently interconnected” was “too overwhelming”, I really took notice of that. It sounds like that is what they DON’T want.

First, he seems to answer his own question about the polar bear being there by itself with his other questions. Maybe there is just one, and if that’s the case, it obviously didn’t migrate there. So the polar bear probably has it’s own explanation of how it got there, and that will be a piece of the puzzle.

Then, when he talked about how they worked on story elements, he used the polar bear as an example of how they basically reverse-engineered the back-story of how it got there and is surviving. He also said that other mysteries wouldn’t have to be related to the “how-did-the-polar-bear-get-there” explanation, that was a key comment too. Add to that the statement about making the island come alive as a separate entity, “as a character, as a real person”, and I think I’m starting to see what they’re going for. The creature that’s making all the noise in the trees, whatever it is, could have it’s own mystery and weird explanation of how it got on the island, it doesn’t have to be connected to the polar bear as I suggested with my mammoth theory. I still think that the mammoth is a possibility because the size and characteristics of a mammoth fit a lot of the parameters of the creature we’re dealing with, but it could be anything.

So based on that, and given they way the producers could take any animal, current or prehistoric, and find a way to explain how it got onto the island and how it’s surviving, these creatures could be ANYTHING that lived ANYWHERE on the planet FROM THE LAST SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS. As long as they can come up with a way to get it on the island, that’s all that matters to them. I think the bigger questions about this show will revolve around the survival aspect of being on this “island character”, this island-personification of something mysterious. Now I’m not buying into any supernatural theories, the producers have shot that idea dead themselves. What I am saying is that the strange nature of the island itself will be the foundation of this show’s ongoing mythology.

To the crash survivors, the question of how the polar bear (and whatever the creature is) got to the island will not be as important as this question – HOW LONG HAS IT SURVIVED LIVING THERE?

This will be even more important if we start seeing animals or creatures that were thought to be extinct. One of the reasons I researched the mammoth was because no animal living today seems to fit the profile of what is on the island and attacked the pilot. Also, the producers keep stressing the time element of this island, Lindelof said, and I quote, “the island has been around for thousands and thousands and thousands of years”. He said the word “thousands” THREE times! There’s obviously a hint in there. If I was on that island and had to accept that I’d be there for a while, I’d want to know how the polar bear survived. But if I was on that island and I saw something that was supposed to be EXTINCT, then I’d really get worried. Because that would mean that for some reason, it too was able to survive on the island, but the outside world didn’t know about it.

HOW LONG HAS THIS ISLAND BEEN ISOLATED FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD AND WHY? Those are the next big questions I’d be wondering. David Fury said this in another SciFi Article:

“Despite the surreal, bizarre aspects of the island, there will be an explanation for it. It may not come for a very long time, but certain information about the island will explain how things are possible. We'll try to root it in real science or real pseudo-science. There will be no mystical reason or an island of monsters. The island has been around for millennia, and many people have found themselves on it, and as far as we know, nobody has ever gotten off.”

That quote is the one I keep going back to for perspective on everything. For all the outlandish theories out there about “fear manifestation” or “trees coming alive” or “aliens” or “ghosts” or “mechanical devices” or whatever else, none of them are possible based on that quote.

That, plus the repeated emphasis on TIME is why I believe at some point we’ll see an extinct animal of some kind. Why? Because it would reinforce the fear element of the “nobody has ever gotten off this island” angle they’ve admitted they want to play up. Think about it logically. If you crashed on an island, you’d naturally assume you’d have at least some chance of being rescued. But if you crashed on an island and you saw an animal that was supposed to have been extinct for the last few thousand years, you would have to make the assumption that any one else that ever got to this island NEVER got off (including the French people who sent the repeating message 16 years ago). Because if they had, they would have reported what they had seen to the scientific community, who would have then sent researchers to find the animal and prove its existence, and you’d have seen news about it on CNN. You’d have read the newspaper story on the not-extinct-anymore animal AND the island it was found on. Scientists would have gotten the exact coordinates of the island from the rescuers, and someone would have gone back to get proof, and it would have been a historic event. BOTTOM LINE- If I’m Jack or Charlie and I’m walking along on that island and all of a sudden I’m staring at a mammoth or a dodo or some other animal I know is supposed to be extinct, that’s definitely going to have a huge impact on me, my thoughts of rescue, and it would change my perspective on survival.

