Last minute call for more $$$$$ ?!?Updated with Disney's Response!

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But the real mistake is that this error is costing Disney at least $47,000 in lost revenue, plus whatever they're losing through the bad PR here. What are the odds twinnybelle will every return? I believe at this point, just about zero.

Brian

Ha, I'd like to take a poll just among those of us who have read through this thread, knowing how improperly the OP has been treated, how many of us have cancelled our upcoming reservations due to this bad PR.......anyone? Exactly why Disney can get away with things like this. The machine keeps moving on.

To the OP: Here's hoping your trip is magical, afterall it's all about the kids..
 
$ 535/night for the CR ( and yest to above poster, I worked the numbers too, came up with the same amount, and I have absolutley NO recourse, because noone at WDW can "work" the numbers with you, it is what is programed into their computer screens and they are only intelligent enough to READ, not problem solve)
So, in effect, I am still paying more than I should be for a 40% discount off the value season rack rate for that room category !

I'm sorry, but were you able to get the 40% off the room portion of the package - I wasn't sure from your post? When you said you worked the numbers, were you aware of the published rates ($5999) when you first recieved the $2999 quote? If so, as someone else said, it was probably too good to be true.

Under normal circumstances it really isn't Disney's job to break down the packages. The CM's at WDW Travel work under pretty strict regulations and have quotas to meet. If they started doing the math things would get pretty backed up. A WDW vacation is a pretty significant amount of money and it is a good idea to know in advance what you are paying for.

As I have said all along, I hope it all works out and WDW offers a fair compromise. It is an awful situation so soon before a vacation!
 
As I posted before, no one at WDTC/CRO is going to breakdown the figures in a package. That is just the nature of the business unless a regulation changes that. This is why you see so many here working their own numbers.
And I imagine CMs are very limited to what they can enter into a system. Otherwise I am sure along the line somewhere we would read about people getting a $.99 room from someone they know, or by a simple keystrock error.
They have lots to work with. But are limited to what can be used. They don't plunk in the rates themeselves.
Still hopeful it all works out. I can only imagine the frustration. I would be ready to spit nails.
But keep your cool, and don't make threats.
I know some have said to contact an attorney or the media. I doubt that will get you anywhere.
If I owned a business and an upset customer threatened either I would probably say, "End of converstion."
Best of luck. Hopefully there will be a nice middle ground, as other stated.
I don't see them forgetting about 3k. However I certainly would hope you get a compensation, along with a magical vacation.
Actually the screen shot is a good idea! :thumbsup2
 
I feel for the OP as she did contact Disney three times to check the package price. Its a pity Disney have been less than sympathetic when they realised their mistake.
I would like to see a happier outcome.
 

I feel for the OP as she did contact Disney three times to check the package price. Its a pity Disney have been less than sympathetic when they realised their mistake.
I would like to see a happier outcome.
She did say she contacted them three times on the package price. I wonder what how she would have felt if they had found the problem when she called the first time? Is the fact that Disney wants the money they're owed the problem or is it the short notice? Or perhaps both? I am honestly curious. I doubt the OP is going to respond to my question but it's on the table if she would like to comment.
 
OP - I am so sorry for the way sme posters have turned this around on you.

I don't think your deal is outlandish with the 40% Pluto discount. We should all be so lucky to get that offer.

You acted in good faith and prudently kept all the paperwork and created records of your vacation. Anybody who doesn't do this is naive.

WDW computers cannot easily recover the original transactions, but believe me they should have the data backed up. They were definitely having computer problems for a while when they were uploading the 2008 rates, all the more reason to have good back up copies.

Unfortunately you may find yourself bumped from CR 14th fl but I hope they can provide comparable rooms at an MK resort.

Stick to your gun and don't settle for a 2995 vacation when you reserved a 5995 vacation and got a great deal on it.
 
Good evening Outlander, I would be happy to respond to your questions:
As I posted earlier, I did indeed call myself to recheck the rate at least 3 times, that is because when I attempted to apply my PIN code, I was given 3, yes, 3 different amounts for the same original booking( same specifics)within the same phone call.
#1 -was at least $1500.00 more than the original $5999.00 ( supervisor at that time and I both suspected it was being applied over 2008 room rates which had been added in the system that very same day.)
#2 - around $ 5,700.00 - as I posted earlier( still wasn't a 40% discount based on room rate math. ( this is the amount that "reappeared "in their system this week, according to guest services)
#3 - was $ 3329.00? - I have no clue but that was my supposed final answer at the time I hung up, again, they only read what's on the screen so I had to go with it.

