lesbians need not apply

[JARNJ3]

Moral of the story?

Public Schools Rule!!!

 

[Master Mason]

Do you have some agenda, Gregg? Just say what you want to say.

I've told you this before. And I'll say it again...as apparently...it's really difficult to understand.

We must never be tolerant of intolerance.

I'm saying that calling things something they are not serves no purpose other than to be inflamitory. Saying that the church's stance is hypocritical is wrong, It is not hypocritical it is completely within the belief structure of the church. So calling it hypocritical serves no purpose other that attempting to make it out to be something that it isn't.

you want to call it discriminatory, hateful, whatever fine, but it simply is not hypocritical to make policy based on their clearly stated beliefs.

And I'm not asking you to tolerate it, just to have some truth in your arguement against it.

 

[Mr Man]

Moral of the story?

Public Schools Rule!!!

Moral of the story.

"alleged" girl-on-girl mackdowns

MTV = OK
Church School = Not OK.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I'm saying that calling things something they are not serves no purpose other than to be inflamitory. Saying that the church's stance is hypocritical is wrong, It is not hypocritical it is completely within the belief structure of the church. So calling it hypocritical serves no purpose other that attempting to make it out to be something that it isn't.

you want to call it discriminatory, hateful, whatever fine, but it simply is not hypocritical to make policy based on their clearly stated beliefs.

And I'm not asking you to tolerate it, just to have some truth in your arguement against it.

The truth is it boils down to interpretation, some Christians have one interpretation and others have another.

How do you anti-gay folks account for all those gays that claim to be Christian, are they liars? Hypocrites? Sinners?

 

[Goofyluver]

I went back and read the OP's comments, the bill that passed the house was never voted on by the Senate, nor was the previous version that was presented because it never even cleared the house. So I am unclear on how John McCain was all to blame as well.

As for what should be done, the finger pointing should be stopped. CA is a democratic state, it voted overwelmingly for the Democratic President, and has 2 Democratic Senators, and a majority of Democratic Congressmen. And yet those same voters voted against 8, which means that it was infact the Dems that voted for the thing if it passed.

So, keep up the fight, but stop pointing the fingers at the evil republicans. Something about getting your own house inorder before judging someone else and all that.

It's not about pointing fingers, Gregg. Civil rights. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[momto2girls]

Moral of the story?

Public Schools Rule!!!

 

[ZPT1022]

MagicKindomlvr, I'd imagine the girls were honest and refused to present themselves to the school as something they weren't. I'd not rush to assume indiscretion.

Unfortunately, in a school that uptight "indiscretion" could be something as simple as hand holding, which is in no way obscene or inappropriate in public.

 

[Tiffer]

There is a separation between Church and State in this country.

Because of that, I fully support the rights of a Church to decide to not marry homosexual couples based on their beliefs. Or for that matter, deny admission to their private school.

Because of that, I fully support the rights of homosexuals in the eyes of the state.

IF we lose that separation, we are in big trouble as a country. Freedom of religion is what this country was started on, we cannot lose that.

I understand your position, but what you are saying isn't applicable to the "Separation of Church & State" in a legal or Constituional sense.

People hear that catch phrase and apply it to everything related to Church & government.

So based on your belief in a seperation of church and state (something that doesn't exist in the constitution by the way) are you against Christmas displays in the public square?

True but it is implied through the Establishment Clause of the First Ammendent.."Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

In other words, I think is more about the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Ammendment.

I may be wrong, but I think it has more with it being a private organization than a religious organization.

If it were a public institution, then it would depend if homosexuals would be catagorized as a protected class and if so, at what level.

 

[Master Mason]

The truth is it boils down to interpretation, some Christians have one interpretation and others have another.

How do you anti-gay folks account for all those gays that claim to be Christian, are they liars? Hypocrites? Sinners?

"you anti-gay folks" Please show me where and how exactly I am anti gay. One quote from any of the 7000 or so posts I have made on this site would be sufficient.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

The truth is it boils down to interpretation, some Christians have one interpretation and others have another.

How do you anti-gay folks account for all those gays that claim to be Christian, are they liars? Hypocrites? Sinners?

Well tune into Oprah today. She is having none other than than the Rev. Haggard with his wife.

Let's see how much lying they can do. Or maybe he will be honest? Doubt it though.

 

[Goofyluver]

I'm saying that calling things something they are not serves no purpose other than to be inflamitory. Saying that the church's stance is hypocritical is wrong, It is not hypocritical it is completely within the belief structure of the church. So calling it hypocritical serves no purpose other that attempting to make it out to be something that it isn't.

you want to call it discriminatory, hateful, whatever fine, but it simply is not hypocritical to make policy based on their clearly stated beliefs.

