Land Border Opening?

[DougEMG]

I honestly didn’t know where to put this one. USA just put us back on a level 3 travel advisory. I’ll keep my comments to myself .

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/8153571/us-canada-travel-advisory/amp/

Lets them justify keeping the land border closed!

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

I am not well-versed on the land border saga since it doesn't have much impact in my daily life. However, I was just trying to think of backup plans for travel.

Let's say I fly to Bayonne, NJ or NYC for a cruise. At the end of the cruise I test positive on the ship. Instead of having to quarantine in the US, can I drive home and cross the land border with a quarantine plan in the ArriveCAN app?

Now, this would obviously be a last ditch effort, but I was just curious of my options.

 

[ellbell]

I am not well-versed on the land border saga since it doesn't have much impact in my daily life. However, I was just trying to think of backup plans for travel.

Let's say I fly to Bayonne, NJ or NYC for a cruise. At the end of the cruise I test positive on the ship. Instead of having to quarantine in the US, can I drive home and cross the land border with a quarantine plan in the ArriveCAN app?

Now, this would obviously be a last ditch effort, but I was just curious of my options.

You will not be denied entry into Canada if you are a Canadian Citizen. Regardless of your covid status.

 

[Gigi22]

You will not be denied entry into Canada if you are a Canadian Citizen. Regardless of your covid status.

Check the website travel.gc.ca for more information

 

[ellbell]

Check the website travel.gc.ca for more information

I stand by my statement. You will not be denied entry into Canada if you are a Canadian Citizen. Being denied boarding on to plane is not the same thing.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

Ok, I thought that was the case, but I wasn’t if anything had changed recently.
Thanks.

 

[Donald - my hero]

it's true that you'll be able to enter Canada but I'd be wanting to check what the requirements in the USA are if you test positive. I highly doubt you'd be able to just set out to drive across the country to get to the border? You'd need to stop for gas and food and no one in the car would be able to answer the question "have you been in close contact with someone who tested positive" with the word no. Here that would immediately mean no service of any kind.

 

[2Lunds]

it's true that you'll be able to enter Canada but I'd be wanting to check what the requirements in the USA are if you test positive. I highly doubt you'd be able to just set out to drive across the country to get to the border? You'd need to stop for gas and food and no one in the car would be able to answer the question "have you been in close contact with someone who tested positive" with the word no. Here that would immediately mean no service of any kind.

Very slim pickins for finding a one-way car rental right now as well.

 

[TigerlilyAJ]

Has anyone been to a land border crossing in the pandemic? I'm a dual citizen, and have traveled back and forth five times since March 2020.
The US side is not at all prepared to Covid screen. To me that is the #1 reason Canadians can't drive into the US. Air travel already had more security and more requirements, and you can do a lot before you arrive at the airport. There was already digital infrastructure, which is why you can check in for a flight while still at home. The land border is not set up for all that testing and vax information, there is no correlate to ArriveCAN. Then I think there being no uniform, easy to assess Canadian Covid "passport" makes it even more of a hassle before you consider the additional issues that currently the US doesn't view AstraZeneca or mixed dosages as valid vaccination.
Meanwhile, Canada either does not think people like me exist or wants to be so punitive to deter me from seeing my family that they don't think anyone would actually go for less than a week. My last trip, my first with the testing requirement to re-enter Canada, was my usual three-day stay, so I literally crossed into the U.S. and went straight to my Covid testing appointment for a test that only proves that I didn't already have Covid in Canada before I went to the U.S.
I saw zero American license plates on the cars waiting to enter Canada. No one would go through that much trouble for the usual border-state day excursion into Canada. Only people with property or family, people with a real compelling reason to come and stay for at least a week.
I don't think Canadians will want to do all that to pop over to Buffalo for a couple of days of outlet shopping while they wait for test results to come back (mine took a full 48 hours). So the border states that want and need Canadian travelers won't really get what they want until and unless vaxxed Canadians don't need to have test results in hand at the border.

