Lookout Cay long pier.

[auntlynne]

More specifically, they were concerned with corals in the are as well as the habitats of other marine species.

Look, you all can go on about how Disney is just being cheap or lazy or whatever, but you're just speculating with absolutely nothing to back it up. When Disney proposed this project, there was a ton of pushback from environmental groups and locals who didn't want to disturb the natural environment. Disney had to make some concessions to get the project approved.

I'm glad that Disney did what they could to preserve as many natural habitats as they could and that they only developed what was necessary to get a really nice cruise destination.

Maybe you don't care about the environment, but a lot of us do, and Disney knows it. That's why they use ultra low sulfur fuel, why they have advanced waste water treatment facilities on the ships, why they use plug-in power whenever possible, and why they always score better than every other major cruise line when it comes to environmental concerns. Lookout Cay is just following the DCL model.

And with that one sentence, all the good words about Disney and positive environmental efforts were lost.

And where you got that idea from her post read more into your thinking than the context and content of her words.

 

[Kwami]

And with that one sentence, all the good words about Disney and positive environmental efforts were lost.

And where you got that idea from her post read more into your thinking than the context and content of her words.

There have been numerous posts in this thread and elsewhere that said Disney should have chosen a different island instead of making compromises to protect the environment, or that the environmental concerns were just an excuse to save money, or that we might as well not bother because cruise ships are already bad, so who cares?

I don't know if the particular poster that I quoted feels that way. Based on subsequent posts, I suppose not. But the overall point stands.

 

[John VN]

https://www.creativecompositesgroup.com/blog/building-better-pathways-with-cantilever-sidewalks

https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/4571...FiberSPAN_Lightweight_Cantilever_Sidewalk.pdf

 

[Jillpie]

Wouldn't it make sense to tender everyone right to the beaches?

 

[anricat]

I don't know if the particular poster that I quoted feels that way.

I don't. And TBH, it's been bothering me all afternoon that anyone would take that away from anything that I said. Much of this thread has actually been bothering me all afternoon so I think I'm going to bow out of after this.

Maybe it boils down to the fact that having a child who can't do all the things that normal kids can is really really hard. And when things are actually harder on vacation than they are at home, it turns what should be an enjoyable escape into an exercise in frustration. And I was looking forward to escaping all that on our next cruise we have booked, which goes to Lookout Cay. Yes, I know we can request a cart. Heard. It just sucks to be different and stand out as such and therein lies the rub.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Wouldn't it make sense to tender everyone right to the beaches?

There's a post about what would be involved to run tenders into the shore. Did you see it? In mentions the necessity of digging a trench (not particularly environmentally friendly)to access said beach, as well as building on the shore line (also an environmental issue).

 

[Kwami]

There's a post about what would be involved to run tenders into the shore. Did you see it? In mentions the necessity of digging a trench (not particularly environmentally friendly)to access said beach, as well as building on the shore line (also an environmental issue).

In addition, tenders are slower than just walking because you have to wait in line for the next boat to arrive, you have to wait for everyone to board and settle in, and then you have to wait to get off.

And tender boats use fuel and create pollution, too. It's a double hit on the environment vs. just walking.

 

[Kwami]

I don't. And TBH, it's been bothering me all afternoon that anyone would take that away from anything that I said. Much of this thread has actually been bothering me all afternoon so I think I'm going to bow out of after this.

For what it's worth, I didn't mean to accuse you specifically of having any particular feelings toward the environment. My statement was more general. Sorry.

 

[greeneyedchick]

People should be adult and take responsibility for their own choice. Regardless most people know if they can walk a half mile in the sun. When in doubt, arrange for transport. But if one is really caught by surprise, step to the side and wave down a cast member. I don’t know what Disney people are going to, but the Disney I go to I find the cast members are VERY aware of the guests and trained to look for problems and are quick to give assistance. I admit I don’t run as fast as I used to, and I’m constantly asked by cast members if I need help. Is it embarrassing? Maybe, but if you don’t know if you can walk a half mile, you probably can’t. Same with parents with young children. Your choice. Your decision.

Except that there have been reports of people asking for rides back to the ship and being denied.

 

[Donna3271]

I don't. And TBH, it's been bothering me all afternoon that anyone would take that away from anything that I said. Much of this thread has actually been bothering me all afternoon so I think I'm going to bow out of after this.

Maybe it boils down to the fact that having a child who can't do all the things that normal kids can is really really hard. And when things are actually harder on vacation than they are at home, it turns what should be an enjoyable escape into an exercise in frustration. And I was looking forward to escaping all that on our next cruise we have booked, which goes to Lookout Cay. Yes, I know we can request a cart. Heard. It just sucks to be different and stand out as such and therein lies the rub.

