Little girl gets knocked out during parade

[robinb]

Saying you DON'T see something is the complete opposite of saying you see exactly what happened and what the treatment should be. I DON'T see any indication of a serious injury. What I see leads me to BELIEVE she wasn't injured, but you simply cannot determine that from the video, as I said in that same PP. IF she was further injured Disney should make it right, but we cannot detemine that from this video. There is NO WAY she can decide what kind of long term care the child would or wuld not need when we didn't even see wether her head hit the ground or not.

I guess I'm still failing to see the difference. You watch the video and make the assumption that everything is OK and Molly makes the assumption that the child may have some lasting injury. Even though you believe the girl wasn't injured, it seems that we agree that we can't make any definite determination about the extent of the injury sustained by the child from the video alone.

 

[LSUfan4444]

What other intent could she have had?

Maybe she didn't know what to do because she couldn't get in touch with Disney?

Maybe her sister wanted to see the video and doesn't have an email address?

Maybe her best friend was leaving for Disney the next day and the last conversation she heard was the daughter saying, "Mom, I can't wait to dance in the street during the parade with the cast members?"


Seriously, I have no idea, and either do you...thats the point.

I am not saying you're intution is wrong, I am saying you don't know and judging before you have enough information to actually judge is what I have the issue with.

You can argue semantics and fact versus opinion all day long, but its not going to change anything. No one can get inside herhead nad find out what her thought porcesses are so we have to make resonable assumptions based on int information we have.

WOW!!!!

The difference between facts and semantics won't change anything????

In absence of complete information, just make any judgement you'd like rather than abstaining judgement altogether.

I completely 100% agree that is what you are doing here. The sad part is that you don't see what's wrong with that.

 

[LSUfan4444]

Robin, you missed the part where cheermom's intuition defines reality. Don't worry about facts, they're not important.

 

[cheer25mom]

I guess I'm still failing to see the difference. You watch the video and make the assumption that everything is OK and Molly makes the assumption that the child may have some lasting injury. Even though you believe the girl wasn't injured, it seems that we agree that we can't make any definite determination about the extent of the injury sustained by the child from the video alone.

I said there is no evidence to indicate she was injured, not that she absolutely wasn't. She said that she would require extensive care from multiple sources. Definitely different.

 

[Bean786]

Robin, you missed the part where cheermom's intuition defines reality. Don't worry about facts, they're not important.

Or maybe your so determined to make sure that disney is wrong..wrong.. WRONG!

Like look disney was wrong. And that person was wrong. The kids ok. She has a black eye. She's going to live. She'll be alright. Disney takes time to respond. Calm down

 

[Sunnywho]

She has a shocking video, there's no reason not to post it on youtube. It has value in warning other parents. Does she owe it to Disney to not post that video? No, especially if Disney did not handle the incident appropriately or at all.

 

[LSUfan4444]

Or maybe your so determined to make sure that disney is wrong..wrong.. WRONG!

Like look disney was wrong. And that person was wrong. The kids ok. She has a black eye. She's going to live. She'll be alright. Disney takes time to respond. Calm down

I do think Disney is wrong on one account, as is the mom. I don't believe either of them did enough to address the situation at the time of the incident. Had their been an incident report (which is standard pretty much everywhere from your local Applebees to Wal Mart), this would be a non issue.

 

[cheer25mom]

Robin, you missed the part where cheermom's intuition defines reality. Don't worry about facts, they're not important.

You really just don't get it or want an argument here. Everyone, everyday makes assupmtions and judgements based on evidence in front of them and no one knows without doubt that those assumptions are 100% correct. How do go through life without ever forming an opinion or making a judgment call about anything unless you have 100% hard evidence that it is so?? Everone here has an opinion and should be free to express that without you jumping down thier throat and arguing semantics into the ground in a an attempt to run them over. I THINK she is looking for comepnstaion here BASED ON HER ACTIONS TO THIS POINT. I don't see how that is saying that no facts are important. I think you just want an argument here are are willing to do anything to get it, based on your actions to this point.

 

[Bean786]

I do think Disney is wrong on one account, as is the mom. I don't believe either of them did enough to address the situation at the time of the incident. Had their been an incident report (which is standard pretty much everywhere from your local Applebees to Wal Mart), this would be a non issue.

But SHE decided not to fill one out. Not disneys issues. So SHE needs to suck it up and move on.

Look I'm not saying a CM shouldn't have came over. Because they SHOULD have. So if that was me and I was so concerned. I would have went a filed one. Just like when this huge branch fell on me at disney. I'm not going to think they should do something for me NOW when I didn't say anything THEN.

 

[LSUfan4444]

But SHE decided not to fill one out. Not disneys issues. So SHE needs to suck it up and move on.

SHE may not have been aware she could even do so, but the CM certainly should have known. He is trained, she isn't.

It is Disney's issue as well. The report is for both of their protection. I promise you Disney wishes they had one right now.

Not filling out an incident report doesn't let the timeline run out before you can inquire with Disney about an issue that occurred in the park....whatever that inquiry might be.

So if that was me and I was so concerned. I would have went a filed one. Just like when this huge branch fell on me at disney. I'm not going to think they should do something for me NOW when I didn't say anything THEN.

We are in agreement here. She should have realized possible future complications (concusison, black eye, etc.), but she didn't. Her bad. The CM should have though about job protection and making sure his supervisor knew about the situation and something was filled out to prevent something like this.

Everyone, everyday makes assupmtions and judgements based on evidence in front of them and no one knows without doubt that those assumptions are 100% correct

Making a judgement and assumptions to make decision are required in our daily life. Making them about other people is not.

