Line etiquette - holding spots

[enyaj40]

well, you can't stand in the fastpass line without fast passes. but, if you mean, wait for him in the stand by line, while he gets fast passes for later.. the problem is this:



my PERCEPTION of the line is what makes me choose WHETHER OR NOT TO GET IN IT! or to get a fast pass. or bypass the ride/show altogether, maybe hope to ride it later or on another day.

(and the CMS PERCEPTION of the line helps determine the posted wait time, which also helps me choose whether or not to wait)

it does NOT matter if my wait time would have been the same, because it would NOT have. I would not have even been IN the line if I knew that for every 5 people. there were going to be 9 more people in front of me!

Yep. No control of the lines is why I've only been to Universal one time.

 

[eeyoresnr]

there are counters to buy food INSIDE the fantasmic theater for this reason. also, to buy drinks (incl, beer), bathrooms, adn DSAs!!!(yay!)
so, we ALL wait in line. together. once we have our seats, a couple people (or in hubby and my case, one person) saves the SEATS, while someone gets hot dogs, popcorn, goes to the bathroom, goeas for a smoke etc.)
for beer, you have to take turns, as they will only give one beer per person(for obvious reasons).
so, for fantasmic, youcan wait in line together, and get your seats first. THEN do all that other stuff.

it's been years since we did fantasmic...at what time do they let you in to sit down for the show, and how long before do people start lining up? thanks

 

[SFRN97]

good luck trying to find each other!!!

We would have no problem finding each other as we would have waited together to get in and would find our seats then DH would go off with the baby until the show started..

 

[mom of2]

So you're saying that I'm in line for 90 minutes and my 7 month old explodes and needs a diaper change that I should change her diaper in the line or leave my family and wait for them till the show is over. As a mom of 2 I would think you would have some compassion.

Do what Disney wants you to do-Ask a CM. If they let you back in that is fine but if not go to the end of the line. How do the people farther back know that you had to take your child to the restroom? They think you are line jumping. At Cedar Point in Ohio if you get out of line for any reason and try to get back into your spot you can be removed from the park.

 

[luvlife]

Do what Disney wants you to do-Ask a CM. If they let you back in that is fine but if not go to the end of the line. How do the people farther back know that you had to take your child to the restroom? They think you are line jumping. At Cedar Point in Ohio if you get out of line for any reason and try to get back into your spot you can be removed from the park.

Exactly how would anyone know if I asked a CM? For that fact, who would know if I lied to the CM and decided to run to Soarin real quick with my fast pass that expired
I understand the rules and I have made my children wait with me at all times when we are in line whether it be at the local Six Flags, Sesame Street place, playground etc.
There is no reason someone shouldn't be allowed to use the restroom and return to their family.
As stated in pp the rules at disney are the same at your Cedar Point, I hope you have a hidden stash of pixie dust because I think you're setting yourself up for a lot of dissapointments in life.

 

[shalom]

my PERCEPTION of the line is what makes me choose WHETHER OR NOT TO GET IN IT! or to get a fast pass. or bypass the ride/show altogether, maybe hope to ride it later or on another day.

I have to wonder if the people who see no problem with line cutting are people who'd go whatever the length of the line. All the situations I've been in where cutting was tolerated by most, you knew you were going to be waiting for hours from the git go, so another ten or twenty minutes to get in the door wasn't a big deal. You've already made the choice to wait however long it takes, because what's at the end of the line is that valuable to you. You're in your home town and most likely you're not missing anything else by making that choice - no matter how long the line, the same options will be open to you once you get out of it.

At WDW, however, for most people every line they get into is a choice between multiple possibilities, and the time you spend in line is time you don't get to do something else you rarely have access to. It's only if (1) you consider waiting in line part of the joy of the whole experience, or (2) if you want the experience you're waiting for so much it doesn't matter what other WDW rides or experiences you're missing to get to it, that you wouldn't care about someone choosing to make your wait longer than you "agreed" on when getting in line. (Well, at least those are the only reasons I can think of. )

It's a drag when you wait in line and the ride goes down, but it isn't someone choosing to put their wants ahead of yours or to deliberately rob you of information so you can make the best choice possible for yourself. People who get on rides and then try to push their way up to their friend who is "saving" their place in line are demanding the right to make their own choices about how long they're willing to wait, while denying the other people in line the right to make that same choice.

