Line etiquette - holding spots

I find it interesting that some people find saving a 'space' in line rude but saving a space on the sidewalk at a parade is not. Just an observation.

Totally different things. Saving a place in line makes the wait for the people behind you longer. Saving a place for a parade doesn't affect the time the parade goes by. However, I don't like it when people save a 20 foot section of sidewalk either. My thoughts on that are more people need to be holding the spot then are out walking around. And they should only be gone quick enough for a potty break or to buy a snack. Going on Splash Mountain 4 times while mom holds 20 feet of frontage? Nope, that is rude. And if there is a confrontation over the space, the CMs will be on the side of the people who want the space, not the phantom people not in it.
 
I don't think its a problem when its just one person or an adult and a child. When I see 3 or 10 people wanting to pass me, I get seriously miffed. Especially now since my mom's in a wheelchair and they try to step over her or expect me to go out of my way to let them through. We've been in a few lines when one person will get in line and then wave their entire tour group over to get in line with them and that irks me.

My biggest irk? When someone behind me wants to cut to ride with the person in front of me. Seriously? You can't wait for me to go by? "That's our friend in front of you, we want to ride with them!" Well, they can wait for you. It's not a life or death situation.

I think a lot of it depends on the way the queue is set up, too. If you don't have to squeeze past people, sending one person for food or slipping out to go potty isn't a big deal. If you're inside - like TSMM - its beyond annoying.

However, people can spit out their opinions all they want but the truth is - it only matters what WDW is going to care about. You're not likely to not get hired for a job because the person you cut in line at WDW remembers you.
 
I just have a few things to add here....

If you use your FP's the right way and plan your rides accordingly, you really won't have to wait in terribly long lines at WDW. We usually go in the summer, since DH is teacher. (Busy season!) I don't think I've waited in a super long line since before FP. 30 minutes max maybe?

When I started going to Disney, I was a little kid in the 1980's. There was no fast pass. Now THERE was some long line-waiting! (Think easily waiting at least an hour for every ride.)

BUT, we were coached very well by our grandparents that part of going to Disney was waiting in line - that everyone had to wait their turn. Period. They reminded us long before our trips, right before our trips, and while we were on our trips. So even though we didn't love it, we knew that was just part of it. (We started going when I was 8 and my sister was 5, and we were just FINE with waiting because we had been taught that it was the normal part of Disney.)

I just feel like there are some parents (NOT all!!!) that don't want their kids to ever have to wait at all. Kids need to learn this skill!

On to the point of holding spots in line - it's not just a no-no at Disney. At our local amusement park (Dorney Park in Allentown) they have signs everywhere about no line jumping - you're not allowed to save spots in line for any of the rides. I've not been to an amusement park that didn't have a similar rule. Little kids needing to pee? Well, that's an exception in my book, but that's it.

On one of our trips a couple years ago, we decided to finally try Disney Quest. We were waiting in line for the virtual Pirates ride. People kept getting in line to "meet up with their party." We barely moved for about 20 minutes, because more and more people kept "joining their party." Patience in waiting your turn is one thing, but when people keep getting in front of you - well, that's not cool.
 
nancyjane, please don't take offense to the following.

Dear mods, it might behoove y'all to create a parade, line and overall behavior etiquette board.

And nancyjane? No, it isn't right to hold places in line. And God save you from the answers that follow.

perfect response for this never ending question.
Off Topic Also love your new signature...... and I totally agree! Got to meet him a few years ago at All Star Race. :love:
 

I don't believe in line holding for any reason. If you have to go to the restroom or whatever, you need to go to the end of the line. If you want to experience the attraction, you need to stand in line for the entire time just like everyone else

So you're saying that I'm in line for 90 minutes and my 7 month old explodes and needs a diaper change that I should change her diaper in the line or leave my family and wait for them till the show is over. As a mom of 2 I would think you would have some compassion.

:hug:
 
this is the dumbest thing I have heard in a while....think about it....if you have ten people at different spots in front of you in the line and they are all waiting (holding a space in line)for the rest of their parties, then by the time they all catch up there are 90 more people in front of you, in which case the line would have been much longer when you arrived at it and you may have decided you didn't want to wait and go do something else.