You can justify your desire to rush to harsh judgements in any way you'd like, but I promise you that not everyone judges other people with incomplete information and half sided broken stories. I am sorry you feel that way.

 

[Bean786]

SHE may not have been aware she could even do so, but the CM certainly should have known. He is trained, she isn't.

So allll those CMs that work there. Even if she didn't know you could fill out a report. She couldn't have stopped one like my daughter just got knocked down super hard. Is there somebody I can talk to.

I'm not buying it.

 

[cheer25mom]

Making a judgement and assumptions to make decision are required in our daily life. Making them about other people is not.

You can justify your desire to rush to harsh judgements in any way you'd like, but I promise you that not everyone judges other people with incomplete information and half sided broken stories. I am sorry you feel that way.

Of course they do. We judge wether or not we are safe to wal kto our car alone based on the LOOK of the poeple in a parking lot. WE judge wether or not to let our child play at someone's house based on what info we have about the parent. We all judge people without 100% certianty every day. I cannot believe you have never ever made one of these type of judgment calls about a person without 100% rock solid proof one way or the other. I have and am willing to admit that. I will also admit that sometimes those judgments are incorrect, but we cannot function without making them. Based on the info I have, I think she is out to get something from Disney here. I stand by that until I am shown differently because for me, the evidence is compelling enough to make that assumption.

 

[disnut8]

And just to add another thing - how does anyone know the Cast Member dancer didn't go to his supervisor immediately after the parade and say something like "I knocked over a little girl during the dancing part" and filled out paperwork there just in case the girl ended up in the First Aid area?

 

[LSUfan4444]

So allll those CMs that work there. Even if she didn't know you could fill out a report. She couldn't have stopped one like my daughter just got knocked down super hard. Is there somebody I can talk to.

I'm not buying it.

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking.

It is certainly plausible that the mom didn't know she should have filed an incident report. It's also plausible that the daughter did not show any signs of injury. It's also plausible that the mom didn't know that a head injury might not show symptoms until later.

It certainly doesn't excuse the mom in any way...she should have sought someone out, she didn't.

Now, the mom is saying she was "knocked out", which seems to be an exaggeration, but if she described it as that harsh....there is no excuse not to address it immediately.

BUT, the CM should have know if you hit any guest in the face unintentionally and they fall to the ground, you alert a supervisor. I mean, is that not the case at any job.....where is that not what should be expected?

Where could you be a manager and your employee accidentally hit someone (a child) in the head and knocked them to the ground and you think that you shouldn't be notified immediately and that the employee doesn't know they should notify you.

This isn't Victoria & Albert's service here. I bet if you asked any waitress at Red Lobster if they would tell their manager they would unequivocally answer yes.

 

[LSUfan4444]

And just to add another thing - how does anyone know the Cast Member dancer didn't go to his supervisor immediately after the parade and say something like "I knocked over a little girl during the dancing part" and filled out paperwork there just in case the girl ended up in the First Aid area?

He may have, which is certainly better than nothing. I hope for his sake he did because if this is the first time his superiors hear about it, no doubt his job is lost.

In my experiences, the way they have worked is one report is completed by the victim and one report is completed by an emlpoyee/supervisor with first hand accounts of what happened. They're not all like that, but for the most part, it takes statements from both parties at the time of the incident.

 

[markman04]

So allll those CMs that work there. Even if she didn't know you could fill out a report. She couldn't have stopped one like my daughter just got knocked down super hard. Is there somebody I can talk to.

I'm not buying it.

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking.

i'm pretty sure she wasn't asking anything - just making a point

 

[LSUfan4444]

Of course they do. We judge wether or not we are safe to wal kto our car alone based on the LOOK of the poeple in a parking lot. WE judge wether or not to let our child play at someone's house based on what info we have about the parent.

What you are talking about here is using available information to make a decision that you have to make. You park, you need to get to your car so you take what is known and make the best decision with what information is available.

Using your scenario and comparing it to what we have here, it would be like parking, then making a judgement on the income, profession or intent of the people in the parking lot based on how they are dressed.

They differ immensely.

You don't have to judge this woman to make any decision. It doesn't impact you, but it doesn't stop you.

Like I said, Making a judgement and assumptions to make decision are required in our daily life. Making them about other people is not.

 

[LSUfan4444]

i'm pretty sure she wasn't asking anything - just making a point

And what was the point? I can't make any sense of it.


So allll those CMs that work there.

Even if she didn't know you could fill out a report.

She couldn't have stopped one like my daughter just got knocked down super hard.

Is there somebody I can talk to.

 

[cheer25mom]

What you are talking about here is using available information to make a decision that you have to make. You park, you need to get to your car so you take what is known and make the best decision with what information is available.

Using your scenario and comparing it to what we have here, it would be like parking, then making a judgement on the income, profession or intent of the people in the parking lot based on how they are dressed.

They differ immensely.

You don't have to judge this woman to make any decision. It doesn't impact you, but it doesn't stop you.

Like I said, Making a judgement and assumptions to make decision are required in our daily life. Making them about other people is not.

I simply don't see it as any different. You are judging the intent of the person in the parking lot soley based on thier appearence. You determine wether it is safe to walk past them based on what they look like, nothing more. There are hundreds of other examples wher we make snap judgments about people. We are human and do it all the time without even thinking about it. To claim any different is fooling ourselves. We all make value judgments based on the info we have hundreds of times a day. Honestly, to me this is actually more fair becuase I have some evidence of this woman's intent based on actions, not appearances. WHY you made the judgement and wether the person in question's actions directly effect you doesn't change the fact that you made a value judgment based on incomplete info.

 

[markman04]

I believe the point was that if the mother was unaware of who to talk to about the incident - she could have easily asked someone.