 

[caroline1851]

I sometimes let my mother take my daughter out of the non-moving princess/fairy line in Toontown to browse in the attached store while I wait. I don't see the big deal -- doesn't matter how many people in my party are physically waiting, there's still going to be just one kid getting a pic taken with the princesses.

I don't see a problem with this at all. Or if I was in line and a family was in front of me and the young child was having a meltdown from waiting, i would have no problem with them taking the kid out to keep them busy and then coming back and meeting up with their group. It just doesn't matter to me. Oh, maybe i have to wait 30 more seconds. Who cares, it's justnot that big of a deal.

 

[mom of2]

Exactly how would anyone know if I asked a CM? For that fact, who would know if I lied to the CM and decided to run to Soarin real quick with my fast pass that expired
I understand the rules and I have made my children wait with me at all times when we are in line whether it be at the local Six Flags, Sesame Street place, playground etc.
There is no reason someone shouldn't be allowed to use the restroom and return to their family.
As stated in pp the rules at disney are the same at your Cedar Point, I hope you have a hidden stash of pixie dust because I think you're setting yourself up for a lot of dissapointments in life.

Nope no reason to have pixie dust-no disappointments in life-I know that people want to bend the rules and are rude-I just think they are jerks and don't let them line cut and enjoy the rest of my day!

And the rules are not the same at Disney and CP-At CP you CAN"T ask to get out of line and get back in-you either stay in or you get out.

 

[luvlife]

Nope no reason to have pixie dust-no disappointments in life-I know that people want to bend the rules and are rude-I just think they are jerks and don't let them line cut and enjoy the rest of my day!

And the rules are not the same at Disney and CP-At CP you CAN"T ask to get out of line and get back in-you either stay in or you get out.

You're absolutely right, I will just change my child's diaper while waiting in line. I just wanted to make sure that is what we should do. If we have any problems doing so I will just refer them to you

I knew I could count on someone for showing me the right way to do things, disney style

 

[mom of2]

You're absolutely right, I will just change my child's diaper while waiting in line. I just wanted to make sure that is what we should do. If we have any problems doing so I will just refer them to you

I knew I could count on someone for showing me the right way to do things, disney style

Disney says you have to ask the CM if you will be allowed to get back in line. PERIOD I didn't make the rules, I just follow them!

From what I read somewhere else, if you are not in the fastpass line they might give your group a fastpass and if the ride doesn't have fastpass then you go to the END OF THE LINE

 

[Sassagoula Billy]

And maybe Sophia will be just the CM to ask!

 

[secretpantssam]

And maybe Sophia will be just the CM to ask!

 

[luvlife]

Disney says you have to ask the CM if you will be allowed to get back in line. PERIOD I didn't make the rules, I just follow them!

From what I read somewhere else, if you are not in the fastpass line they might give your group a fastpass and if the ride doesn't have fastpass then you go to the END OF THE LINE

There are no fastpassess for Fantasmic.

I'm very happy to hear you follow the rules, don't forget that most other people do also.

My concern is that you are not taking into consideration the fact that sometimes things happen. If my family and I are waiting in the line for Fantasmic or Candlelight Procession for 90 minutes and the baby has a big accident then what. I follow Disney protocol ask a CM they say sure go ahead to the restroom. I try to get to my family and then officer momof2 stops me and says I can't get by. Who is that helping? Who made you Disney police?

I for one will probably not be able to take the kid's back to Disney for quite a few years and would hate to have someone seperate myself from my family for their own selfish reasons.

Honestly, I'm going to stop now. I don't know why I'm letting you bother me so much, for some reason it just bothers me so much to hear someone with such little compassion.

Just remember, you get what you give

 

[dburg30]

WHAAAAT? Well, that would mean that rather than have my family join me in line, they simply walk in once the gates are open and join me where I am saving actual seats for them? That makes a moot point out of the whole spot saving issue since "They actually announced that ...they understood some were saving seats and that was ok". Are you sure you heard that? Has anyone else? I have never been to F! so cannot say. Sounds dangerous.

