Lookout Cay long pier.

[anricat]

So you’re saying you’ve never walked a half mile at the parks without stopping? I find that hard to believe.

No. I am not saying that. It's just...different and you can't equate the two experiences. Plus, as I already indicated to you previously, this is less about me (an able-bodied personal training and group fitness instructor) and more about my teenage daughter who really will need a golf cart and feeling uncomfortable about that. As I said, she just feels a little self-conscious about being disabled and literally nothing I say about it is going to make her feel less different or uncomfortable about it. I had a really hard time getting her to use a wheelchair at Disneyland. She literally powered through our first day with her forearm crutches and was completely destroyed before she eventually let me rent one the next day. We have a placard for the car to park in accessible spaces and she literally will almost NEVER use it. And yes, I'm aware, as you pointed out earlier, this is a me (her) problem. Ultimately she just doesn't want to feel like she's different. She will try to power through and then be a wreck before she admits to herself that her body isn't like other people's bodies.

Overall, I'm just not thrilled about the way this is set up. Maybe I'll feel differently in January. Maybe I'll still find it annoying. Who knows. Either way, you aren't required to understand it or agree with me. And we'll all just have to accept that my child isn't going to change the nature of her insecurities overnight and that's okay too.

 

[insureman]

No. I am not saying that. It's just...different and you can't equate the two experiences. Plus, as I already indicated to you previously, this is less about me (an able-bodied personal training and group fitness instructor) and more about my teenage daughter who really will need a golf cart and feeling uncomfortable about that. As I said, she just feels a little self-conscious about being disabled and literally nothing I say about it is going to make her feel less different or uncomfortable about it. I had a really hard time getting her to use a wheelchair at Disneyland. She literally powered through our first day with her forearm crutches and was completely destroyed before she eventually let me rent one the next day. We have a placard for the car to park in accessible spaces and she literally will almost NEVER use it. And yes, I'm aware, as you pointed out earlier, this is a me (her) problem. Ultimately she just doesn't want to feel like she's different. She will try to power through and then be a wreck before she admits to herself that her body isn't like other people's bodies.

Overall, I'm just not thrilled about the way this is set up. Maybe I'll feel differently in January. Maybe I'll still find it annoying. Who knows. Either way, you aren't required to understand it or agree with me. And we'll all just have to accept that my child isn't going to change the nature of her insecurities overnight and that's okay too.

You are 100 % correct. There are also former abled body people who don't like to ask for help . It can be embarrassing to do so. If they had a tram system to begin with for everyone this would be a moot point.

 

[DCLMP]

No. I am not saying that. It's just...different and you can't equate the two experiences. Plus, as I already indicated to you previously, this is less about me (an able-bodied personal training and group fitness instructor) and more about my teenage daughter who really will need a golf cart and feeling uncomfortable about that. As I said, she just feels a little self-conscious about being disabled and literally nothing I say about it is going to make her feel less different or uncomfortable about it. I had a really hard time getting her to use a wheelchair at Disneyland. She literally powered through our first day with her forearm crutches and was completely destroyed before she eventually let me rent one the next day. We have a placard for the car to park in accessible spaces and she literally will almost NEVER use it. And yes, I'm aware, as you pointed out earlier, this is a me (her) problem. Ultimately she just doesn't want to feel like she's different. She will try to power through and then be a wreck before she admits to herself that her body isn't like other people's bodies.

Overall, I'm just not thrilled about the way this is set up. Maybe I'll feel differently in January. Maybe I'll still find it annoying. Who knows. Either way, you aren't required to understand it or agree with me. And we'll all just have to accept that my child isn't going to change the nature of her insecurities overnight and that's okay too.

What did any of the recent posts I commented on have anything to do with your daughter?

 

[Kit Jackson]

Can you just put it in a backpack?

My point was that what I bring to a beach day/Castaway Cay is more and therefore in a larger bag than what I take with me to the parks.

