Kids and Grades

[Magpie]

Thanks for the update, Poohlove!
That is good news!

Yep, this thread is way over the lines....
But the poster who mentioned it, yes, 'welcome to the DIS'.

There are two or three VERY HOT topics where this is guaranteed to happen.
Education ( Teachers -vs- Parents) is one of them.
It got so bad at one point that many here were refusing to even discuss the topic, (especially those on one particular side) and that is what really doused the flames for a while.

PS: Just to continue the conversation... I do not think that an online computer system that may or may not be correct, and may or not even be updated in a timely manner, is enough. Teachers might have a lot of wishful thinking that this should be true... But, sometimes, when something seems off, yes, it is time to handle it the old fashioned way... you know.... face to face.

Way over the line...?

I thought everyone was being very civil.

 

[sam_gordon]

Way over the line...?

I thought everyone was being very civil.

I agree. I think people forget you can't read "tone" in a post. And what the writer put down in a certain tone is read by others as confrontational/accusatory and offense is taken when none is meant.

Others need to realize that when you post on a message board, others will key on various topics and comment on them. I think that's the point of a message board.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

I agree. I think people forget you can't read "tone" in a post. And what the writer put down in a certain tone is read by others as confrontational/accusatory and offense is taken when none is meant.

Others need to realize that when you post on a message board, others will key on various topics and comment on them. I think that's the point of a message board.

 

[DopeyDame]

Which colleges and universities do this? There are several in my city, and they all require high school completion.

There are lots of colleges that will admit students without a high school diploma.

Our local community college is adamant about that - come in, take the placement tests, and get started. No need for a HS diploma. The college President says over and over and over again "We don't care where you start, we just want you to finish!"

There are also dual enrollment programs all over the country where you get both HS and college credit, typically a coordinated effort between community colleges and local public school systems.

On the other end of the spectrum there are some programs for extremely gifted kids to start college early http://cty.jhu.edu/imagine/resources/college_entrance.html

 

[DopeyDame]

Way over the line...?

I thought everyone was being very civil.

I'm totally with you. When ever people talk about how nasty the Dis can be, I'm always left to wonder where else on the internet they spend their time. There are some really nasty places around, and the Dis is consistently one of the friendliest and most helpful. This thread is sunshine, rainbows, and lolipops compared to most other open discussion boards I've seen.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Okay... I haven't followed every post here on the thread, so 'over the line' might have been an expressive over-statement.
I will apologize for that! (I am remembering all the similar threads from the times I mentioned to the one poster, that did really cross the line)

You are definitely right, DopeyDame!

But, for this thread to have gone the way it has, with the same, age old, teachers -vs- parents viewpoints/arguments. Well, like another poster said, it is the DIS.

I guess that trying to say things in a 'civil' manner does not always hide the intent.
Any indications that a teacher might be less than perfect equates to being a 'teacher hater'.
And any comments from the other side come off as 'parent bashing'.
Any parent who is not just perfect, and handle something exactly the way the poster would, is one of 'Those Parents'.

 

[Poohlove]

My internet usage consists of the occasional virtual shopping trip, Pinterest, Instagram where I follow/am followed by only people who I know, some light news reading and the DIS. I do find it uncalled for when total strangers start telling other total strangers how they should be raising/handling affairs with their children when their opinion is not solicited, message board or not. (My grandmother always said "Just because you can doesn't always mean that you should".) What works for you and yours may not work for me and mine. Do I think I am an authority on parenting and that you don't know what you are doing because we are different, no I don't. Unless someone specifically asks how something should be handled I keep my opinions and comments to myself. As I have said probably about 4 times, my initial question was whether or not anyone had similar experiences not please tell me how to handle this situation.

I will definitely think twice before starting anything more than a lighthearted thread here though, while yes this was a "civil" thread the intention was lost.

 

[kamik86]

Which also wouldn't make sense because then it wouldn't be the lowest graded quiz.

Actually dropping a students lowest quiz grade could hurt a grade depending on how the grades are determined if the student's lowest quiz grade is better then most of their non quiz grades.

