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I don't think any side of the argument is suggesting that it is ok for anyone, kids or adults to push out someone else to get a preferred spot to view a parade. At least, I don't think so. What this really comes down to in my eyes is that some of us feel that the parades have been designed primarily for the entertainment of the children, not the adults and that although we all realize everyone paid to get into the park, it might be a good gesture to allow a child a spot ahead of you and more than likely not even blocking your view in order to see their favorite characters. We fully recognize that you are not obligated to allow the children to watch the parade, even if it only costs you a momentary discomfort in having to scoot over. We still appreciate you humoring us with the possibility that you are a decent human being with basic common sense.

Count me in as someone who doesn't believe that parades are just for children. Your statements are very offensive. It doesn't make an adult someone who "lacks common sense" or is indecent because they want to view the entertainment they paid to see.
 
Kids on shoulders is annoying if at the last minute they stick the kid up there and block you, especially if said kid isn't still and keeps wiggling around.

Same with letting little kids in front for a parade. I've done it before and I've also told the parents no. I've said no because in the past I have let kids in and they have stepped on me, sat on me, kept turning back to parent knocking into me, making it rather annoying. My feelings are if you want a good spot get their early too, don't expect your kid will be let to the front.

I've toured with infants on up and trips without. No one is entitled more than someone else in my opinion, want to see get there early!,
 
Count me in as someone who doesn't believe that parades are just for children. Your statements are very offensive. It doesn't make an adult someone who "lacks common sense" or is indecent because they want to view the entertainment they paid to see.

I totally agree with this. BugsDaddy, you seem convinced that Disney World is only for children, and therefore those of us without children should just step aside and give priority to children. Well sorry, but no. If I stake out a spot for a parade 30 minutes in advance, that's my spot; it doesn't mean I have to give it up to a child whose parents show up 5 minutes before the parade starts and expect me to give it to their child. (Although to be honest, I can't recall ever having experienced this personally, but I've seen plenty of reports of it happening here.)
 
This is so true. Most tall adults are aware that they are tall, just like I know that I am not :rotfl: This means that when we watch parades and shows, we have to stop doing what we are busy with or skip/save something for later to dedicate a fair amount of time sitting and waiting in our spot. I see plenty parents with small children staking out their spots a good hour in advance. Children can and will wait if they perceive this to be a normal part of life.
If he's sitting waiting for the parade, you may not realize it, and by that logic couldn't you just assume that parents with small children will eventually put them on their shoulders and not stand behind them? That's what I would do.if you've ever put a child (even a small one) on your shoulders you'd know that it is heavy and uncomfortable and you're lucky if you can manage to do it for a whole show. A parent shouldn't be forced to do it before the show too, just so you know not to stand behind them. Again, we always stand in the back to be considerate of others because DH is tall, which means that there are many times that I can't see and I don't mind. We also always sit in the back row for the same reason, which means that there are also plenty of times DS can't see either. Why can't everyone just work on maybe having just a little more consideration for those around them instead of having the "I paid to be here so it's all about me" mentality...wouldn't everyone's vacation be just a little bit better if we did?
 

Count me in as someone who doesn't believe that parades are just for children. Your statements are very offensive. It doesn't make an adult someone who "lacks common sense" or is indecent because they want to view the entertainment they paid to see.

Anyone can enjoy a parade. I never said otherwise. I did say that the parades, theme parks, most Disney movies, television programming and merchandise are tailored primarily for children. It doesn't mean that adults cannot participate but let's not forget who the primary audience is. If you wish to debate that point , I am not sure it would be worth my time.
 
I didn't say that there weren't some people out there who would. However your original post indicated it was a blanket approach of aggression from people who don't have children against people who do.

In Walt Disney's time, no one could probably even imagine an adult pushing a kid out of the way to watch the Mickey Mouse float go by. It just didn't happen. Now, people without kids seem to have some sort of irrational aggressiveness towards people with kids, even in places primarily designed for children. It amazes me when people go to a theme park built for the enjoyment of families and then complain about all the annoying kids. It is not even rational.