Exactly. People resent line cutters because line cutters are stealing, not just time, but also information, from others. At Disney, people choose to wait in a line because they believe the line will take x-amount of time, based on how long the line is. If they knew that ten, twenty, or more people were going to shove in front of them, they might not have made that choice. They agreed to one thing, but they get another.

I suspect, from my experience, that the reason people in situations like the U2 concert described earlier don't mind people coming and going is that you still can get a very good idea of where you are in line. Most places I've been where you're waiting for hours like that, first off you're talking rabid fans who are going to have a good time whatever their seat, and secondly either there's someone official keeping track of how many "invisible" people there are (so they can cut the line off if it reaches capacity), or you can do it yourself by walking down the line and asking everyone how many people they're standing in for.
 
I would like to make a comment regarding the line...this isn't a line, but August of 09 I found a seat for my 8 year old great niece for the 3pm parade. Several of us I might add did this..well, just shortly before the parade arrived to us(near frontierland) we were told to move!! Yep, after sitting for an hour or so, a CM told us we had to move as we were in the "handicap" spot..well..we moved, but, we were not happy, not just us but several people around us..why couldn't the CM ask us to move earlier in our wait???? There were NO signs telling us this area was for the handicap...we moved and had good seats,but, I purposely picked my spot...whoa never again, I will ask any CM before I park my behind down....there were other people there with ONE wheelchair.....so, my question is??? should any line, parade viewing be well marked??
 
why does anyone care what othe people think.. that is what baffles me

I don't know, I don't even normally post but for some reason this just really irked me. I'm not saying that I wouldn't get out of line to change my child or to go to the bathroom myself because of her quote. However if she happened to be at Disney in the same line as me and I was trying to get back to my family I would like her to be able to remember this point I'm trying to make.
I also think it's important to teach children patience but after reading the threads that I've been reading on the boards, I think some adults need to be taught patience.:confused3
 
I will accept the fact that the general consensus here is that it shouldn't be done. But I must say, the logic is flawed. The point that everyone seems to be making is: "how would you feel if 10 additional people all of a sudden jumped in front of you and put you further behind in the line?" Well...you would be in EXACTLY the same place if those 10 people had been in front of you all along. You are not negatively impacted by their presence, irrespective of whether they appear one minute before you join the line or whether they appear one minute before the line starts to move.

Let's look at an example. You choose to see two consecutive performances of F!. At the first performance, you arrive two hours before the show and get in line. A group of 10 people arrived 5 seconds before you and are immediately in front of you, and they are the first ones in line. You are the 11th person in line. For the second performance you arrive two hours before the show and get in line. A group of 10 people arrived 5 seconds before you but they leave only one "scout" to hold their place and he is immediately in front of you. He is the first person in line. Had the entire group stayed, you would be 11th. But because 9 of them left, it appears that you are now second. However, 15 minutes before the line begins to move, the other 9 reappear and you are now 11th in line, same as you would have been had the other people stayed. Your place in line hasn't changed. Only your perception of it.

Now, for those of you who say: "Yeah, but those 9 people got to have fun while I didn't." That argument only works if you are traveling solo, which most people do not do. Everyone has an equal opportunity to engage in the same behavior. If it were "generally acceptable behavior" and everyone did it, no one would mind. It is only the people who think that this is wrong and refuse to participate who do not benefit. The better solution is for everyone to have a "gentleman's agreement" that standing in lines for hours at a time is an inefficient use of time and that place holding is acceptable. Once everyone came to that consensus, we would all come to realize that place holding is actually far preferable to line waiting, especially when children are involved.

We do this every day. When we go to the movies, one person waits in line and buys all the tickets. Otherwise, the lines would wind themselves out the door of the theater. While one person waits in line for tickets, another person goes to the concession stand and buys all the food. No one has ever complained about this system. In many situations, the entity in charge of the line will hand out placeholder numbers or wristbands and tell everyone to come back at a specific time, lining up in accordance with their number. This would work just fine with F!. People could appear any time up to 2 hours before the show and get a number. Then, 30 minutes before the show, everyone would reappear and line up in order. "What number are you? 57? Oh. OK. I'm 62, so I must be just a little bit behind you." My guess is that no one here would complain about such a situation. But the "scout" placeholder system is EXACTLY the same thing, only it is self-implemented and not "sanctioned by the park" and as a result, people seem to think it is wrong.