 

[mamaofsix]

Has anyone been to a land border crossing in the pandemic? I'm a dual citizen, and have traveled back and forth five times since March 2020.
The US side is not at all prepared to Covid screen. To me that is the #1 reason Canadians can't drive into the US. Air travel already had more security and more requirements, and you can do a lot before you arrive at the airport. There was already digital infrastructure, which is why you can check in for a flight while still at home. The land border is not set up for all that testing and vax information, there is no correlate to ArriveCAN. Then I think there being no uniform, easy to assess Canadian Covid "passport" makes it even more of a hassle before you consider the additional issues that currently the US doesn't view AstraZeneca or mixed dosages as valid vaccination.
Meanwhile, Canada either does not think people like me exist or wants to be so punitive to deter me from seeing my family that they don't think anyone would actually go for less than a week. My last trip, my first with the testing requirement to re-enter Canada, was my usual three-day stay, so I literally crossed into the U.S. and went straight to my Covid testing appointment for a test that only proves that I didn't already have Covid in Canada before I went to the U.S.
I saw zero American license plates on the cars waiting to enter Canada. No one would go through that much trouble for the usual border-state day excursion into Canada. Only people with property or family, people with a real compelling reason to come and stay for at least a week.
I don't think Canadians will want to do all that to pop over to Buffalo for a couple of days of outlet shopping while they wait for test results to come back (mine took a full 48 hours). So the border states that want and need Canadian travelers won't really get what they want until and unless vaxxed Canadians don't need to have test results in hand at the border.

All the more reason for a vaccine passport. Hopefully when the border opens, that will be all that is needed - no more testing requirement.

 

[White Cat]

Has anyone been to a land border crossing in the pandemic? I'm a dual citizen, and have traveled back and forth five times since March 2020.
The US side is not at all prepared to Covid screen. To me that is the #1 reason Canadians can't drive into the US. Air travel already had more security and more requirements, and you can do a lot before you arrive at the airport. There was already digital infrastructure, which is why you can check in for a flight while still at home. The land border is not set up for all that testing and vax information, there is no correlate to ArriveCAN. Then I think there being no uniform, easy to assess Canadian Covid "passport" makes it even more of a hassle before you consider the additional issues that currently the US doesn't view AstraZeneca or mixed dosages as valid vaccination.
Meanwhile, Canada either does not think people like me exist or wants to be so punitive to deter me from seeing my family that they don't think anyone would actually go for less than a week. My last trip, my first with the testing requirement to re-enter Canada, was my usual three-day stay, so I literally crossed into the U.S. and went straight to my Covid testing appointment for a test that only proves that I didn't already have Covid in Canada before I went to the U.S.
I saw zero American license plates on the cars waiting to enter Canada. No one would go through that much trouble for the usual border-state day excursion into Canada. Only people with property or family, people with a real compelling reason to come and stay for at least a week.
I don't think Canadians will want to do all that to pop over to Buffalo for a couple of days of outlet shopping while they wait for test results to come back (mine took a full 48 hours). So the border states that want and need Canadian travelers won't really get what they want until and unless vaxxed Canadians don't need to have test results in hand at the border.

I’ve driven a USA plated car into Canada and an Ontario plated car into the USA. Thinking of driving my USA plated car back after the Canadian thanksgiving. That’s if I feel like bothering with it.

 

[White Cat]

Very slim pickins for finding a one-way car rental right now as well.

I did find one through Enterprise. Was going to drive it from Niagara in after a flight. Half day usage was like $600. Decided to fly straight to Toronto instead.

 

[2Lunds]

I did find one through Enterprise. Was going to drive it from Niagara in after a flight. Half day usage was like $600. Decided to fly straight to Toronto instead.

Nice. WDW-wise, I could not find a single location offering one-way rentals to Winnipeg. I gave up after searching about 20 locations in and around Orlando. I suppose if I called a couple of companies directly I could have better luck, but the whole thing just felt like one more huge roadblock fail so I gave up

 

[ellbell]

I did find one through Enterprise. Was going to drive it from Niagara in after a flight. Half day usage was like $600. Decided to fly straight to Toronto instead.