What I ended up with was around $2,800.00 on the website and all the confirmations they sent me.

Yes, I suspected a system glitch, and I called to keep rechecking , at least 3 times over 1 month. What was I supposed to say to CRO outlander " Um, I think I owe you guys $3,000.00." In my book, they had the opportunity to "catch it".

Yes, I am upset with the problem itself, because I feel a company of that magnitude should have better quality control, and better IT systems for that matter. I have had no problems when I stay at Holiday Inn.For a company such as Disney that prides itself on how it runs its business, seems like way too many widespead problems, but that is just my opinion. If the DIS members are a very, very small sample size of Disney's customer base, and we hear of this many problems ( possibly recent, I haven't followed that long,) but from what I see people post, it seems it has started to deteriorate of late.

And , yes, I am the most upset about the very, very late notice, as well as the fact that, had I ,myself , not called concierge and CRO 3 days ago to find out where my final documents were, I would never have known about the "balance" until I was in Florida, standing at a check-in desk being humiliated and probably screaming my head off in front of my children and everyone else.

To coin a phrase they are running it like a " Mickey Mouse" operation, pun intended.

What if it was not me, who was "aware" it may have been a glitch, but some poor first timer, non-DISer, less educated, less enlightened to the "wonderful world of Disney", they would be scr***d. Call me Underdog if you want, but no business should run that way, let alone Disney. Yes, I hold them to a higher standard, I believe they like that position.

And , don't get me wrong, I don't believe the whole corporation is that way, but when you have a single pivotal department, such as Central Reservations, and poor management in that area to boot, it will be the beginning of the end for them. Especially if all of the management above is not watching.
I see it as having helped WDW, free of charge of course, because if it is true that they monitor these boards, I have just done the job for them, that they actually pay someone who works for thewm to do....
What if I hadn't posted? Would the next person it happened to post? Would the problem get corrected?

So, You're welcome WDW.

Outlander, Quid Pro Quo? What would you have done?
 
What was the OP supposed to do after she called Disney to verify the price after she made her reservations? To all of you who think she should have known the deal was "too good be true", I ask; would the conversation you had with CRO gone something like this?:

"Well, Disney, I think the price you are charging me and confirming to me for my reservation is just too cheap. I will gladly give you what I THINK your rate should be and give you an extra $3,000. As a matter of fact, I think $3,000 extra is too low so I will give you, Disney, the multi-billion dollar company, an extra $5,000 because I think your vacations are priceless. Is that okay with you, Disney Company?" :rotfl2:

Forgive my moment of sarcasm, but there was nothing else she COULD have done after confirming the amount due several ways but to accept that Disney should know that the price they confirmed to her was correct.
 
While I feel that Twinnybelle is in the right, I know she won't win this one. She has the documents, the proof, but they have that little clause in small print at the bottom.
Twinny, if I were you, I would call Disney now and get this sorted out and into a new room before everything is booked solid. In fact, everything probably IS booked solid. I am sure there are some rooms kept back for special circumstances, but I would not leave it any longer.
See if you can negotiate a room that would be only $500 or $1000 more for what you paid.
I really hate to see the little ones miss this trip, and as another poster mentioned, they won't care where they stay.

If after you get back you are still just as angry, then you can take action then, but don't stress anymore right now. Get something else booked NOW!
 
I really feel for the OP and do not understand some of the statements that sound as if she should have known or was trying to get one over on Disney:confused3

What I don't understand is how Disney can give away free food to 1000's of people with the free dining plan, but for some reason cannot accept that they made an error and writeoff the error that they made. Certainly these kinds of errors in the grand scheme of Disney's finances would not cause a dent... so why not do what Disney is suppose to do so well and provide some "MAGIC" for this family! I think for a company like Disney who is suppose to have outstanding Guest Service can treat their guests so badly!