Yep, heard it plain as day. It was when the actual CM's would walk up and down the stairs and tell people to scoot to the other end as much as possible. And they said if you are saving seats it's fine, but please dont just leave a lot of space between if you werent using it. I had actually gotten a spot about 1/2 way up the bowl right next to the reserved section, so I was already at the end But I heard many people talking on their phones saying "we're in the sebastion section, row R" or whatever it was. Saw no fights or comments or anything and all the spots filled in.

EDIT: Now this is talking about actually IN the seating. Not in line. Just so we are clear.

 

[Teri1]

On our last trip to WDW I was in line at RnRC at DHS and the ride was delayed and the 30 min. wait became an hour and I had to leave the line for the restroom. DH told me people would not let me back in line, so I asked the CM at the beginning of the line if I could join my husband in line and he said as long as a member of the party was still in line I could re-join him. I don't understand why people on this site get so upset over these things. A little bit of kindness goes a long way. Even while we were waiting to go on the ride in the HM at MK they tell you fill in all available space and go around anyone just standing there and fill in the spaces. They do this on other rides as well. Some people are used to standing in lines single file and they don't get the way Disney can move large groups of people. I always go around these people and not stop and slow down progress.

 

[Shock13]

On our last trip to WDW I was in line at RnRC at DHS and the ride was delayed and the 30 min. wait became an hour and I had to leave the line for the restroom. DH told me people would not let me back in line, so I asked the CM at the beginning of the line if I could join my husband in line and he said as long as a member of the party was still in line I could re-join him. I don't understand why people on this site get so upset over these things. A little bit of kindness goes a long way

I agree.
I know that most people on here will say "Disney policy states blah blah blah" but I would bet most CM's would be willing to let this happen. They have better things to do than be the line-cutter police.

 

[Joy1619]

Do what Disney wants you to do-Ask a CM. If they let you back in that is fine but if not go to the end of the line. How do the people farther back know that you had to take your child to the restroom? They think you are line jumping. At Cedar Point in Ohio if you get out of line for any reason and try to get back into your spot you can be removed from the park.

Who cares what 'they think'? Who the heck are they to monitor every single person in line? Why is it their business if your child needed to go to the bathroom? I'm sorry, I'm a general rule-follower, but you are just going too far. It is ridiculous. You are not cutting. You are not being rude. You are not off enjoying yourself for an hour while others wait in line. You are taking your CHILD to the BATHROOM because that is the smart/responsible/parental thing to do, and it should be NO BIG DEAL to anyone else that you left for 10 minutes to do that! Honestly! I just can't believe anyone would go around with this attitude, it's actually bothersome. Maybe people should mind their own business once in a while!

my PERCEPTION of the line is what makes me choose WHETHER OR NOT TO GET IN IT! or to get a fast pass. or bypass the ride/show altogether, maybe hope to ride it later or on another day.

(and the CMS PERCEPTION of the line helps determine the posted wait time, which also helps me choose whether or not to wait)

I thought they gave people in line the 'tags' that those people then handed to the CMs at the front to track the wait times for lines? I didn't think it was set by CMs just 'eyeballing' the line and making a guess at the wait?

 

[sandym718]

I sometimes let my mother take my daughter out of the non-moving princess/fairy line in Toontown to browse in the attached store while I wait. I don't see the big deal -- doesn't matter how many people in my party are physically waiting, there's still going to be just one kid getting a pic taken with the princesses.

I disagree with this... to a point. I did notice that you said "out of the...line", meaning that they were once in it. That helps, and if I were behind you in line, I probably wouldn't care if you left and then came back. To be fair, I think that should only be for emergency bathroom purposes, but, regardless, I don't get bothered if people with young children leave a line and come back - IF they were in it in the first place.

However, I HAVE experienced this at the Fairy line where folks did not join the line and came later - and let me tell you it was NOT fun. DD and I went right at Toontown RD. Followed the mass of people to the line and got in it. Not too long, OK. Well, over the next 45 minutes, that line got SO much longer. Turns out many of the parties split up to have someone go park the stroller, walk around the store, etc. And the number of people in front of us doubled, I'm sure, if not more. And here's the thing - they were Definitely taking groups back based on the number of PEOPLE (not kids) in the party. For example, the family in front of us was large - they went in alone. DD and I went in with 2 other families. I saw them counting off as they let groups in. So all those other folks joining the line DID significantly impact our wait and our experience.

