lesbians need not apply

[Axel]

Don't try to talk about how people follow the bible inconsistently. I pointed out on another thread that there are many outdated views in the bible that we no longer follow, and that maybe the bible's view on homosexuality was yet another outdated view. There was no response except to tell me that the old testament doesn't count.

And I would agree with you that a great number of Bible verses don't apply today. In fact, I think pretty much most of the Bible is outdated. I don't follow a Christian religion because I thought the entire thing was outdated.

I'm just saying that this school is supposedly very strict on following the "Christian Conduct" rule that there are so many rules in Christianity that they are choosing not to follow.

People shoudl just accept that the Bible is the same as the Constitution- a living document meant to be interpreted many different ways until the one fairest to all parties is found.

Currently, this school seems to have not found that way.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

Just a thought...but what if this was an Islamic or a conservative Jewish school? I'm not familiar with Muslim or Jewish theology, but I believe that I've read that those faiths also have strict rules regarding sexual behavior.

 

[CowboyCO]

I love how "tolerance" has come to mean, "You have to respect my beliefs, but I will never respect yours"

 

[Goofyluver]

But we don't know that he hasn't also expelled students for "a bond of intimacy characteristic of a sexual relationship outside of marriage"

Until it's proven that these were the ONLY two students ever expelled for a sexual relationship per the code of conduct, we can't simply assume that ONLY homosexuals are subject to it.

I see where you're goin'.

But, I think the Pastor made it pretty clear where his head was at.

 

[DisneyWalker44]

Actually, I Corinthians 5 & Revelation 2 talks about removing the sexually immoral from the local church.

All the students in the school are sexually immoral. The straight sinners are allowed to stay. The gay sinners are kicked out. This isn't a religious or moral act. It's simple anti-gay bigotry.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

I see where you're goin'.

But, I think the Pastor made it pretty clear where his head was at.

I'm sure you do, and again I believe it's because of your passion for this issue. It's like the boss said to Brenda Lee on the Closer the other night "When you're a hammer, everything you see is a nail"

I'll readily admit that my experience has me giving this Pastor and the school the benefit of the doubt and I think your experiences and your passion are causing you to come at it from the complete opposite position. In the end, either of us might be right, we just don't know all the facts.

 

[jimmiej]

I'm just saying that this school is supposedly very strict on following the "Christian Conduct" rule that there are so many rules in Christianity that they are choosing not to follow.

How do you know they're not?

 

[Uncle Remus]

I love how "tolerance" has come to mean, "You have to respect my beliefs, but I will never respect yours"

Who respects ignorance, one might understand it, but not respect it.

Critical thinkers don't buy into the mass 'tolerance' thought, the
ability to distinguish right from wrong in a real world is an asset.

 

[DisneyWalker44]

According to the decision: "Its “Christian Conduct” rule provided that a
student could be expelled for engaging in immoral or scandalous conduct, whether on or off campus."

All students in the school have engaged in immoral or scandalous conduct. Every gay sinner is kicked out; most of the straight sinners aren't. Why treat gays different from straights?

 

[Sorsha]

All the students in the school are sexually immoral.

Not to stir the pot - no way no how, not me! - but this just illustrates my point waaaay back on page 16 (I think) of how my children are "educated" by conservative Christians every day even if I do not enroll them in a Christian school.
Conservative religions have been influencing society for so long now that my children are being taught subconsciously that sex outside of marriage is wrong. If it can be said that all the students in the school are sexually immoral, just who gets to make that judgenment call?
Myself, personally, I don't believe in the "rules" of the Christian religion governing sex. I believe sex is always a good, happy, powerful, beautiful thing, as long as it is between two consenting people over the age of 16 or so, you are taking care of your own body, and you never ever using sex to hurt someone else. So when do MY beliefs get to be respected??

Please understand that this is all slightly tongue in cheek. I really do believe this way, but don't really much care if no one else does.
But it serves to illustrate how hard it is to be someone who differs greatly from the mainstream religions in this country.

