Las Vegas Shooting

[Gumbo4x4]

I know nothing about guns, less than nothing so I had no clue guns could be disassembled. So, for me, it was hard to figure out. I’m glad I don’t know anything about them tbh

Even if fully assembled, one would just need a big enough case to move a rifle. I would imagine large luggage isn't all that unusual in Vegas.

 

[kimblebee]

By booking an extended stay and bringing the weapons (in disassembled form) in small batches over a period of several days.

Thank you for your clear, polite answer.

 

[Hikergirl]

Easily, by booking an extended stay and bringing the weapons (in disassembled form) in small batches over a period of several days. The guest traffic in the lobby of a place like The Mandalay is like Grand Central at rush hour, so some guy walking through it with a satchel size bag isn't going to attract any attention. Frankly, the bigger issue would be keeping all that stuff invisible to housekeeping.

He could have requested no housekeeping.
He could have had them in multiple suitcases with clothes over them, and kept them zipped up.
He could have left them in suitcases in his car trunk until he was ready to use them.

 

[wenrob]

Easily, by booking an extended stay and bringing the weapons (in disassembled form) in small batches over a period of several days. The guest traffic in the lobby of a place like The Mandalay is like Grand Central at rush hour, so some guy walking through it with a satchel size bag isn't going to attract any attention. Frankly, the bigger issue would be keeping all that stuff invisible to housekeeping.

See my previous post. If he specified ‘no service’ housekeeping or any other staff would not have gone into the room. Even if they had, it was a suite, plenty of places to hide them. Maids don’t go around going through people’s things, they make the beds, clean the bathroom, dust/vacuum and leave.

 

[kimblebee]

I guess it’s pretty easy to do. That’s horrifying in itself.

Anyway, I don’t want to steer the thread in the wrong direction so back to wishing a speedy recovery to everyone who needs it.

 

[Jennasis]

I wonder if hotels (particularly large resorts like the hotels at Disney, Universal, Vegas...) will begin implementing luggage screening. I recall hearing something along the lines of that happens at Disneyland Paris? Then again, there are far too many exit/entrance points at most resorts to adequately or efficiently screen every person/package coming onto the property.

Ugh. I hate feeling so helpless. I always feel like, with these tragedies, that we are constantly behind the 8-ball. Trying to figure out how to "prevent it from happening again" and then some new nutjob comes along and finds a whole new way to wreak havoc that we hadn't considered.

 

[Squirlz]

Even if fully assembled, one would just need a big enough case to move a rifle. I would imagine large luggage isn't all that unusual in Vegas.

Golf bag.

 

[Marchand63]

Any more info regarding the person at the concert who was heard to say, "You're all going to die"?

Seems to be one of those cliché things. Like saying during an argument - I could kill you.

Sadly my DS just learned one of the victims was a spouse of a classmate.

 

[Mirielle]

Seems to be one of those cliché things. Like saying during an argument - I could kill you.

Sadly my DS just learned one of the victims was a spouse of a classmate.

Appreciate the reply. So, sooo sorry to learn about your DH's classmate.

 

[bcla]

I wonder if hotels (particularly large resorts like the hotels at Disney, Universal, Vegas...) will begin implementing luggage screening. I recall hearing something along the lines of that happens at Disneyland Paris? Then again, there are far too many exit/entrance points at most resorts to adequately or efficiently screen every person/package coming onto the property.

I was listening to the radio when I caught a bit of the following piece. This guy (John Choate - former Navy SEAL and a security consultant) spent a year working for Wynn's on casino/hotel security. He does bring up Disney using metal detectors as a way to actually boost profits even with the additional costs. His rationale is that it makes customers more comfortable that they're at least addressing security concerns.

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555170215/how-casinos-secure-against-active-shooters-and-other-threats

SIEGEL: But do you mean - do I have you right, though, saying that at at least either the Wynn or the Encore, the places that you consulted with, that if a man were to bring 10 weapons into the hotel to his room, those would all pass through a metal detector at some point?

CHOATE: I'm really not at liberty to discuss this particular (laughter) issue. But I can tell you at least for the properties that I've consulted at, that their ability to be able to detect anomalies such as somebody bringing 10 firearms into a location is quite robust.​

I do remember in my stays in Vegas, possibly the highest security was at Circus Circus. It wasn't foolproof, but before going to the elevators everyone had to at least flash a room key. And with security stationed there always, they'd probably be looking for anything suspicious. Still - two large pieces of rolling luggage among thousands of guests probably isn't going to be terribly suspicious.