I would suggest that we use the power of this board to shift the way we all think. If we ALL could reach the consesus that placeholding is more efficient and more enjoyable, and everyone did it, then no one would feel offended or cheated when it happended.

Great minds think alike.
 
Did those 10 carts belong to people who were already ahead of you, or were they people who were behind you seeking to gain an advantage? That makes all the difference in the world.

Not in THIS world -- your spaceship landed a while ago, and the rules of whatever planet you're from don't apply here.

Guess what... if they aren't physically in front of me when I get in line, they might as well never have been. It's called "you move, you lose." You leave the line, you give up your spot to the person behind. The idea that you are somehow entitled to cut ahead of me just because one person in your party is in line in front of me is totally ridiculous. As many others have said, that member of your party is free to stand in place and let others pass them as you catch up.

The ONLY time I'll entertain letting someone cut in front of me is to return after a bio-emergency.
 
This makes perfect sense to me. I guess I don't mind if someone holds a place for someone else. I think it is silly for everyone to have to wait in line but we do do it just because it is the acceptable thing to do.

I will accept the fact that the general consensus here is that it shouldn't be done. But I must say, the logic is flawed. The point that everyone seems to be making is: "how would you feel if 10 additional people all of a sudden jumped in front of you and put you further behind in the line?" Well...you would be in EXACTLY the same place if those 10 people had been in front of you all along. You are not negatively impacted by their presence, irrespective of whether they appear one minute before you join the line or whether they appear one minute before the line starts to move.

Let's look at an example. You choose to see two consecutive performances of F!. At the first performance, you arrive two hours before the show and get in line. A group of 10 people arrived 5 seconds before you and are immediately in front of you, and they are the first ones in line. You are the 11th person in line. For the second performance you arrive two hours before the show and get in line. A group of 10 people arrived 5 seconds before you but they leave only one "scout" to hold their place and he is immediately in front of you. He is the first person in line. Had the entire group stayed, you would be 11th. But because 9 of them left, it appears that you are now second. However, 15 minutes before the line begins to move, the other 9 reappear and you are now 11th in line, same as you would have been had the other people stayed. Your place in line hasn't changed. Only your perception of it.

Now, for those of you who say: "Yeah, but those 9 people got to have fun while I didn't." That argument only works if you are traveling solo, which most people do not do. Everyone has an equal opportunity to engage in the same behavior. If it were "generally acceptable behavior" and everyone did it, no one would mind. It is only the people who think that this is wrong and refuse to participate who do not benefit. The better solution is for everyone to have a "gentleman's agreement" that standing in lines for hours at a time is an inefficient use of time and that place holding is acceptable. Once everyone came to that consensus, we would all come to realize that place holding is actually far preferable to line waiting, especially when children are involved.

We do this every day. When we go to the movies, one person waits in line and buys all the tickets. Otherwise, the lines would wind themselves out the door of the theater. While one person waits in line for tickets, another person goes to the concession stand and buys all the food. No one has ever complained about this system. In many situations, the entity in charge of the line will hand out placeholder numbers or wristbands and tell everyone to come back at a specific time, lining up in accordance with their number. This would work just fine with F!. People could appear any time up to 2 hours before the show and get a number. Then, 30 minutes before the show, everyone would reappear and line up in order. "What number are you? 57? Oh. OK. I'm 62, so I must be just a little bit behind you." My guess is that no one here would complain about such a situation. But the "scout" placeholder system is EXACTLY the same thing, only it is self-implemented and not "sanctioned by the park" and as a result, people seem to think it is wrong.

I would suggest that we use the power of this board to shift the way we all think. If we ALL could reach the consesus that placeholding is more efficient and more enjoyable, and everyone did it, then no one would feel offended or cheated when it happended.
 
The ONLY time I'll entertain letting someone cut in front of me is to return after a bio-emergency.

So you quiz people on why they left the line, then decide whether it meets your standard of "bio-emergency?"

Kinda creepy, if you ask me.
 