In my personal experience, I've had far more parents being very aggressive toward me because their precious child is apparently the most important person in the world and deserves whatever it is they are wanting. I would absolutely stand by ground to see a parade, show, fireworks. Everyone is equal at the parks. I paid my money, like everyone else. If I can help someone else see, then I'll move over, let kids stand in front of me, make space for others. However I won't allow my own view to be blocked, by child or adult. Especially when they arrive a few minutes before and I've been standing there for 30 minutes or more. Yes, I might let a few little ones in front of me, however I'm not going to let 3-4, their mother, their father, their grandparents, their uncles. And yes this actually almost happened to us in October. Apparently letting two kids stand in front of us meant the entire family could push in front too.

I have as much "right" to see anything at WDW as anyone else there, including children. If everyone can see, great. I have and will continue to ask people to move or take their kids off their shoulders when people are blocking us, especially when we arrived first.

Last trip, we watched MSEP and arrived under 10 minutes before it started. We were a few "rows" of people back and didn't complain once about our poor view. It was our fault, we had just walked up at the last minute. If we know we are blocking people, we will try and move over, let people squeeze in. However if people refuse to plan, that isn't my problem. I won't give up my own view for them. We all have to coexist. I do have a problem when people are told they are blocking the view of others (by an iPad, child on the shoulders, pushing forward) and being told "Yeah well I want to see or "Yeah well my kid wants to see." We ALL want to see, that's why we are here!

I'm not suggesting the children are rude, it's their parents. I'm not advocating rudeness, violence or aggression. However, while someones child might be the most precious and important person in the universe to a parent/s, they aren't the centre of the actual universe. I'm sorry but being "5" or whatever age doesn't give you an automatic right over everyone else to see a parade or a show or fireworks. If the parents want to make sure their child can see = plan! People shouldn't turn up 5 minutes before the parade and expect everyone else to make a wide path for them when they have been standing there for, sometimes, an hour or more.

Multiple times just on this simple message board thread there have been responders who have taken aggressive, even threatening stances in order to "defend their right" to see a parade. Stories of kids hands being stepped on and one person advocating a physical confrontation if a child wasn't taken down off of shoulders. And this is while people are in the relative comfort of their own home typing on a message board. How do you think these people would be in the Florida heat, frustrated and angry? Don't pretend that there are not people out there that would push your child over to get something they think they are entitled too. Heck, watch all the videos posted on Black Friday before Christmas. People go absolutely crazy when they feel they may miss out on something they feel entitled too. It's not all as ridiculous as you are trying to make it sound.
 
I totally agree with this. BugsDaddy, you seem convinced that Disney World is only for children, and therefore those of us without children should just step aside and give priority to children. Well sorry, but no. If I stake out a spot for a parade 30 minutes in advance, that's my spot; it doesn't mean I have to give it up to a child whose parents show up 5 minutes before the parade starts and expect me to give it to their child. (Although to be honest, I can't recall ever having experienced this personally, but I've seen plenty of reports of it happening here.)

I never said it was only for children but it certainly is designed primarily for children. Your attitude is the one I disagree with. You would not let a 4 year old move up in front of you to see the parade even if it meant no worse view for you just because "you were there first"?
 
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Threads like these give me parade anxiety. I don't have kids, but I do want to see the parade. :(
 
I never said it was only for children but it certainly is designed primarily for children. Your attitude is the one I disagree with. You would not let a 4 year old move up in front of you to see the parade even if it meant no worse view for you just because "you were there first"?

Then why do you keep saying that adults should move aside for children? (Also, it's unlikely that I could move aside since I'd probably be squashed up against the person next to me if I did.) And how could I let a child in front of me if I'm sitting on the curb? They don't allow sitting in the street. If a parent wants their child to be able to see the parade, they need to stake out a spot ahead of time, not get there just before it starts and expect an adult to move aside.
 