 

[DCLMP]

My point was that what I bring to a beach day/Castaway Cay is more and therefore in a larger bag than what I take with me to the parks.

I get that, but there are bags that make carrying more stuff easier. Sometimes you have to adapt.

 

[Kit Jackson]

I get that, but there are bags that make carrying more stuff easier. Sometimes you have to adapt.

You're still missing my point, which is that people often need/want to take more with them for a beach day than a typical day in the park. However you decide to carry it, a larger bag will be needed.

 

[Anna131517]

Just got back from Magic cruise on July 20. We saw ZERO flies during lunch. Also no fights or mad scambles for chairs by the water. We were off the ship around 8:30(we all wake up early, even on vacation) I have a bad knee and the pier walk wasn't as difficult for me as I had thought it might be. I probably could have gotten on one of the many golf carts, but didn't want to. I wasn't paying attention to the time when we got to the beach, probably a little before 9am. There were still chairs around us for a good 30-45 mins. We had front row chairs by the water. People who waited until 10:30 to get there probably couldn't get them where we were. There were a lot more chairs by the water than what it looked like in the early vlogs I saw. The sand is so incredibly soft and the water was wonderful. My teen didn't miss not having a teen club or tubes/floats like she thought pre-cruise. We didn't go to other areas like the Splash pad. The beach was so nice I didn't want to leave. We've been to CC 8 times and love it, I prefer LP over CC. Before the cruise I didn't think I would even like it, now I can't wait to go back.

Thank you! This is so good to hear! What beach area did you go to?

 

[lklgoodman]

Thank you! This is so good to hear! What beach area did you go to?

We were at the family beach, in between the welcome center and the snorkeling rental booth. They don't give out paper maps like they used to do for CC. I thought they might since it is new. They have signs(could use more) the walk ways were a little confusing at first. I had looked at a map on DCL's site beforehand and took a screenshot. We were pretty close to everything. I wish I were there now!!!

 

[MonaMN]

It seems like, as long as you get going early, you'll get a chair by the water if that's what you want. I get that people might not WANT to wake up early, but that's when you have to weigh what's most important to you. It's not unfair that people who get off the boat early get the seats they want while others who waited have to take what's left: this is how it works in LOTS of scenarios. Like tonight, we're going to a concert and we have open seating on the lawn. For this concert, we want a good spot, so we'll get there at least an hour early. There have been other times at this same venue where we've gotten there right before the show and ended up sitting behind a pillar, but we knew that was a possibility because we weren't getting there early. Want a good spot in a theater when seats aren't assigned? Get there early. Want to avoid waiting in a long line of cars to get into a national park? Get there early. Want a good chair at your local pool in the summer? Get there early. Want to make sure you get the merch you want at your favorite store on the day that they're having a huge sale? Get there early. Want a good spot for a parade? You get the point.

Yes! If you want a beach chair, then rope drop Lighthouse Point!

At Castaway, we mostly sit on a chair to read so being further back away from the action is actually more appealing to me.

 

[pearljammer]

Some of these posts and comments have been appalling to be honest, how some of you are treating and speaking to one another. Just wow. Some respond as though they live in anothers shoes and offended easily. Yikes.

Anywho. While the long walk may not be ideal and for many, not the “perfect” unload. Personally I’m just happy to have a “free” beach day that’s within walking distance from the boat with food, chars, etc. provided. Excursions for such is not the cheapest so that’s how I’m seeing it. I’m trying to look at the bigger picture and I for one will take it!! If it means I wear tennis shoes off the boat, so be it. Thank goodness for backpacks. Let’s go!!!

 

[lanejudy]

my teenage daughter who really will need a golf cart and feeling uncomfortable about that. As I said, she just feels a little self-conscious about being disabled and literally nothing I say about it is going to make her feel less different or uncomfortable about it.