Lets say a student has these grades:
Homework 70, 80, 75, 85, 80, 75
Quiz 100, 95, 90

Now if the teacher says homework is 50% and quizes are 50% the student has a homework grade of 77.5 and a quiz grade of 95 for an overall 86.5 with no dropping or if they drop the lowest quiz a quiz grade of 97.5 and an overall grade of 87.5. Dropping helped.

However if the teacher doesn't weight the grade areas and averages them all as equal this will hurt anyone whose lowest quiz grade is better then most of their other assignments. In this case a straight average of all grades would give an 83.3 without dropping or a 82.5 if you drop the 90 on the quiz.

 

[Magpie]

Actually dropping a students lowest quiz grade could hurt a grade depending on how the grades are determined if the student's lowest quiz grade is better then most of their non quiz grades.

Lets say a student has these grades:
Homework 70, 80, 75, 85, 80, 75
Quiz 100, 95, 90

Now if the teacher says homework is 50% and quizes are 50% the student has a homework grade of 77.5 and a quiz grade of 95 for an overall 86.5 with no dropping or if they drop the lowest quiz a quiz grade of 97.5 and an overall grade of 87.5. Dropping helped.

However if the teacher doesn't weight the grade areas and averages them all as equal this will hurt anyone whose lowest quiz grade is better then most of their other assignments. In this case a straight average of all grades would give an 83.3 without dropping or a 82.5 if you drop the 90 on the quiz.

In my experience, it's the lowest grade on any assignment or test that gets dropped, not just the lowest in one category.

So, they'd be dropping that 70 in the homework, and the student's grade overall would rise.

You're right - dropping a grade in just one area of work could definitely skew the results.

 

[Poohlove]

Soldier's*Sweeties said: ↑
Which also wouldn't make sense because then it wouldn't be the lowest graded quiz.
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Actually dropping a students lowest quiz grade could hurt a grade depending on how the grades are determined if the student's lowest quiz grade is better then most of their non quiz grades.

Lets say a student has these grades:
Homework 70, 80, 75, 85, 80, 75
Quiz 100, 95, 90

Now if the teacher says homework is 50% and quizes are 50% the student has a homework grade of 77.5 and a quiz grade of 95 for an overall 86.5 with no dropping or if they drop the lowest quiz a quiz grade of 97.5 and an overall grade of 87.5. Dropping helped.

However if the teacher doesn't weight the grade areas and averages them all as equal this will hurt anyone whose lowest quiz grade is better then most of their other assignments. In this case a straight average of all grades would give an 83.3 without dropping or a 82.5 if you drop the 90 on the quiz.

I would also like to point out that I am not the one who posted about this being the scenario for my daughter, it was another poster with Pooh in their username. I think that maybe this is what was causing confusion for some.

 

[Magpie]

Okay... I haven't followed every post here on the thread, so 'over the line' might have been an expressive over-statement.
I will apologize for that! (I am remembering all the similar threads from the times I mentioned to the one poster, that did really cross the line)

You are definitely right, DopeyDame!

But, for this thread to have gone the way it has, with the same, age old, teachers -vs- parents viewpoints/arguments. Well, like another poster said, it is the DIS.

I guess that trying to say things in a 'civil' manner does not always hide the intent.
Any indications that a teacher might be less than perfect equates to being a 'teacher hater'.
And any comments from the other side come off as 'parent bashing'.
Any parent who is not just perfect, and handle something exactly the way the poster would, is one of 'Those Parents'.

I always try to assume good intentions, until proven otherwise.

It's cut way down on the number of times I've had to apologize for assuming a hostile intent that wasn't there.

 

[Wishing on a star]

TRUE!!!

 

[sam_gordon]

But, for this thread to have gone the way it has, with the same, age old, teachers -vs- parents viewpoints/arguments.

Just because I'm blind, how else would the thread go?

 

[Poohforyou]

In my experience, it's the lowest grade on any assignment or test that gets dropped, not just the lowest in one category.

So, they'd be dropping that 70 in the homework, and the student's grade overall would rise.

You're right - dropping a grade in just one area of work could definitely skew the results.

In my daughter's class it was the lowest quiz grade that the teacher was willing to drop, no other grade category even if weighed the same as a quiz. My daughter's quiz grades were really high so dropping even the lowest would have lowered her overall grade.

Had it been something else weighed the same as a quiz it would have improved her overall grade. She asked her teacher about that but it was a no.