Bottom line... it was their mistake, they should write off the costs and allow this family to enjoy their vacation with a sincere apology!

I really hope things work out for you and your family!
 
While I would fight to the death for something I believe in strongly, I will never put my ego before my children's princess: princess: happiness. So, yes, I did pay the remaining balance this morning when I received the e mail from WDW with the " balance due". I definately feel that there is the opportunity for my ressie and all my painstakingly scheduled ADR's to "disappear" from the system, as a form of retribution, retaliation etc. from any CM's who may be named in an e mail sent off to Guest Relations. So, unless I get yet another call saying it is still not enough $$$$$$$$$$$, I will be breaking out my planning DVD to watch with my girls tonight, and try to get excited, again.
Next time they'll have to send someone to break my kneecaps.:confused3
 
What a lousy situation. Personally, I don't think it should matter if the original price paid was due to a glitch or not.
Package total: $XYZ
Total Paid: $XYZ
Balance Due: $0
:teacher:

Many of you are arguing that it says in the fine print that they "reserve the right" yadda yadda regarding computer errors, etc. While I do agree that Disney should be paid what they are owed, I think they have a responsibility to the customer to be accurate and timely. (10 days out for 3K is inexcusable).
I think a big portion of this problem is in how it is presented as well. There is a big difference between, "You owe us 3K- pay or else" and "Im sorry Mrs. Twinnybelles, there appears to be a mistake with your reservation. It seems that you were billed the incorrect amount for your package. The correct price is 3K more than you originally paid. This unfortunate error was due to...----. We would be happy to accept the difference and apply it to your current reservation, or, if you would like, we can help you find alternative accomodations for the price you paid. So sorry for the inconveniece..."
Granted, I wouldn't want to hear either one of those things 10 days before my trip- (and true we didn't hear exactly how the conversation went either, but the WORST part is that she wouldn't have known at all unless she had called!).
I guess what I am saying, (in too much detail) is that this was a big mistake- HUGE, in fact. That there was such a large discrepancy in what was paid and what was owed, (regardless of fault) and also in how long it took Disney to request payment. If you're gonna screw up that bad, (i.e. Disney) you'd better handle it with expert care. I work retail- so I know there is always someone trying to get something for nothing- but not EVERYONE is. And if you tell someone they owe you X amount, even if you tell them the wrong amount, you have to make a compromise. I wouldn't have wanted to be the Disney person on the other end of the phone, but I get the impression that if they had just been a little more proactive instead of reactive, (more "here's what we can do for you" not "you need to") then this situation might have been resolved a little better.
If you still feel that you have been wronged, you might try appealing to AMEX, and say you were overcharged- or they are trying to overcharge you. That is the only other way I can think of for you to get the trip you originally booked at the price you originally paid.
Good luck! I hope your family has an amazing time! WDW is truly my favorite place in the world- I'm so sorry this was your first taste.:rolleyes:
 
While I would fight to the death for something I believe in strongly, I will never put my ego before my children's princess: princess: happiness. So, yes, I did pay the remaining balance this morning when I received the e mail from WDW with the " balance due". I definately feel that there is the opportunity for my ressie and all my painstakingly scheduled ADR's to "disappear" from the system, as a form of retribution, retaliation etc. from any CM's who may be named in an e mail sent off to Guest Relations. So, unless I get yet another call saying it is still not enough $$$$$$$$$$$, I will be breaking out my planning DVD to watch with my girls tonight, and try to get excited, again.
Next time they'll have to send someone to break my kneecaps.:confused3

I am truly sorry that you have been going through this unfortunate situation for the past couple of days. Once you watch the video with your two little princesses and seeing how excited they will be, you will soon start to feel ok again. Have a wonderful vacation.:grouphug:
 
Twinny~
Enjoy your night with the girls and planning the trip with them! I hope you all have a magical time and knowing the smiles on their faces will ease the pain that you have been through! I would enjoy the trip and deal with it, if you feel the desire to, when you get back!
Have a great time!
 