And I'm not asking you to tolerate it, just to have some truth in your arguement against it.

I'm sorry...what are we talkin' about here? Are we discussing the school's refusal to allow these students to attend? Or were we still on our last convo about the hypocrisy of SOME folks in our country who use their religion to hide their hate for gays and lesbians?

The truth hurts, buddy.

At least be honest about it.

 

[PghLybrt]

There are a group of students who took it upon themselves to ride around for 2 months on what they called an "equality ride". They stopped at many universities to just simply try to start talking between students and faculty. They were not demanding that schools change their beliefs. One woman said it best and she said something like-- We are just simply asking schools and people to make safe spaces for GLBT youth. Places where they can go and reflect and grow their relationship with God.


http://www.soulforce.org/equalityride
http://www.equalityu.com/EU_Home.html

I don't find it very "christian" to make a person feel that God has left them and they would be better off if they were not on this earth. That's the message that this kind of stuff does.

 

[Master Mason]

It's not about pointing fingers, Gregg. Civil rights. Nothing more, nothing less.

But my response you latched onto WAS about pointing fingers. I made no comments either for or against what happened, I was pointing out that the finger pointing served no purpose and infact is usually wrong.

 

[ZPT1022]

If I was a parent of a gay teen, the last place I would send them to school is a Christian one. Its not a secret that they do not accept gay people and their lifestyle

I think it would be fair to say that most teens don't start high school knowing they are gay, or being open about it. It's probably not part of the conversation in eighth grade as these families are looking into high schools. I'm not gay but I'm making assumptions from what I saw from my gay friends in high school. It was kind of a gradual thing and the relationship kind of just happened and then it slowly came out. Usually friends found out before families. Heck, some of the people I graduated with, we'd all known they were gay for 2 or so years and the families had no clue, just thought that they had "best buddies". One girl, we've been out of high school for over ten years and her mother still doesn't know.

 

[Master Mason]

I'm sorry...what are we talkin' about here? Are we discussing the school's refusal to allow these students to attend? Or were we still on our last convo about the hypocrisy of SOME folks in our country who use their religion to hide their hate for gays and lesbians?

The truth hurts, buddy.

At least be honest about it.

And again, it isn't hypocritical. They aren't hiding behind their religions beliefs, they are embrasing them.

hypocritical
A adjective
1 hypocritical

professing feelings or virtues one does not have; "hypocritical praise"

they are not expressing feelings they don't have, they are expressing exactly the feelings they have.

 

[ZPT1022]

I am not gay (though have gay friends) and not Cathlioc, and I think this is just so stupid - I don't care what my neighbor does in his/her house (as long as its legal!), so I don't see why others worry about it. Having said that, strict Cathloics believe that being gay is "bad", so I can understand why they would want these girls out of their school. I don't think this is ever going to change, at least not in our lifetimes - those who believe in the bible and such and believe that this is a sin will never be changed.
We as a country have come far in voting in a black president, but we obviously have far to go.

I don't know if someone has pointed it out yet, but this was a LUTHERAN school, not Catholic. I'm just kind of tired of the Catholic church getting all the bad press.

 

[Goofyluver]

But my response you latched onto WAS about pointing fingers. I made no comments either for or against what happened, I was pointing out that the finger pointing served no purpose and infact is usually wrong.

Educate yourself, Gregg.

http://www.hrc.org/laws_and_elections/enda.asp

Who DO we get to point our finger at, Gregg?

 

[Goofyluver]

And again, it isn't hypocritical. They aren't hiding behind their religions beliefs, they are embrasing them.



they are not expressing feelings they don't have, they are expressing exactly the feelings they have.

While preaching love and acceptance for others? (unless you're gay )

Color me confused.

 

[Tiffer]

Educate yourself, Gregg.

http://www.hrc.org/laws_and_elections/enda.asp

Who do WE get to point our finger at, Gregg?

I agree that this stinks for these girls and it is crappy to be discriminated aginst for any reason. (gender, sexual orientation, etc).


I don't see how Employment discrimination is appicable to the situation??

I'm not being rude, but I didn't read every single post, so I may have missed something along the way.

 

[ZPT1022]

Oh - it wasn't a Catholic school?? Where was this school then, what state?
Wait, it was a Catholic schoo, but not a Christian school??? Sorry, the lone Jew doesn't get it!! Whats the difference?

Catholics are Christian but not all Christians are Catholic.


Kind of like, I might live in New York City, in New York State, but it would not be fair to say that everyone who lives in New York State also lives in New York City.

Does that make any sense or did I just make it more confusing?