Line cutting and fast pass problems...

[disneyworldluvr349]

A "valid reason" would be the examples that were just listed. That is what I was trying to say, Family members saving a spot for someone who couldn't stand for a long time or for someone who had to relieve themselves is not considered line cutting as I said before. Twenty people should not cut in line and I am sure that if they did more that a few people and CM's would notice and be able to step in.

 

[JVL1018]

Vicki, I have been agreeing with several of your posts. My DH is the fastpass runner, and we wait for him to get on a ride (unless it's a ride he's not going on).

It is linecutting to do so otherwise, and I wouldn't do that to other people. I don't get this entitlement that makes people think it's fine for them to do so.

 

[MassMom94]

It's interesting to see two VERY different points of view about the FP situation. Meaning, my DH, DD and DS join a line while I run elsewhere to get a FP, then join them. I don't see a problem. For instance, if the line were only 5 minutes long, they could just wait until I get there anyway. If the line is long, then people behind would have waited just as long as if I had been there the whole time. And after all, surely it wouldn't take more than 10 or 15 minutes to get the FP and return, so it's not like they would be ready to board the ride.

Your perspective is that just one more person joined the line ahead, so it has no impact. The other perspective is that if your party had waited at the entrance for you and not entered the line, that would be four people who weren't ahead of my family in line. Your family ahead of me may cause me to be bumped to the next ride cycle (e.g., Dumbo, Astro Orbiter, Soarin'). And you may have delayed me on something like Space Mountain or TT. Well, no big deal if it's only you "rejoining your party," but just imagine if every family did this? I wouldn't be bumped one ride cycle, I could be bumped many.

My theory is that Disney and most guests in line tolerate this because there aren't a significant number of guests who do it. If there were, complaints might increase and something might be done. There were so many complaints at Six Flag parks that they do seem to be increasing enforcement of their "no cut, I don't care about your reason" policy. Same was true when I was at Cedar Point a couple years ago. They've even put this in writing.

Keep in mind, while some of you lucky DW guests return every year, or even several times a year, other of us are not so fortunate. My family and I will be going in Thanksgiving. I know it will be crowded, but it's the only time we can manage to go, and we can not afford to go for another 4-5 years. Therefore, I don't have the luxury of saying "Oh, this line is too long. I'll just skip this attraction and see it next week/month."

Well, this illustrates "I'm exceptional, rules don't apply to me" thinking that I see not only at WDW but in other settings these days. Is this really the lesson you want to be teaching your kids? We are going to WDW two years in a row, but that's not typical and we probably won't be back again for at least 3 -4 years. I think most WDW guests are in the same boat - it's definitely true of the people I know IRL. Sorry you can't come every year, but I don't think that's a valid reason to do what you're doing.

 

[Timon_n_Pumba]

Because you left the line!!!! How is that hard to understand you leave the line you come back and get in the back again. On those same notes why should my group be penalized by having another person in front of use that wasn't there.
Penalties come from actions and in this case the action was leaving the line and the penalty is starting again. Don't leave the line now that's common sense.

Hypothetical:

The standby line for _________ is 45 minutes, and my family arrives in line just ahead of yours. We all wait together, inching forward, for around half an hour. Suddenly, my youngest DS (whom we asked before getting on line if he had to go, but who also has the typical bladder of a toddler, and we have been waiting half an hour) has to go to the restroom. DW or myself take him, ducking under the rope, and return immediately thereafter.

We have been waiting just as long as your family has, but are you honestly saying that you think because we took a child to the bathroom after waiting for 1/2 hour that we should now go to the end of the line?

Just curious, not trying to be inflammatory, really.

Best Regards,

Scott in MO

 

[sdzman]

Actually yes. Why do parties with children think there is a different set of rules for them?

Why should I get a line that looks like it should take about a 30 minute wait to find that 20% of the line is in the restroom, changing the wait time to 50 mins.....?

 

[Arvandor_Ilfirin]

If you allow this for little Johnny wet pants and his mommy then others take advantage of it.

I'm sorry but the line "little Johnny wet pants " just made me spit soda all over my monitor at work.

 

[DisneyDadof3]

Actually yes. Why do parties with children think there is a different set of rules for them?

Why should I get a line that looks like it should take about a 30 minute wait to find that 20% of the line is in the restroom, changing the wait time to 50 mins.....?

I think you just justified why fastpass is so awesome - no waiting. I can walk up and ride the ride without the possibility of waiting in line and having kids that need to go to the restroom.

 

[jerry557]

Hypothetical:

The standby line for _________ is 45 minutes, and my family arrives in line just ahead of yours. We all wait together, inching forward, for around half an hour. Suddenly, my youngest DS (whom we asked before getting on line if he had to go, but who also has the typical bladder of a toddler, and we have been waiting half an hour) has to go to the restroom. DW or myself take him, ducking under the rope, and return immediately thereafter.

We have been waiting just as long as your family has, but are you honestly saying that you think because we took a child to the bathroom after waiting for 1/2 hour that we should now go to the end of the line?

Just curious, not trying to be inflammatory, really.

Best Regards,

Scott in MO

Disney probably won't care...but there are a number of people in line behind you that probably will have a problem with that.

 

[fumipappa]

Actually I don't see the problem IF you follow minimum rule. The rule is to wait for the person who left the line for emergency reason AT THE PLACE ON THE LINE THEY LEFT, meaning let other people go forward until they come back to line. I may be wrong...

