Land Border Opening?

[accm]

https://covid19tracker.ca/vaccinationtracker.html
the tracker is at the bottom of this page for anyone who’s interested

 

[Mikey15]

read an article that said Trudeau said we wouldn’t be opening the border until we reached 75% with first shot, and 20% fully vaccinated. But my question is, is that percentage of the eligible population? Or are we including everyone?

We’re at 75/20 of eligible as of today or tomorrow so I thought that statement sounded odd. But it will be two weeks before full protection for people getting theirs today so maybe that plays into it. Hard to say without the context.

75/75 we’re on track for end of July sothat part shouldn’t be an issue by the end of the current extension.

 

[ellbell]

I read an article that said Trudeau said we wouldn’t be opening the border until we reached 75% with first shot, and 20% fully vaccinated. But my question is, is that percentage of the eligible population? Or are we including everyone?
And what happens if we just don’t reach that? They’re just going to keep the border closed indefinitely? (I just went back and reread it, and it’s of the total population - which goes back to my question of, what if we don’t get to 75%? I looked at a graph for Ontario, and we’re plateauing on numbers of first shot. Not sure about other provinces)
I’ve been understanding of the tough decisions our leaders have had to make, even when I didn’t particularly agree with them. But I feel like we’re just moving farther and farther away from the science and being restrictive for the sake of being restrictive

https://apple.news/Aq6OY2BoHSb6EFgz43d7J8w

Basically those of us who got vaccinated are going to continue to be punished because we weren't successful in bullying the unvaccinated into changing their minds.

 

[Jrb1979]

Basically those of us who got vaccinated are going to continue to be punished because we weren't successful in bullying the unvaccinated into changing their minds.

I don't think so. By July we should be close to that. I am still of the belief the biggest issue is the vaccine passport.

 

[ellbell]

I don't think so. By July we should be close to that. I am still of the belief the biggest issue is the vaccine passport.

I just don't see how nationally we are going to get to 75% of the total population vaccinated. It just took 11 days to go up 5% of the eligible population getting their first shot and the percentage of the overall population with 1 shot is 65%. The rate of first vaccinations is going to stall any second now.

 

[accm]

I just don't see how nationally we are going to get to 75% of the total population vaccinated. It just took 11 days to go up 5% of the eligible population getting their first shot and the percentage of the overall population with 1 shot is 65%. The rate of first vaccinations is going to stall any second now.

I agree. Looking at the graph I posted, so many any ranges have plateaued under the 75% mark. It’d be interesting to see if the raw data is downloadable and see at the rate people are getting their first shot, how long until we reach 75% of everyone.
I don’t think we’ll have an issue getting to 20% for second shot, but 75%? I doubt we’ll get that before kids under 12 can get vaccinated. And even then, I think a lot of parents are more hesitant about vaccinating their kids vs themselves

 

[ottawamom]

Basically those of us who got vaccinated are going to continue to be punished because we weren't successful in bullying the unvaccinated into changing their minds.

I find that statement harsh.

 

[bababear_50]

Basically those of us who got vaccinated are going to continue to be punished because we weren't successful in bullying the unvaccinated into changing their minds.

Nah
Those of us that got vaccinated are going to reap the reward of living & staying healthy during a Pandemic.
I personally thank my lucky stars a vaccine was even developed and that I was able to get it.
I'm so happy people were given the opportunity to make informed decisions around vaccination and that so many Canadians are stepping up to the plate to get them.
I have a great deal of faith in the Canadian people.

Hugs
Mel

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

U.S. politicians fume over Canada's extended border restrictions
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-canada-border-closed-reaction-1.6071737
One part I will highlight from it (at the bottom of article):

She added a prediction: That the U.S. border will reopen to Canadian travel soon, either on June 22, or at the latest on July 22 — no matter what Canada does.

"The U.S. isn't going to wait forever," Greenwood said. "Because the U.S. is ready. The U.S. is ready today."

While I appreciate the US's eagerness, not sure that attitude will earn points. Just because YOU say so, doesn't mean it should/will happen. (regardless if it should or not). I guess it just shows their level of frustration.

If they open unliterally, then we wouldn't need to test getting into the US.

 

[Jrb1979]

U.S. politicians fume over Canada's extended border restrictions
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-canada-border-closed-reaction-1.6071737
One part I will highlight from it (at the bottom of article):

She added a prediction: That the U.S. border will reopen to Canadian travel soon, either on June 22, or at the latest on July 22 — no matter what Canada does.

"The U.S. isn't going to wait forever," Greenwood said. "Because the U.S. is ready. The U.S. is ready today."

While I appreciate the US's eagerness, not sure that attitude will earn points. Just because YOU say so, doesn't mean it should/will happen. (regardless if it should or not). I guess it just shows their level of frustration.

If they open unliterally, then we wouldn't need to test getting into the US.

I don't see how they open the border before both countries come to an agreement.

 

[SleeplessInTO]

I don't see how they open the border before both countries come to an agreement.