I just checked enterprise and it says one way rentals from Orlando to Toronto are currently unavailable. Do you mind sharing a link for where you booked?

 

[pigletto]

Not that this will come as a surprise to anyone, but the USA land border will remained closed to Canadians, at least until October 21st.


The White House did not immediately comment on Friday, but White House coronavirus response coordinator Jeff Zients said on Wednesday that given the Delta variant of the coronavirus, "we will maintain the existing travel restrictions at this point."

U.S. officials and travel industry executives say the White House is set to renew the restrictions before the latest extension expires on Sept. 21.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...o-lift-canadian-travel-restrictions-1.5590886

 

[HappilyEverAfter80]

Not that this will come as a surprise to anyone, but the USA land border will remained closed to Canadians, at least until October 21st.


The White House did not immediately comment on Friday, but White House coronavirus response coordinator Jeff Zients said on Wednesday that given the Delta variant of the coronavirus, "we will maintain the existing travel restrictions at this point."

U.S. officials and travel industry executives say the White House is set to renew the restrictions before the latest extension expires on Sept. 21.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...o-lift-canadian-travel-restrictions-1.5590886

You’re right, definitely not surprised.
I still don’t understand it as it’s very easy (money & testing aside) to fly to the US, they don’t even bat an eye at the US border when you cross by air. We have flown recently and the US border is definitely not closed to Canadians. What is the difference with land border? Anyway not starting a debate, just thinking out loud
Hoping it will open by Christmas, we hope to drive next time.
Or fly from the US.
Thank you for the update!

 

[ellbell]

Not that this will come as a surprise to anyone, but the USA land border will remained closed to Canadians, at least until October 21st.


The White House did not immediately comment on Friday, but White House coronavirus response coordinator Jeff Zients said on Wednesday that given the Delta variant of the coronavirus, "we will maintain the existing travel restrictions at this point."

U.S. officials and travel industry executives say the White House is set to renew the restrictions before the latest extension expires on Sept. 21.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...o-lift-canadian-travel-restrictions-1.5590886

I'm actually kinda relieved this time. I have a flight down on the 25th and I was worried that if they changed the border rules it would come with a vaccination requirement and since I got an AZ and Pfizer mix I wouldn't be considered vaccinated and would have to cancel my trip.
I would love for the land border to open but I want this vaccine issue to be resolved first.

 

[2Lunds]

I'm actually kinda relieved this time. I have a flight down on the 25th and I was worried that if they changed the border rules it would come with a vaccination requirement and since I got an AZ and Pfizer mix I wouldn't be considered vaccinated and would have to cancel my trip.
I would love for the land border to open but I want this vaccine issue to be resolved first.

MB just authorized third doses for travelers concerned about this same issue. Other provinces can't be far behind!

 

[quandrea]

MB just authorized third doses for travelers concerned about this same issue. Other provinces can't be far behind!

Wonderful news! Let’s go Ontario!

 

[Pumpkin1172]

I'm actually kinda relieved this time. I have a flight down on the 25th and I was worried that if they changed the border rules it would come with a vaccination requirement and since I got an AZ and Pfizer mix I wouldn't be considered vaccinated and would have to cancel my trip.
I would love for the land border to open but I want this vaccine issue to be resolved first.

I don't think that they will implement that type of a requirement. If they do...it not only would make many Canadians ineligible, but it would make many from the European countries unable to travel into the US. They will NEED our travel dollars. Many countries have mixed dosing, because of availability.

Once the CDC updates their findings/testing/researching (which they heavily follow recommentations of the WHO) there is a very high probability that they will follow the same guidelines as what the WHO that state the mixed doses are considered " fully vaccinated".

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Honestly, at this rate of the boarder opening, many of us are going to be needing our " booster" and that will be what our second dose was. I can't help by shake my head at everything thing at this point