Disney probably won't care...but there are a number of people in line behind you that probably will have a problem with that.

Hypothetical:

The standby line for _________ is 45 minutes, and my family arrives in line just ahead of yours. We all wait together, inching forward, for around half an hour. Suddenly, my youngest DS (whom we asked before getting on line if he had to go, but who also has the typical bladder of a toddler, and we have been waiting half an hour) has to go to the restroom. DW or myself take him, ducking under the rope, and return immediately thereafter.

We have been waiting just as long as your family has, but are you honestly saying that you think because we took a child to the bathroom after waiting for 1/2 hour that we should now go to the end of the line?

Just curious, not trying to be inflammatory, really.

Best Regards,

Scott in MO

 

[a Really Bad Egg]

Actually I don't see the problem IF you follow minimum rule. The rule is to wait for the person who left the line for emergency reason AT THE PLACE ON THE LINE THEY LEFT, meaning let other people go forward until they come back to line. I may be wrong...

I've never heard of this...but saw the exact thing happen just two days ago!

 

[Disney Von Drake]

Actually I don't see the problem IF you follow minimum rule. The rule is to wait for the person who left the line for emergency reason AT THE PLACE ON THE LINE THEY LEFT, meaning let other people go forward until they come back to line. I may be wrong...

They've got rules for line cutting now? If they need to leave the line for an emergency, they won't be coming back.

 

[fumipappa]

I am sorry I did not mean the rule from Disney, I meant the rule as manner/courtesy of people

 

[Disney Von Drake]

Actually yes. Why do parties with children think there is a different set of rules for them?

Because...it takes a village. All guests at WDW must share in the bathroom habit training of all the children in line...

 

[Katnmouse]

If all people in the party are in line and someone has to leave the line for the bathroom etc. then I have no problem with them coming BACK. It is the people who send a "scout" ahead to secure a place while everyone else takes care of last minute business (stroller parking, fast pass getting etc.) then tries to join the "scout" up the line that I take issue with. Everyone needs to enter the line together...period. Slow ones, fast ones, big ones, little ones...you wait until all are together before you enter the line.

 

[kimluvswdw]

We had an ugly altercation at Big Thunder with a line cutter and the CM actually gave us fastpasses to come back and ride again later. That was nice of her.

 

[a Really Bad Egg]

We had an ugly altercation at Big Thunder with a line cutter and the CM actually gave us fastpasses to come back and ride again later. That was nice of her.

And what became of the line cutter?

 

[carmiedog]

Actually I don't see the problem IF you follow minimum rule. The rule is to wait for the person who left the line for emergency reason AT THE PLACE ON THE LINE THEY LEFT, meaning let other people go forward until they come back to line. I may be wrong...

I agree 100% that this is about as fair as you can get for everyone in line. The family doesn't lost the time already invested waiting in line, but doesn't "advance" without the entire party present.

In line for Dumbo at the start of the day, I had to go - AGAIN - thanks to my IBB (itty bitty bladder). I told dh I didn't know if I could make it and I didn't know where the restroom was. A super nice guy in front of us pointed out the restroom to me and suggested dh wait there with the kids and let others pass by until I got back. I probably wouldn't have thought of it myself, but I think it's a great solution.

FTR, we were there April/May and I can't recall a single instance of anyone line cutting the entire week - either blatantly or to go to the restroom, etc. - other than my own Dumbo re-entry. Either we were lucky or I was just too giddy to be there that I didn't notice!

 

[CPer'sMom]

Hypothetical:

The standby line for _________ is 45 minutes, and my family arrives in line just ahead of yours. We all wait together, inching forward, for around half an hour. Suddenly, my youngest DS (whom we asked before getting on line if he had to go, but who also has the typical bladder of a toddler, and we have been waiting half an hour) has to go to the restroom. DW or myself take him, ducking under the rope, and return immediately thereafter.

We have been waiting just as long as your family has, but are you honestly saying that you think because we took a child to the bathroom after waiting for 1/2 hour that we should now go to the end of the line?

You could get back into line in front of me, no problem! Your family has been waiting for the same amount of time as I have. So you got out of line to take your son to the restroom & came back ~ You certainly didn't push me back any further. I'm in the same place I would have been if you had remained right in front of me for that few minutes you went off to the restroom.

 

[Timon_n_Pumba]

Actually yes. Why do parties with children think there is a different set of rules for them?

Why should I get a line that looks like it should take about a 30 minute wait to find that 20% of the line is in the restroom, changing the wait time to 50 mins.....?

You're missing the point.

We both got into line at the same time, my family in front of yours. The wait time when we entered the line was X minutes. How does my child and me leaving the line to go to the bathroom and then returning increase your wait?

Oh, wait, I think I get it. You think that because my child has to go to the bathroom, that you and your party are entitled to take his/her spot. Why do parties without children think there is a different set of rules for them?

Tell you what: given the above circumstance, I'll just clear it with the cast member if and when the situation should arise, and then you can tell the same CM that you think if two people ahead of you (one of them a toddler) get out of line for five minutes (or less) to go to the bathroom, then two members of your party should get to cut ahead of the rest of my party in their place...since that's essentially what would be happening.

Wonder what the CM will say?

Best Regards,

Scott in MO

 

[sdzman]

Wow, read your post back to yourself out loud. You sound like you have earned some great entitlement because you have children.

You are missing the point completely. If you bend the rules for potty breaks then you bend the rules for everyone....there is no way to enforce it partially. So cut down on the drinks and hit the restrooms in between rides.