That’s where the makers of this show are going LONG TERM. That’s why I think the creatures in the trees will be very significant to the storyline once we finally figure out what they are. The THREAT OF WHAT THESE CREATURES ARE might not be as important as WHAT THEIR VERY EXISTANCE MIGHT SIGNIFIY: That the chances of getting off that island are very, very slim, based on what is there, and how long it’s been there undiscovered.

DENIAL, HOPE and ACCEPTANCE will be the most important themes in this show. The concept of hope is something they’re going to deal with very early on. Jack will have to weigh the benefits of what information to pass along to the survivors because people without hope can panic and become a huge problem in that situation. The prospect of learning that some poor French people were there for a long time and never get off would be disheartening enough. The huge implications of seeing an extinct animal walking around, if that happened, would be a turning point in the show. We’ve all seen the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks, he never gave up hope of being rescued because logically he didn’t have to, there was always a chance. But what if you were in that same situation and enough things happened to you to lead you to believe there was NO chance you were ever getting off that island, how would that change you? What would you do then?

On one side of the spectrum you’d have those that would cling to HOPE and live in DENIAL of the situation and want to continue to focus all their time and energy on being rescued. On the other side, you’d have those that would say, “Screw it, we’ve ACCEPTED that we’re never getting off of here, the laws of the world don’t matter anymore, nothing else but survival matters. Some of us are going to settle in here and start our new lives and start building really good shelters that can withstand the weird storms and get ready for the long haul. We’re going to come up with our own rules, pair off and procreate, and start a new society.”

When the inhabitants get to that point – THAT’S when this show will really hit its stride. That’s when all that is good and bad about human nature will show up and be displayed. That’s when you’ll have the power struggles and the splintering into groups and the fighting for resources and all the conflict that a real situation like that could create. It may come sooner than later, or it may slowly build throughout the first season, but for those who wondered how they could write a four-year story arc about people living on an island, you have your answer. The first part of the show will have a lot of the survivors looking for a way to get rescued and working toward that common goal. As soon as they start dealing with the mysteries of the island and there’s some real disagreement about how to proceed, that’s when viewers will really get hooked on this show, if they aren’t already.

What I’ll be watching for from now on is the character development of The Island itself. I invite you all to do the same. Just like some people who are Dominic Monoghan fans will be watching to see how Charlie deals with his addiction problems, I’ll be studying the geography and vegetation of the island for oddities. While some are watching for Charlie to show symptoms of withdrawal and keeping an eye on how that affects his behavior, I’ll be monitoring the sudden weather changes on the island. I may even request that the mods give The Island it’s own character forum, then we can discuss it as the creators of the show intended, as a character.

-Pinnerman

 

[deadheadbelle]

OK Castelgazer. you are a WAY bigger geek than me.

 

[elgerber]

Thanks to both of you for posting that there are spoilers and giving us time to scroll down if we don't want to read them. I love to be surprised, I don't want to figure it out.

Is there anything really good in there I should go back up and read???

No, no, no, I want to be surprised...

 

[deadheadbelle]

Originally posted by elgerber
Thanks to both of you for posting that there are spoilers and giving us time to scroll down if we don't want to read them. I love to be surprised, I don't want to figure it out.

Is there anything really good in there I should go back up and read???

No, no, no, I want to be surprised...

Most of what I quoted was based on interviews with cast members. They aren't giving much a way, but there are definitely hints. Castlegazer's quote was more of some guy with way too much time on his hands' theory.

 

[castlegazer]

Yeah, mine's just a bunch of BS from a guy with a little bit of interview thrown in for good measure. I was just trying to outgeek deadheadbelle. I don't think it gives anything away - its more of a thought provoker.

 

[katerkat]

Do people really want to know what the Korean guy said? There's a translation on the Lost website that I could bring here...

 

[castlegazer]

Originally posted by katerkat
Do people really want to know what the Korean guy said? There's a translation on the Lost website that I could bring here...