Why not? You’ve always been able to fly into the US despite all the media reports here of the border being “closed”. Canada does not have any say in how another country determines who is allowed in. The US can reopen its borders to Canadians by land, sea, etc. without input from Canada.
Right now the US is being friendly. Or perhaps they wanted to use this as a negotiation point, where if Canada doesn’t let US residents in then they won’t allow Canadians in. But both can easily change.

 

[ellbell]

I find that statement harsh.

Ok.

 

[ellbell]

Why not? You’ve always been able to fly into the US despite all the media reports here of the border being “closed”. Canada does not have any say in how another country determines who is allowed in. The US can reopen its borders to Canadians by land, sea, etc. without input from Canada.
Right now the US is being friendly. Or perhaps they wanted to use this as a negotiation point, where if Canada doesn’t let US residents in then they won’t allow Canadians in. But both can easily change.

I agree that the US can open it's land bordet at anytime to Canadians. Not many Canadians are going to drive across for a day trip though if they are still needing to test twice to come back. A lot of people that drive across go to border towns to go shopping for a day or a weekend and it just won't be worth it until the Canadian government decides that fully vaccinated people don't need the tests.

 

[HappilyEverAfter80]

Basically those of us who got vaccinated are going to continue to be punished because we weren't successful in bullying the unvaccinated into changing their minds.

So maybe I wouldn’t word it this way, but what I think you are trying to say, or at least how I feel - they (meaning government) need to let those vaccinated move on with their lives and stop worrying about pleasing everyone. That will never happen. I agree that we were promised (for lack of better word) that life will return to normal if we get vaccinated and so that needs to happen and SOON. Those choosing not to get vaccinated can live with the consequences for now.
At the end of the day even those that refused vaccines will be safer thanks to all of us that got it. Their lives will also return mostly back to normal thanks to those that are vaccinated. But should they be more restricted at least for a year when it comes to travel, large gatherings? Yes absolutely. Should the rest of us be rewarded with more freedoms. Of course! Our government needs to realize this, hopefully they have already.

 

[bcwife76]

Opening the land border won't help border towns. I don't know about you all, but I'm not going to test twice and isolate just so I can go to Target. So day trips won't increase. This will help people who want to fly out of a US airport.

 

[wdwmom3]

I think we will hit the 75% mark. Some areas are getting close. And I think as people realize getting it will make it easier for them to do things like travel, some people who weren’t going to get it will. Also I think some people just weren’t in a rush and are waiting until there was less demand to get one.

I’ve also heard about some people who have reconsidered now that the delta variant is here. Just look at Waterloo. People want this over.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

It is still 75% single dose and 20% double dose, correct? I thought I had heard it was 75% double, which would make sense eventually happening if 75% have a single dose, but it would definitely be towards Sept for that to happen....I think.

 

[bcwife76]

We have now reached 75%/20% today of eligible citizens.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

We have now reached 75%/20% today of eligible citizens.

Right, which is why I thought it was changed to 75% double since we already hit the initial target and they are not ready to open wide.

By extending the closure for another month, it just means more people will be double vaxxed and that percentage will go up even more. I think they won't extend again after July 21. By then they should have a certificate worked out for the app, and more double doses administered. Hopefully the testing and quarantine will change in some form as well.

 

[Sue M]

I agree that the US can open it's land bordet at anytime to Canadians. Not many Canadians are going to drive across for a day trip though if they are still needing to test twice to come back. A lot of people that drive across go to border towns to go shopping for a day or a weekend and it just won't be worth it until the Canadian government decides that fully vaccinated people don't need the tests.

Border day tripper here! I’ll be first in line up when Canada & US drop test requirements! I miss my Trader Joe shopping! And US Costco

So maybe I wouldn’t word it this way, but what I think you are trying to say, or at least how I feel - they (meaning government) need to let those vaccinated move on with their lives and stop worrying about pleasing everyone. That will never happen. I agree that we were promised (for lack of better word) that life will return to normal if we get vaccinated and so that needs to happen and SOON. Those choosing not to get vaccinated can live with the consequences for now.
At the end of the day even those that refused vaccines will be safer thanks to all of us that got it. Their lives will also return mostly back to normal thanks to those that are vaccinated. But should they be more restricted at least for a year when it comes to travel, large gatherings? Yes absolutely. Should the rest of us be rewarded with more freedoms. Of course! Our government needs to realize this, hopefully they have already.

Absolutely. Those of us who have been vaccinated should be able to have more freedoms including travel without multiple testing. I could see maybe a rapid test at airport, maybe.

I think we will hit the 75% mark. Some areas are getting close. And I think as people realize getting it will make it easier for them to do things like travel, some people who weren’t going to get it will. Also I think some people just weren’t in a rush and are waiting until there was less demand to get one.

I’ve also heard about some people who have reconsidered now that the delta variant is here. Just look at Waterloo. People want this over.

yes, just look at how Delta variant is traveling with the unvaccinated population, now the whole country has to pay for it in England With longer lockdown. I hope that doesn’t happen here. People’s personal choices don’t just affect them. It affects us all.