Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis found in contempt, going to jail

[LAB81018]

I see that it is the Clerk's lawyers who are espousing this "opinion" that any licenses issued by the deputies *might* not be valid. It was also this lawyer's "opinion" that she could ignore the Court's directive that she issue the licenses. And, we see how valid that "opinion" was. I wouldn't worry too much until a court finds that the deputies are not authorized. She really is a spiteful woman isn't she? "I won't do it because my conscious forbids it, and my conscious gets to dictate for everyone else too." Gee, I wonder who really is trying to foist their viewpoint on others?

The Lawyer is a moron.

Are we to believe that she wouldn't have taken a day off, been sick?

"Sorry can't issue any licenses today, Kim is taking a spa day." "Kim is out sick today. She ate some potato salad that had been sitting in the sun all day at the church picnic. So no licenses."

These deputies had to have been given the same issuing powers that she was given.

Does anyone know if these deputy clerks are appointed by her. I am wondering if they are, that's why she won't quit if her son is one of them and would be out of a job otherwise.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I would just like to point out, that if the roles were reversed, and Kim Davis was a lesbian, and refused to give heterosexual couples marriage licenses because it was her belief, people would be up in arms at her saying how wrong she was, pointing out that she has no right to do that.

She didn't issue marriage licenses to anyone, after the ruling. At least, this is my understanding. I don't think, this will be the only instance we see.

I may not agree with what she is doing, but Kim Davis is standing by her convictions and must live with the consequences. No different, than other folks with a cause.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Too bad the QB position of the Patriots is taken now.

Well, she'd have the lack of ethics required for the job.

Seriously, guys? Are you sure you don't mean the more-likely-to-become-available NFL Commissioner position? The Patriots do have a backup QB.

But liberals certainly feel it's fine to FORCE their beliefs on everyone. Hypocrisy at its finest.

How is it hypocritical to believe an elected official should be performing all functions of the office? That apparent conservative seems more the hypocrite.

Again, no one is being forced to marry someone of the opposite sex.

Nobody is being forced to marry anybody.

Where did I say any of this was "okay"? Personally, I feel those who "hired" her, should decide her fate.

And, to be clear, she didn't issue a license to A.YONE...PERIOD.

Well, first, there's no need to say "hired" when you mean elected. She's been in that office since at least the 2012 election; probably a Kentucky resident would have better knowledge how long each term is. With a Legislature that can get everything done between 30 and 90 days a year, chances are slim the state will hold a special election so voters can decide her rate.

I know very little about Kentucky.

It's okay. You know a lot about the world, and probably more about Kentucky than most U.S. natives know about any province .

but Kim Davis is standing by her convictions and must live with the consequences. No different than other folks with a cause.

Refusing to perform one's job isn't a cause, it's a stance. Any individual is entitled to hold her or his convictions. However, as an employee of the Rowan County voters, Davis is required to perform all the duties of that office. She doesn't get to pick and choose.

 

[kaytieeldr]

So you would be okay with a Muslim refusing a license to a couple because the woman wasn't wearing a burka.

He resigned a few weeks after this went public. I was curious
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ns-interracial-marriage-flap-article-1.413838

 

[Gracie09]

Seriously, guys? Are you sure you don't mean the more-likely-to-become-available NFL Commissioner position? The Patriots do have a backup QB.


How is it hypocritical to believe an elected official should be performing all functions of the office? That apparent conservative seems more the hypocrite.

Nobody is being forced to marry anybody.

Well, first, there's no need to say "hired" when you mean elected. She's been in that office since at least the 2012 election; probably a Kentucky resident would have better knowledge how long each term is. With a Legislature that can get everything done between 30 and 90 days a year, chances are slim the state will hold a special election so voters can decide her rate.

It's okay. You know a lot about the world, and probably more about Kentucky than most U.S. natives know about any province .

Refusing to perform one's job isn't a cause, it's a stance. Any individual is entitled to hold her or his convictions. However, as an employee of the Rowan County voters, Davis is required to perform all the duties of that office. She doesn't get to pick and choose.

She was first elected in November 2014 and sworn in in January 2015. Her mother held the job before her.

 

[rickybobby]

What Scotus decision makes those the actions of those officials in contempt?

Although bills have been introduced in Congress no law has been enacted.

Wrong,wrong,wrong. The SCOTUS would refuse to hear this, as it is already law, but is not being enforced. This could possibly be used as a defense in this woman's case, showing selective enforcement, but I will stop here, as I know I am treading on the political waters. Sorry Moderators.

 

[Gracie09]

Wrong,wrong,wrong. The SCOTUS would refuse to hear this, as it is already law, but is not being enforced. This could possibly be used as a defense in this woman's case, showing selective enforcement, but I will stop here, as I know I am treading on the political waters. Sorry Moderators.

Selective enforcement of what. If you are talking about the other clerks in the other parts of the state stating they would not issue licenses, my understanding is they have stated this but have not actually denied a couple a license. So there is no contempt until there is an action (or inaction in this case). If you are talking about sanctuary cities, that is a completely different issue and has no bearing on this case so it's a defense of nothing.