 

[robinb]

Sadly my DS just learned one of the victims was a spouse of a classmate.

I'm so sorry .

 

[wenrob]

Seems to be one of those cliché things. Like saying during an argument - I could kill you.

Sadly my DS just learned one of the victims was a spouse of a classmate.

This is what I think it was. Someone taking what was said earlier and connecting it to what happened later. Officials have repeatedly reiterated that it was a lone shooter but the internet rumors keep persisting.

I am sorry for your son’s friend.

DD and her friends had some friends there and they were fortunate enough to get out. One of their professors was a complete no show, no idea what may be happening there. One of her coworkers has a family member who was wounded but thankfully will be fine. Two teachers at my younger kids school were out, one there but fine, the other’s kids there but I’m not sure of their status. Thankfully my friends and family members are all safe and accounted for.

 

[Grumpy's Gal]

In a book I read about the secret service ........ they had guns in golf bags!!

 

[Albort]

guys, Disney lost one of their own in the shooting... I think i know her... im not 100% sure. i might have worked with her in the past at Disney...

also rumor of another cm... :\

 

[yoopermom]

Paying customers may also have legitimate reasons to bring guns into their hotel rooms with them. Vegas has a number of large gun shows, for example, and not everyone has a motorhome or r.v. We know many people who travel all over the US, stay in hotels, and have guns with them for legitimate reasons. They are cased, but are brought in like any other normal piece of luggage would be. (Obviously not in the quantity that this shooter had, but still....)

I can't imagine having to be his family and friends who say "we didn't know/didn't have any idea....". I'm sure more details will come out in the days to come, though.

Terri

 

[superme80]

My husband's boss lost a friend at this shooting. She worked in the same industry. So awful. I do love hearing how people are coming together in the midst of this tragedy.

 

[BadPinkTink]

I wonder if hotels (particularly large resorts like the hotels at Disney, Universal, Vegas...) will begin implementing luggage screening. I recall hearing something along the lines of that happens at Disneyland Paris?

At Disneyland Paris there are bag screening machines at every entry point to the Disney property.
At the entrance to each hotel
At the entrance to Disney Village
At the car park entrance.

Disneyland Paris is like a complete closed circle, with very controlled public entrances.

 

[mummabear]

I was listening to the radio when I caught a bit of the following piece. This guy (John Choate - former Navy SEAL and a security consultant) spent a year working for Wynn's on casino/hotel security. He does bring up Disney using metal detectors as a way to actually boost profits even with the additional costs. His rationale is that it makes customers more comfortable that they're at least addressing security concerns.

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555170215/how-casinos-secure-against-active-shooters-and-other-threats

SIEGEL: But do you mean - do I have you right, though, saying that at at least either the Wynn or the Encore, the places that you consulted with, that if a man were to bring 10 weapons into the hotel to his room, those would all pass through a metal detector at some point?

CHOATE: I'm really not at liberty to discuss this particular (laughter) issue. But I can tell you at least for the properties that I've consulted at, that their ability to be able to detect anomalies such as somebody bringing 10 firearms into a location is quite robust.​

I do remember in my stays in Vegas, possibly the highest security was at Circus Circus. It wasn't foolproof, but before going to the elevators everyone had to at least flash a room key. And with security stationed there always, they'd probably be looking for anything suspicious. Still - two large pieces of rolling luggage among thousands of guests probably isn't going to be terribly suspicious.

We stayed at Zcirvus Circus last month and didn’t see any of that, I saw no security and there was no keys required to use the lifts.

 

[LuvN~Travel]

Paying customers may also have legitimate reasons to bring guns into their hotel rooms with them. Vegas has a number of large gun shows, for example, and not everyone has a motorhome or r.v. We know many people who travel all over the US, stay in hotels, and have guns with them for legitimate reasons. They are cased, but are brought in like any other normal piece of luggage would be. (Obviously not in the quantity that this shooter had, but still....)

I can't imagine having to be his family and friends who say "we didn't know/didn't have any idea....". I'm sure more details will come out in the days to come, though.

Terri

That is something one of the newscasters pointed out yesterday, There are signs up in Las Vegas now for a gun show later this week. For someone who regularly visited Las Vegas he would not have seemed out of the ordinary carrying guns in a few days before the gun show. He was definitely a wolf in sheep's clothing in his timing of all of this.

 

[mom2rtk]

Frankly, the bigger issue would be keeping all that stuff invisible to housekeeping.

I can't imagine he allowed housekeeping in there. So much for Disney's program to refuse housekeeping for an entire stay in return for a gift card.