I glanced through some of the responses...didn't et to read all..

However, as an adult at Disney (and being a parent or not really doesn't play in to this), I always give way for kids...especially little ones. If having your child on your shoulder (let's face it, unless Hercules or something, the kid would be 7 years old tops) makes it easier for the kid to see the parade - then let that's OK even if it can be annoying. I'm an adult and can be flexible and figure a way to see and if it's not the best view I can easily get over it. Whereas for a kid the level of importance for seeing is so much more...

There are many times I would move from my curbside front row seat to let a child squeeze in. I would stand behind my son and the parents of the other child can stand behind theirs. As long as my kid can see I'm fine and I think other parents feel that way. So let the kids in the front..and if putting them up on your shoulders helps them see better that's OK because I don't think you're doing it to be rude to me, but instead to allow your child to see what they are so excited to see...HOWEVER if you disregard my child and block their view and muscle them out of their viewing area so you as an adult can see better or have no regard for my child while trying to push in and get a prime view for your child then I may politely say something if I can't find a way to adjust so my child can see.
 
Threads like these give me parade anxiety. I don't have kids, but I do want to see the parade. :(

Don't stress too much. I've gone to WDW on a few trips with just my dad, and he loves the parades. We just make sure we camp out on the Main Street curb ahead of time. Once we see people getting their spots and the route starts to fill in, we get our spot. It does mean holding your spot for maybe an hour ahead of time. But we eat ice cream and people watch.:goodvibes

Or head over to Frontier Land, and watch the parade there. You don't need to get your spot quite so far in advance. But if you want a front row you do need to get there around 30 minutes prior to the parade.
 
Then why do you keep saying that adults should move aside for children? (Also, it's unlikely that I could move aside since I'd probably be squashed up against the person next to me if I did.) And how could I let a child in front of me if I'm sitting on the curb? They don't allow sitting in the street. If a parent wants their child to be able to see the parade, they need to stake out a spot ahead of time, not get there just before it starts and expect an adult to move aside.

I have been to many parades and let many kids go in front of me to be able to see better and it didn't cause a worse view for me or much movement or discomfort on my end. You are exaggerating the inconvenience on your part because you are taking a stance that you shouldn't have to move for anyone.
 
I never said it was only for children but it certainly is designed primarily for children. Your attitude is the one I disagree with. You would not let a 4 year old move up in front of you to see the parade even if it meant no worse view for you just because "you were there first"?

Personally, I would let a child in front of me if we could (if we are kerbside for the parade, we can't since no one is allowed on the street) however I won't let their whole family push in front. They can stand a row back where they can see their child.
 
Don't stress too much. I've gone to WDW on a few trips with just my dad, and he loves the parades. We just make sure we camp out on the Main Street curb ahead of time. Once we see people getting their spots and the route starts to fill in, we get our spot. It does mean holding your spot for maybe an hour ahead of time. But we eat ice cream and people watch.:goodvibes

Or head over to Frontier Land, and watch the parade there. You don't need to get your spot quite so far in advance. But if you want a front row you do need to get there around 30 minutes prior to the parade.

Thanks! I was planning on the Frontierland approach with Dole Whips in hand. :goodvibes I would love to have a curb seat for Festival of Fantasy! I just hope we don't have to fight anyone for it after planning and waiting there. I'm sure the scenarios I read on the forums are the exceptions, not the rule. I keep assuring myself of that, heh!
 
I have been to many parades and let many kids go in front of me to be able to see better and it didn't cause a worse view for me or much movement or discomfort on my end. You are exaggerating the inconvenience on your part because you are taking a stance that you shouldn't have to move for anyone.