 

[Kimberlyann11]

Wrong,wrong,wrong. The SCOTUS would refuse to hear this, as it is already law, but is not being enforced. This could possibly be used as a defense in this woman's case, showing selective enforcement, but I will stop here, as I know I am treading on the political waters. Sorry Moderators.

No, go ahead, you already started. I think this veers more into law than politics anyways. The policies in sanctuary cities don't violate anyones rights. They're not keeping a whole group of people from participating in life.

It's an apples and oranges comparison.

 

[usd2bmd]

/ I applaud her standing firm in her beliefs. I think it wrong for her to be arrested.

Her religious beliefs should not come into play when performing the job she is paid to do. If there is a conflict with your religion then you find another line of work. She swore on a bile to uphold the constitution, she did NOT swear on the constitution to uphold the bible.

Not to mention that she seems pefectly fine with committing adultery and divorce. She is hypocritical at best and it's about time she ended up in jail.

 

[usd2bmd]

Sad day in America to be arrested for religious beliefs,

What if your religiuos beliefs include being a pacifist and you refused to issue a gun license? If you want a society based on your own religious beliefs, then by all means go off somewhere and start your own, but this society does not function based on them.

 

[sam_gordon]

Does anyone know if Davis will still be collecting her Clerk salary while incarcerated? It's $80K/year. FWIW, the median household income for Rowan County is $35K. Source

 

[luvsJack]

Since she is judging other people's personal lives and making illegal decisions based on those judgements, it is certainly fair that her own personal life is scrutinized.

She isn't judging their personal life. By her beliefs two men (for instance) should not be married. Two men come to get a license, she refuses. That isn't judging. That is simply making a decision of what she will do with the facts she has before her.

I don't agree with her and she should have stepped down just as many others have done before her. But all of us make decisions based on the facts we have and by our beliefs of what is right and wrong, she is no different she just broke the law in doing so.

 

[sam_gordon]

She isn't judging their personal life. By her beliefs two men (for instance) should not be married. Two men come to get a license, she refuses. That isn't judging. That is simply making a decision of what she will do with the facts she has before her.

I don't agree with her and she should have stepped down just as many others have done before her. But all of us make decisions based on the facts we have and by our beliefs of what is right and wrong, she is no different she just broke the law in doing so.

But she is also denying licenses to heterosexual couples.

 

[usd2bmd]

I don't agree with this lady's actions and think she's full of BS, but I don't think jail is the answer. Impeach her or fine her, but let's not make the jail system anymore crowded than it already is. Without impeaching her, she's just going to do the same thing when she gets out.

The problem is that the impeachment process cannot even begin until the next session which would not be until early next year. The judge coul dnot let this farce continue for another 4 months.

 

[usd2bmd]

But liberals certainly feel it's fine to FORCE their beliefs on everyone. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Liberals don't ask you to live the life that they want, they are just asking for the same rights that conservatives already have.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

I haven't read all of the replies yet but I'm glad she was.

No... She shouldn't be FORCED to do something she morally objects to(which I don't agree with BTW), but then she needs a different job.

I can't work as Price Chopper and refuse to sell someone steak if I'm a vegan.

 

[luvsJack]

If they were a vegetarian in their 20's and decided to be a vegan at 30, they would be a hypocrite if they ate meat in their 20s.

No version of vegetarianism (Christianity) condones eating meat (adultery).

But buying the vegetables in her 20's doesn't make one a vegetarian. You actually have to accept and follow the way of eating. We don't know when she made the decision to live that life.

Its like the saying "sitting in church doesn't make you a Christian no more than sitting in a garage makes you a car" Maybe in those years she was just trying to be a car.

We don't where she was in her life before now. Many people have done many things in their lives and have changed. Following those new beliefs does not make them a hipocrite.

 

[Gracie09]

She isn't judging their personal life. By her beliefs two men (for instance) should not be married. Two men come to get a license, she refuses. That isn't judging. That is simply making a decision of what she will do with the facts she has before her.

I don't agree with her and she should have stepped down just as many others have done before her. But all of us make decisions based on the facts we have and by our beliefs of what is right and wrong, she is no different she just broke the law in doing so.

Of course she's judging them. She is deciding based on her personal beliefs that they should not be permitted to marry and enjoy the numerous benefits (personal, financial etc) that being married entails. That is not her job. Her job is to take their paperwork, verify its accuracy and stamp the license. Not perform the wedding not agree or disagree with the couples lifestyle. Simply push the papers

 

[luvsJack]

But she is also denying licenses to heterosexual couples.

Yeah I know, just using an example.

 

[Gracie09]

But buying the vegetables in her 20's doesn't make one a vegetarian. You actually have to accept and follow the way of eating. We don't know when she made the decision to live that life.

Its like the saying "sitting in church doesn't make you a Christian no more than sitting in a garage makes you a car" Maybe in those years she was just trying to be a car.

We don't where she was in her life before now. Many people have done many things in their lives and have changed. Following those new beliefs does not make them a hipocrite.

She can live life anyway she wants but she cannot prevent others from living the life they want. Her rights stop where the rights of other start