Someone, quick, take the big spoon away from me before i over-stir...

 

[Master Mason]

Who respects ignorance, one might understand it, but not respect it.

Critical thinkers don't buy into the mass 'tolerance' thought, the
ability to distinguish right from wrong in a real world is an asset.

Right and wrong on these issues are personal decsions, this isn't a math test with only one right answer.

And to think that "Critical thinkers" are only those that agree with your definition of right and wrong is the hight of arrogence to me.

 

[Goofyluver]

Who respects ignorance, one might understand it, but not respect it.

Critical thinkers don't buy into the mass 'tolerance' thought, the
ability to distinguish right from wrong in a real world is an asset.

 

[CowboyCO]

Who respects ignorance, one might understand it, but not respect it.

Critical thinkers don't buy into the mass 'tolerance' thought, the
ability to distinguish right from wrong in a real world is an asset.

OK. Critical think on this:

Two underage, minor girls girls enter into a homosexual relationship at a church-school. Right or wrong?

 

[Master Mason]

Not to stir the pot - no way no how, not me! - but this just illustrates my point waaaay back on page 16 (I think) of how my children are "educated" by conservative Christians every day even if I do not enroll them in a Christian school.
Conservative religions have been influencing society for so long now that my children are being taught subconsciously that sex outside of marriage is wrong. If it can be said that all the students in the school are sexually immoral, just who gets to make that judgenment call?
Myself, personally, I don't believe in the "rules" of the Christian religion governing sex. I believe sex is always a good, happy, powerful, beautiful thing, as long as it is between two consenting people over the age of 16 or so, you are taking care of your own body, and you never ever using sex to hurt someone else. So when do MY beliefs get to be respected??

Please understand that this is all slightly tongue in cheek. I really do believe this way, but don't really much care if no one else does.
But it serves to illustrate how hard it is to be someone who differs greatly from the mainstream religions in this country.

Someone, quick, take the big spoon away from me before i over-stir...

Your kids obviously go to vastly different schools than mine. My kids attend schools that are so liberal that it makes me want to pull my hair out sometimes.

 

[Goofyluver]

Right and wrong on these issues are personal decsions, this isn't a math test with only one right answer.

And to think that "Critical thinkers" are only those that agree with your definition of right and wrong is the hight of arrogence to me.

Discrimination is always wrong, Master.

If this was a multiple choice test, there would be one answer:

A. Discrimination based upon one's sexuality is wrong.

Hint: Circle A

 

[DisneyWalker44]

Right and wrong on these issues are personal decsions, this isn't a math test with only one right answer.

Careful, you are sounding like one of them liberals.

 

[Uncle Remus]

OK. Critical think on this:

Two underage, minor girls girls enter into a homosexual relationship at a church-school. Right or wrong?

Why?

I made my position, I will not tolerate ignorance.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

OK. Critical think on this:

Two underage, minor girls girls enter into a homosexual relationship at a church-school. Right or wrong?

Actually, the better question is:

Two underage students enter into a sexual relationship at a Christian/Jewish/Islamic school which has a code of conduct that prohibits immoral behavior. Said Christian/Jewish/Islamic school teaches that sex outside of marriage is immoral. When confronted, students affirm that a sexual relationship exists, and students are expelled for violating the code of conduct.

Right or wrong?

 

[Uncle Remus]

Right and wrong on these issues are personal decsions, this isn't a math test with only one right answer.

And to think that "Critical thinkers" are only those that agree with your definition of right and wrong is the hight of arrogence to me.

You may define critical thought as you wish, I'm sure your definition is wrong.

 

[Sorsha]

Your kids obviously go to vastly different schools than mine. My kids attend schools that are so liberal that it makes me want to pull my hair out sometimes.

I live rural Montana. NOTHING is liberal 'round here. We give "Red State" a whole new meaning.