Sending you a hug

 

[greeneyedchick]

I think the thing that bothers me is that Imagineers used to be known for solving problems with creative solutions and identifying potential issues before they become issues. They used to think of every detail.

I understand that they had to have a long, narrow pier for environmental reasons. But where was the Imagineer who said that it may be too hot and long for a lot of their guests? I feel like they could have invented a whole new type of "people mover" that could withstand storms or be stored quickly and transport people back and forth efficiently. There are definitely shade options that are used by other resorts who have to contend with the same hurricane winds. They could have at least provided shade or improved on existing canopy designs. Maybe attach fold-down benches so that they aren't blocking the way when not in use?

II guess what I'm saying is that Imagineering has lost its innovation. Disney used to be known for doing new and cool things that no one else had done. Now it feels like they aren't even trying and they don't care if the guest experience is less than stellar.

 

[Cheburashka]

I did not say you could stop a tram. You can also only stop a golf cart in the event of an emergency.
No one is blaming any Guest. If you feel you can’t walk back in the afternoon, there is the option to get a ride on a golf cart

My original post in which I responded to your earlier post said "cart". Then another poster responded to my post and said "tram", so I inadvertently copied her mistake when responding to her. I went back and corrected it after seeing your comment.

That poster was blaming guests who get overheated and become unable to finish crossing the pier on the way back to the boat. Saying it was their issue, not Disney's. You never blamed a disabled guest, but the PP I was responding to did.

 

[insureman]

That’s fine. They don’t have to walk it at the end of the day. They can ride a golf cart. You do not have to pre-register for rides returning to the ship. It’s available to anyone at that time.

I am telling you from experience it is not easy getting a golf cart on Castaway so I imagine that Lookout Cay will be harder. What happens if you don't think you need a cart so you never registered?

 

[stitch'sgirl]

Wouldn't this be fun!

 

[DCLMP]

Wouldn't this be fun!
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They would still complain they had to walk.

 

[DCLMP]

I mean, that's great. Shade would be a marked improvement.

Either way, we'll be using a golf cart. Well, my 15 year old will be and I guess we'll just meet her on the other end. She has hEDS and mobility it hit or miss for her. Some days she looks like a regular kid dancing and jumping around. And then on high pain days, she can barely walk. We never know what we're going to get, but we'll definitely be asking for a golf cart in both directions to ensure that she doesn't overdue it and cause a high pain day. I just hope that we don't get any judgement from people when they see what appears to be an able-bodied teenager using the golf carts. A lot of people don't understand that her body can turn on her in an instant.

I think you are way to concerned about what others think. That's a you problem. No one is going to care or give it a second thought.

 

[stitch'sgirl]

They would still complain they had to walk.

Hey! I'm "They"!

 

[DCLMP]

Hey! I'm "They"!

You would still complain then.

 

[anricat]

I think you are way to concerned about what others think. That's a you problem. No one is going to care or give it a second thought.

It's not my feelings I'm worried about. Clearly you've never had the privilege of parenting a 15 year old girl. Most of them aren't exactly brimming with self-confidence. Being differently-abled certainly doesn't help anything, among other anxiety and some other mental health issues she's struggled with (no thanks to a series of deaths in our family and my own bout with cancer last year).

And actually, people unfortunately do care and they do judge. Ableism is alive and well and many people don't understand her disorder at all. Ambulatory wheelchair users get accused of "faking it" all the time.

 

[DCLMP]

It's not my feelings I'm worried about. Clearly you've never had the privilege of parenting a 15 year old girl. Most of them aren't exactly brimming with self-confidence. Being differently-abled certainly doesn't help anything, among other anxiety and some other mental health issues she's struggled with (no thanks to a series of deaths in our family and my own bout with cancer last year).

And actually, people unfortunately do care and they do judge. Ableism is alive and well and many people don't understand her disorder at all. Ambulatory wheelchair users get accused of "faking it" all the time.

Cleary you know nothing about my family. I have had the privilege of parenting and still do. I'm well aware of mental health issues and all that goes a long with that. I'm well aware of cancer and deaths in the family. I've had plenty of experience with all of the above.

The fact that you think you are the only one that has had to deal with these issues says a lot about you. This notion that everyone is judging you is absurd. Most of us have too many problems of our own to worry about why some teenage girl is in a wheelchair.

If your daughter needs accommodations ask for it. DCL will be happy to help you. You stressing out over what other people think isn't helping your daughter.