I do, but I have decided that I like knowing the spoilers - I don't think there is enough spoilers out there to really give anything away - it just gives more depth to the show. Like I was reading about the background conversations of some of the passengers which, again, provides more depth. I think JJ Abrams is writing this like Alias - he doesn't know all plot development yet, therefore you won't be able to find out enough to spoil anything.

This is very much like Alias - where I also find having spoilers or a little "help" deciphering episodes is a good thing when dealing with a JJ Abrams show. I think he wants this to go on. He really writes like a computer gamer would - there are visual clues and verbal clues in there that some will see and some will miss. I am usually in the miss category so cheats, or spoilers are great for me.

 

[katerkat]

OK, here's the translation. (Scroll away if you don't want to read it!)

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Michael: Hey, have you seen my boy?
Korean Lady: I'm sorry, I can't speak English [blank staring] ... I can't speak English.
Koreany Dude: Your shirt's open, close it! Quickly!
Michael: ...

Kate: [washes]
Korean Lady: Excuse me (my korean ain't hip enough to give you 100% here, but yeah ... this is it in a gist, she might have also been saying something akin to "excuse me, miss"), but everything must be ready, they're all looking (for you).
Korean Dude: Hey you! (Or, the Korean equivalent to 'yo', actually) This is food, try one.
Hurly: S'up?
Korean Dude: This is sea urchin, it's really delicious. Try one.
Hurly: What, that?
Korean Dude: If you eat this, it'll give you some strength, it's okay to eat.
Hurly: What, eat that?
Korean Dude: *Eat it*, there's plenty, just - just *try* one ...
Hurly: Dude, dude ... I'm starving ...
Korean Dude: Yeah, yeah yeah ... (this makes me think he understands English)
Hurly: But not that starving. No thank you!

Incidently, there are certain ways to talk in Korean, you can say the same thing but depending upon certain words you add or don't add it can totally change the formality or the ... politeness of the words. Korean Dude is pretty polite to Hurly at first, if you notice he says "yo" at the end of each sentence - but as Hurly rejects him he gets a bit more abrupt, or less formal with him - language changes a bit. No more "yo", yo.

Also, he never speaks "politely" or respectfully towards his wife.

Korean Dude: This is *sea urchin*, try one.
Pregnant Lady: Er, nooo ... thank you.
Korean Dude: It's really important you eat this because of your baby, just have one. Have one. (I really don't think he was trying to poison her or anything here, because why would he tell her it's important she eat for her baby's sake if she doesn't understand what he's saying anyway?)
Pregnant Lady: [eats one]
Korean Dude: This one, yes ... eat it. There you go ... good isn't it? Have another one.
Pregnant Lady: [spazzes]
Korean Dude: What ... Are you okay? Are you okay?
Pregnant Lady: OMG FEEL THIS PLZTHX
Korean Dude: No, no, I don't want to, I don't want to ... Oh ..
Pregnant Lady: Do you feel that!?
Korean Dude: Oo ... I don't like it.
Pregnant Lady: That's a foot! That's a kick!
Korean Dude: Hand ... hand ... let go of my hand, will you?

He's polite to the pregnant lady through that whole thing, although he obviously thinks she's a bit of a freak.

 

[castlegazer]

Two things - thanks for posting it first off.

1) I don't think they are husband and wife - that's an assumption people are making.

2) I took it completely differently when the man had his hand on her belly - he didn't say Oh once, he said it twice in a row and in a good way. I think he was surprised and a little happy to feel it.

 

[Beth76]

Thanks for the translation. I never thought that he was "trying out" the food on the other people. I think if he thought it might be poisonous, he wouldn't have offered it to the pregnant lady.

Here's my deal on spoilers. I like immediate resolution (or at least reasonable). If they're going to make me wait all season to find out something, I'd rather know it up front. Plus, it helps me understand a bit better. Now, if it's something that we're going to find out next week, I can probably wait,

That's why I couldn't watch "24" on TV. There was just way too much to remember for a whole season. I liked watching it on DVD, so we could see the whole story within about 2 weeks. I'm thinking "Lost" is going to be a lot like 24 in that respect.

 

[Kirby]

Do you think a clue to the monster is that it's only shown up when there is little to no sunlight? At least that's what I remember.