I shouldn't have to move for someone who arrives at the last minute when I've been sitting there for half an hour because it rewards their lack of planning. (And just for the record, I'm not saying I wouldn't move if there was room, but at 5 minutes before the parade starts, I doubt there would be room.) And again, if I'm sitting on the curb, I can't let someone in front of me because it's not allowed.
 
I shouldn't have to move for someone who arrives at the last minute when I've been sitting there for half an hour because it rewards their lack of planning. (And just for the record, I'm not saying I wouldn't move if there was room, but at 5 minutes before the parade starts, I doubt there would be room.) And again, if I'm sitting on the curb, I can't let someone in front of me because it's not allowed.

:thumbsup2 I'm absolutely with you on this. At the end of the day, people need to plan their trips and know how to tour. Much of it is common sense. There is one parade a day, most people in the park want to see it. Therefore, you can't turn up 2 minutes before it starts and expect to get a prime spot.
 
:thumbsup2 I'm absolutely with you on this. At the end of the day, people need to plan their trips and know how to tour. Much of it is common sense. There is one parade a day, most people in the park want to see it. Therefore, you can't turn up 2 minutes before it starts and expect to get a prime spot.

Good idea. Next time explain to the 4 year old that even though you could theoretically move to the side slightly and let him see that you will not do that because his parents did not put together a proper Disney touring plan and did not anticipate expected crowd levels and it's really just out of principle that you cannot move over. Nothing personal.
 
Good idea. Next time explain to the 4 year old that even though you could theoretically move to the side slightly and let him see that you will not do that because his parents did not put together a proper Disney touring plan and did not anticipate expected crowd levels and it's really just out of principle that you cannot move over. Nothing personal.

You seem incredibly invested in this. I don't think it's really that big a deal. It's just a parade. Worst comes to the worst, watch it on Youtube or from Frontierland/Liberty Square!
 
Anyone can enjoy a parade. I never said otherwise. I did say that the parades, theme parks, most Disney movies, television programming and merchandise are tailored primarily for children. It doesn't mean that adults cannot participate but let's not forget who the primary audience is. If you wish to debate that point , I am not sure it would be worth my time.

Well here's your problem, then. This seems to be the main premise on which you have based your child-centric attitude. I suggest you re-think it. Because you are WRONG. Disney parks were not tailored for children. They were tailored for families. And guess what- families come in all different configurations. Some of them consist entirely of adults. And aside from FP, Disney parks attractions are accessible on a first come, first served basis. That includes parades and fireworks. You want to see them? Then get there early. You don't jump queues because your child is more important than everyone else, do you? Or do you? When going into a show you don't require a family to move just because your child wants to sit in a particular seat, do you?

I totally understand that for you your very special (yes I'm going to say it) snowflake is the center of your universe. But he isn't the center of mine. The fact that you (and those like you) think that putting your child (and you) ahead of everyone else is perfectly fine, showing complete lack of respect and courtesy for those around you, is what caused this thread in the first place. It is the fact that you EXPECT your child to be given precedence over everyone else. Sorry, bud, but your inability to plan properly does not constitute an emergency on my part. If you want your child to get a curb side seat to watch a parade, then get there in time.

Do I allow children in front of me to watch a parade? Difficult at times, since I am in a wheelchair and that chair is usually right at the rope, but yes I do if possible. Do I allow their entire extended family? Forget that! And if you want to place your snookie ookums on your shoulders to view a parade or fireworks? Then have the consideration that you seem to demand from others-stand in the back so you aren't obstructing the view of those behind you.
 
Good idea. Next time explain to the 4 year old that even though you could theoretically move to the side slightly and let him see that you will not do that because his parents did not put together a proper Disney touring plan and did not anticipate expected crowd levels and it's really just out of principle that you cannot move over. Nothing personal.

In your explanation to the 4yo, don't forget to tell him that they paid the same money to be there and money is more important than being kind and considerate to strangers. It's a good lesson for him to learn early on so that he could grow up to be the same way.
 
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