I must admit that I thought it was ok to let my DH take the children off to get a hot dog whilst I waited for fantasmic - but is that a no no too?? (I am worried that my two small boys will be a nightmare queueing too long for fantasmic and thought eating might take their mind off of it!!)

I haven't done it - but thought it would be ok to do in Dec - if not I won't!!!:goodvibes

there are counters to buy food INSIDE the fantasmic theater for this reason. also, to buy drinks (incl, beer), bathrooms, adn DSAs!!!(yay!)
so, we ALL wait in line. together. once we have our seats, a couple people (or in hubby and my case, one person) saves the SEATS, while someone gets hot dogs, popcorn, goes to the bathroom, goeas for a smoke etc.)
for beer, you have to take turns, as they will only give one beer per person(for obvious reasons).
so, for fantasmic, youcan wait in line together, and get your seats first. THEN do all that other stuff.
 
this thread is hilarious.. how do some of you exist in the real world? i feel bad for your children
 
I was thinking of doing the same for our upcoming trip for Fantasmic. I was hoping to have DH walk around with DD who is 13 months and has been walking for almost 2 months and does not like to sit still. I was hpoing DH could walk around with her and meet up with DS and I at Fantasmic close to the start of the show. Is this also frowned upon so I know for our upcoming trip. Would not like a bunch of people upset with us. Hate tension!!!

good luck trying to find each other!!!
 
I THOUGHT it was ok to have like my whole family start standing in the fastpass line while I sent my husband (just one husband, lol) over to the machine thing to get the actual passes and then we let him pop in when he got them. In a nutshell, all but one stand in line. BUT.....Oh boy, did I see how wrong I was about that:scared1: These people are hard core about their rides and parades. That's really really ok and I get it, really I do, but as a complete newbie I honestly didn't know. .
well, you can't stand in the fastpass line without fast passes. but, if you mean, wait for him in the stand by line, while he gets fast passes for later.. the problem is this:

I will accept the fact that the general consensus here is that it shouldn't be done. But I must say, the logic is flawed. The point that everyone seems to be making is: "how would you feel if 10 additional people all of a sudden jumped in front of you and put you further behind in the line?" Well...you would be in EXACTLY the same place if those 10 people had been in front of you all along. You are not negatively impacted by their presence, irrespective of whether they appear one minute before you join the line or whether they appear one minute before the line starts to move.

. Your place in line hasn't changed. Only your perception of it.

.

my PERCEPTION of the line is what makes me choose WHETHER OR NOT TO GET IN IT! or to get a fast pass. or bypass the ride/show altogether, maybe hope to ride it later or on another day.

(and the CMS PERCEPTION of the line helps determine the posted wait time, which also helps me choose whether or not to wait)

it does NOT matter if my wait time would have been the same, because it would NOT have. I would not have even been IN the line if I knew that for every 5 people. there were going to be 9 more people in front of me!
 
WHAAAAT? Well, that would mean that rather than have my family join me in line, they simply walk in once the gates are open and join me where I am saving actual seats for them? That makes a moot point out of the whole spot saving issue since "They actually announced that ...they understood some were saving seats and that was ok". Are you sure you heard that? Has anyone else? I have never been to F! so cannot say. Sounds dangerous.

you all get in line together and enter the theater together, get seats together. THEN, you can take turnsnto get food, go to the restroom, etc. this is why they have food and drink booths and restrooms INSIDE the theater. (they are counting the people entering the theater.)

if part of your group enters and gets seat (and saves seats) there is NO guarantee that the rest of your party will make it INTO the theater.
 
I took my niece a few weeks ago to WDW

She wanted to see the fairies and the princesses. While we waited in the fairy line we saw other families split up. One parent would take the kids and go see the princesses and then they would join the other parent in the fairy line. So those families were done both lines in about the time it took us to do the fairy line.

When we found out that they had switched fairies and now had different ones that we hadn't see the previous two times we got in line as soon as we were done the princess line. By the time we made it up to the front of the fairy line they had switched again-we were told it would be an hour wait. Since we had already waited an hour, we waited again. We were not allowed to leave and come back in an hour. We couldn't even go to the bathroom, get food or anything else. We were frozen after waiting 3 hrs in the air-conditioned area.
 















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