 

[sam_gordon]

My internet usage consists of the occasional virtual shopping trip, Pinterest, Instagram where I follow/am followed by only people who I know, some light news reading and the DIS. I do find it uncalled for when total strangers start telling other total strangers how they should be raising/handling affairs with their children when their opinion is not solicited, message board or not. (My grandmother always said "Just because you can doesn't always mean that you should".) What works for you and yours may not work for me and mine. Do I think I am an authority on parenting and that you don't know what you are doing because we are different, no I don't. Unless someone specifically asks how something should be handled I keep my opinions and comments to myself. As I have said probably about 4 times, my initial question was whether or not anyone had similar experiences not please tell me how to handle this situation.

I will definitely think twice before starting anything more than a lighthearted thread here though, while yes this was a "civil" thread the intention was lost.

Keep in mind people will respond to the OP and then other people will respond to them. Then other people respond to them. I don't feel like going back through the thread to see when/how it diverged, but that's not unusual for an internet message board. It's like talking in a group to your friends.

Let's say you were talking to five friends and say "We're driving from Indianapolis to Florida, using I65. Have you had an experience with that route?" Would it be rude for someone to say "We use 74 to 75 and go that way, here's why... ". Just because someone says they'd do something different from you doesn't mean they're criticizing you. That was my point about folks taking offense when there's none intended. Along the same lines, someone can read the post I just quoted and think "Poohlove is telling me I'm wrong the way I use the message board." Did anyone ask you for the proper way?

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Did I miss something??? I saw no nastiness or snark on this thread at all.

 

[sam_gordon]

Did I miss something??? I saw no nastiness or snark on this thread at all.

Apparently there was "intent" to insult someone.

 

[Magpie]

Keep in mind people will respond to the OP and then other people will respond to them. Then other people respond to them. I don't feel like going back through the thread to see when/how it diverged, but that's not unusual for an internet message board. It's like talking in a group to your friends.

Let's say you were talking to five friends and say "We're driving from Indianapolis to Florida, using I65. Have you had an experience with that route?" Would it be rude for someone to say "We use 74 to 75 and go that way, here's why... ". Just because someone says they'd do something different from you doesn't mean they're criticizing you. That was my point about folks taking offense when there's none intended. Along the same lines, someone can read the post I just quoted and think "Poohlove is telling me I'm wrong the way I use the message board." Did anyone ask you for the proper way?

I agree completely!

Heck, in that group of five friends, it's entirely possible someone will give you their opinion of Florida as a vacation destination ("I went once. Never going back!"). And someone else might counter with how they haven't given Florida a chance. And the next thing you know, half the group is completely sidetracked debating the merits of different vacation destinations. While at the same time, the other half continue to debate the merits of different routes, sharing all sorts of different personal experiences. None of it's meant to insult the original questioner. It's just conversation!

With luck, somewhere in the chatter, the original questioner will find all the answers she needs.

(This pretty much describes an evening with my extended family.)

 

[Poohlove]

Apparently there was "intent" to insult someone.

This is the type of passive aggressive "snark" that I am referring to. I have seen it from you on other threads as well.

 

[Hikergirl]

My internet usage consists of the occasional virtual shopping trip, Pinterest, Instagram where I follow/am followed by only people who I know, some light news reading and the DIS. I do find it uncalled for when total strangers start telling other total strangers how they should be raising/handling affairs with their children when their opinion is not solicited, message board or not. (My grandmother always said "Just because you can doesn't always mean that you should".) What works for you and yours may not work for me and mine. Do I think I am an authority on parenting and that you don't know what you are doing because we are different, no I don't. Unless someone specifically asks how something should be handled I keep my opinions and comments to myself. As I have said probably about 4 times, my initial question was whether or not anyone had similar experiences not please tell me how to handle this situation.

I will definitely think twice before starting anything more than a lighthearted thread here though, while yes this was a "civil" thread the intention was lost.

Sorry but you can't really control what people decide to talk about. You open yourself up for comments on everything you choose to share. You are exposing yourself to alot of people here, not all of them are going to think exactly like you and respond exactly how you want them too. Sometimes its just better to stick with people in real life if you want to control the conversation.