Sadly, years I was on the end of the pointy stick with CRO. :headache: From that I too found out those printed confirmation papers don't mean squat. If such and such is their policy, they stick to it like glue, regardless of what is printed.
After that experience I never used them again, until after moving to FL. Instead I started booking through DU and had less stressful trips.
I truly do feel for OP. Also, I am always a firm believer there are two sides to every story. The full truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.
However I agree this should not have been discovered so close to a vacation. As the OP has stated, thank goodness she found out now, rather than at check-in! :faint: Small blessings. :sad2:
That disclaimer at the bottom pretty much says a mouthful. And I am not saying it is right or wrong. But it's there and covers a lot.
Again, good luck! :wizard:
 
OP - I am so sorry for the way sme posters have turned this around on you.
I really don't feel anyone turned the post around. I think almost everyone was being very supportive and continue to hope things get worked out.

To all of you who think she should have known the deal was "too good be true", I ask; would the conversation you had with CRO gone something like this?:
"Well, Disney, I think the price you are charging me and confirming to me for my reservation is just too cheap.
Some of us were trying to say that WDW has rescinded rates in the past due to computer errors, even though folks involved had all their documentation and she might want to be prepared for that reality. Not that we agree with the policy. The OP's rate has nothing to do with a 40% discount. She was basically getting a 14th floor concierge room that goes for about $600 per night for about $180.00 per night.

I honestly don't know what I would have done in a similar situation - confirming 3x certainly should have been sufficient.

It is very frustrating calling for rates because as the OP stated, nothing is consistent...The WDW computer system automatically adds vacation insurance so you have to be sure to remove that; it will typically come up with the most expensive room first, longest MYW tickets with hopper and water park options.

There is no excuse for the CM's being rude or not having empathy for her situation - 9 days before her vacation no less! I would be livid as well and hope some magic comes their way.

So, unless I get yet another call saying it is still not enough $$$$$$$$$$$, I will be breaking out my planning DVD to watch with my girls tonight, and try to get excited, again.
I think that is great and don't believe you should give up! When you get back write the letters, include your documentation and hopefully something will happen. At the very least you should get the package with the 40% discount on the room.

BTW, the CR is a fantastic place and I'm sure your girls will love it! Be sure to tell them at check in you will be celebrating birthdays. I really hope you have a wonderful time.
 
didn't have the pin! Disney didn't make them pay the difference even when they knew there was a glitch / human error! NOT RIGHT, OP shouldn't have had to pay more!

Charleyann:santa:
 
There have been accidentally low prices posted on other web sites (travel sites) and the customers in the end did receive the rate that they agreed to. Royal Caribbean's site, also, gave a guy an unusually low price and then when he made a change to part of the reservation, the computer added over $4,000 to his cost, and he complained and RC agreed to honor the price.

How do I know this? They made the news.

One thing to try -- contact your local newspaper or TV news station with the details. There's nothing like video of children who could possibly miss their trip to the "Happiest place on earth" to spark up some human interest and put a little pressure on the Powers That Be. If you've got confirmations, screen shots or printouts of online details, or anything at all that lends support to your position, tell the media all about it. Worse case scenario: Nothing happens; you generate no interest; all you can get in the paper is a strongly worded letter to the editor. At the very least, others are aware of the problem and the possiblity that this could happen to them, so you've educated others (as you have in this post for sure!). Best case: Disney feels that perhaps an error has been made that is unduly unfair to their guest and makes amends. You can't lose either way from where you're sitting right now.

-Dorothy (LadyZolt)(who believes that this might be a case where it is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease)

Edited to add: DH just told me there's a site called "The Consumerist" posts stories like this (www.consumerist.com) and it also has suggestions on how to contact places and get things accomplished. I didn't know about this -- might be worth checking out!

-D
 
Good evening Outlander, I would be happy to respond to your questions:
Thanks twinny!:thumbsup2 I owe you an equally thoughtful reply. I have to run out now but I will post a response when I get back.
Have a great night everyone and twinny, I am truly happy that you have decided to continue with your vacation. I hope you and your family are able to enjoy it and make dreams that will last forever.:wizard:
 
But the real mistake is that this error is costing Disney at least $47,000 in lost revenue, plus whatever they're losing through the bad PR here. What are the odds twinnybelle will every return? I believe at this point, just about zero.

Brian

Yeah, Disney's cryin' a river over twinnybelle :rolleyes:
 
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