To resolve that, one of 2 things could have happened. The family member(s) choosing not to join the line with the party could have remained out of line. I understand that many want to experience that WITH their child though. So then the other option is that they all join the line together. Then, DD and I (and all the others) would have known/seen the TRUE length of the line and could have made a better decision as to whether or not to wait.

Going back to your example, though, if I were behind you, as I said above, I wouldn't have a problem with it. That's because I KNOW you were there to begin with, though. What about people much farther back, though - they don't know that. All they know is you just made the line longer than what it was when THEY got in line. Again, if many families do this - the line can double!! And who's to say what families should be allowed and which not. That's why I really feel it's best to keep this an option only for a bathroom sort of emergency (and again, once you're already IN the line)

 

[JimmyV]

Not in THIS world -- your spaceship landed a while ago, and the rules of whatever planet you're from don't apply here.

...It's called "you move, you lose." You leave the line, you give up your spot to the person behind. ...The ONLY time I'll entertain letting someone cut in front of me is to return after a bio-emergency.

Perhaps you are right. Maybe we are from different worlds. Let’s take a look at how things work in these different worlds.

You go to a movie theater. In front of you in line are a young man and woman on a date. The man says to the woman: “There is no sense in both of waiting in this long line. You should go get the popcorn and re-join me in line when you are done. She leaves and returns 10 minutes later and seeks to re-join her date in line. Inasmuch as you detect no bio-emergency, you inform her that getting back in line is rude and improper, and suggest that she go to the back of the line. In my world, she re-joins the line without issue.

On the way home from the theater you stop off at the grocery store. You head for the deli where they have a “take a number” system. The woman in front of you takes number 77. You pull off number 78. You look up and see that they are now serving number 34. You wait for 20 minutes at the counter watching the deli worker slice everyone else’s bologna. The woman who was in front of you decides to use her time more efficiently and do some shopping. She comes back 15 minutes later with her cart half full of groceries, but in plenty of time to hear her number called. Sensing no bio-emergency, you tell her that she is being rude and that by leaving the deli area to shop, she has forfeited her place in line and must take a new number. In my world, she places her order without incident.

Finished shopping, you take your cart to the front of the store. The check-out lines are packed. You are fourth in line. In front of you is a couple with a full cart of groceries. The wife says to the husband: "Oh dear. We forgot the milk.” The husband says: “Don’t worry dear. You hold our place in line and stay with the cart. I will go get the milk and come back.” When the man returns, you ask him if he has had a bio-emergency. He looks at you with frightened confusion. You then tell him that it is rude and improper for his wife to have saved his place in line, so he should take his milk and retreat to the back of the line. In my world, the man reconnects with his wife and they check out in front of me.

And finally, in your latest trip to WDW, you are in line for Fantasmic. The family in front of you consists of a father, his wife who is 8 months pregnant, ten year-old Timmy who broke his ankle playing soccer and walks with crutches, and 5 year old Cindy who is fidgety and cannot stay still for 10 minutes let alone an hour and a half. The father says to his wife: “Honey, why don’t you and the kids get out of line and go sit down somewhere. You are exhausted. Timmy’s foot is swollen and Cindy is bothering everyone around her. I will call your cell 15 minutes before the line is supposed to move and you can re-join me in line.” When the mother and her two children seek to re-join the father in front of you, you tell them that they are rude and should go to the back of the line. In my world, I scoot back a foot or two and let the family back in line.

In my world, if I am the 1,000th person in line, I don’t give a rat’s ‘you-know-what’ what the 999 people in front of me do, as long as when the gates open, I am no more than the 1,000th person let in the door. In your world, somehow, what others do bothers you, even if what they do does not impact your ultimate outcome.

Indeed, we are from two different worlds. I hope I never have to live in yours.

 

[brerdawg]

I was thinking we could have one person hold everyone's space on long lines (e.g. for Fantasmic), so that the others could do something else during the wait. We could take turns. Is this normal behavior or is it considered rude at Disney?

Is it even possible to find someone in long line, or could they be inside or out of sight?

I don't think it would be a problem if someone in your party had to use the restroom.