I'm sorry she is struggling so much with accepting her abilities. While sure it's preferrable to just jump on the tram if everyone is riding. However expecting a business to provide a service to all just so the disabled don't have to request accommodation is excessive. Plus it doesn't help your daughter to shield her from 1) accepting herself for who she is and 2) learning to ask for the accommodations she needs. Learning to advocate for herself at a younger age will make her adult life that much more for her; she'll be happier and free-er in the long run. I have a teen who's mantra has been "I just want to be a normal kid" so I understand the journey to self-advocacy.

 

[insureman]

Some of these posts and comments have been appalling to be honest, how some of you are treating and speaking to one another. Just wow. Some respond as though they live in anothers shoes and offended easily. Yikes.

Anywho. While the long walk may not be ideal and for many, not the “perfect” unload. Personally I’m just happy to have a “free” beach day that’s within walking distance from the boat with food, chars, etc. provided. Excursions for such is not the cheapest so that’s how I’m seeing it. I’m trying to look at the bigger picture and I for one will take it!! If it means I wear tennis shoes off the boat, so be it. Thank goodness for backpacks. Let’s go!!!

Good points although it is an " included " beach day and not "free". As we all know nothing is free on a Disney cruise.

 

[anricat]

What did any of the recent posts I commented on have anything to do with your daughter?

https://www.disboards.com/threads/lookout-cay-long-pier.3948879/post-65586157
https://www.disboards.com/threads/lookout-cay-long-pier.3948879/post-65586315

The latter of which I reached out to you to apologize in a private message because it wasn't my intention to offend. I'm surprised you don't remember that conversation.

 

[anricat]

However expecting a business to provide a service to all just so the disabled don't have to request accommodation is excessive.

Well, no, I realize that. I'm just indicating that is my reason for wishing there were transportation. Since a lot of the backlash against those who were hoping for larger scale transit options are being accused of being lazy. I was ultimately pointing out that it's not necessarily about laziness.

That said, accessibility is important. I understand that they have an accessible option (now) but it feels like it was an afterthought.

 

[insureman]

Is the only option to the beach by tram or can folks walk if they want?

 

[dreamer17555]

Is the only option to the beach by tram or can folks walk if they want?

Currently tram only but that might change

 

[dreamer17555]

Some videos of people crossing the pier today in really rainy weather have been posted to social media showing how slick and slippery the pier is when wet. It looks unsafe.

 

[insureman]

Some videos of people crossing the pier today in really rainy weather have been posted to social media showing how slick and slippery the pier is when wet. It looks unsafe.

Are the videos on FB?

 

[Goofy1932]

Are the videos on FB?

At least one is. I watched a video showing someone trying to make it back down that long pier and slipping several times.

 

[anjuan]

I just got off the Fantasy today and was at Lookout Cay two days ago. Overall my daughter and I really liked the island. The beach is gorgeous! There was no issue with flies. I thought the food was better than Castaway. I liked a lot of the things they did related to Bahamian culture, like the jankakoo (sp?) celebration, crafts for kids, etc. I didn't think that the walk was that bad in good weather. When the landscaping grows in the island will be even more beautiful. They also had the bikes available now.

With that being said, with the larger ship there was a lack of seating on the beach. I got off pretty much right away so I could get a lounger near the water. They were gone very fast. I did see a lot of people taking the shorter chairs from behind the dunes and carrying them near the water. The serenity bay area is a lot smaller and not separate. My daughter saw younger kids hanging out there. Someone commented that they had to wait for the transportation to the island and by the time they got there all of the beach chairs were gone.

I came back to the ship around 1pm so I had no issues getting back. I was on my balcony later when I saw storm clouds form quickly with high winds. I felt so sorry for those that were on the pier when the storm occurred. People in my Facebook group commented how slippery the pier was and how scared their kids were. My daughter was on the beach at the time of the storm. The cement near the beach was also very slippery- so much so that a 19 yr old guy friend of hers fell and scratched his back up pretty bad. I think that they could have textured the cement more so it wasn't so slippery.

With this being said, I would be happy to go back again. It's one of the best beaches I have ever been to before. I think that there are some things that they can continue to tweak to improve the island.