Katie Holmes and former fiance Chris Klein

That could happen. On a slightly related but somewhat unrelated note I was reading up on Sean Astin the other day (Rudy, Lord of the Rings). Apparently he grew up thinking Desi Arnez Jr. was his father (was adopted by John Astin as a child and considers him his real father). He later had DNA testing done and learned his father was someone entirely different (Michael Tell)....so I am thinking misinformation about the biological father is nothing new in Hollywood and Sean has no issues with his Mom because of it.

I think Sean might be rather unique if it didn't bother him at all that his parents lied to him all those years. Tom and Katie are taking a huge chance if they know Tom isn't the father. They aren't going to be able to keep this from Suri forever and I am guessing she would rather hear it from them instead of a tabloid.
 
WOAH. Mind was just blown reading that, I had zero idea and I always thought I knew everything odd about hollywood.

Patti has some serious esplaining to do.

I don't even remember what compelled me to look him up..I was watching Hollywood Treasures and I was thinking how he and Mackenzie don't look much a like so I looked him up and had no idea there was all that "controversy" around his parentage..apparently to add to the controversy when Patty started dating Desi Arnaz Jr he was 17 and she was 23 and Lucille Ball very vocally objected to it all! Crazy stuff and goes to show that crazy stuff in regards to who is the father of who is nothing new ;)
 
The way I see it, Tom loves her. He's been there as her dad. She loves him and thinks of him as her dad. Thus, he is her dad. Don't care who planted the seed.

yep...I agree and I think he proved it further by not pursueing the custody/Scientology issue. I think it is a mega combination of a lot..and I am also of the mind set that Katie does not get a free pass because she was in love...she still has a brain and posse around her that more than tried to guide her and inform her of Tom's way of life~I am not a fan of Cruise's..not at all, but I am hoping that he maybe learned from what his kids and Nicole were put thru, that he decided not to repeat the same mess?Yeah, Katie probably has something substantial, but the timing was too calulated for this to be ONLY about Scientology..it's not like the cult was just sprung on her out of nowhere. Suri is a beautiful kid, but she will be a handfull...I am not sure that Katie enrolled her in Catholic school so much as a slam to Scientology..but more so for structure, perhaps....who knows..my friends who went to parochial school were W-I-L-D...so I guess that blows my own theory ,lol. I do have a beef with Katie tho...as others mentioned, if she knows for sure who the bio daddy is -if it isn't Tom-(I know, Mimi said blanks, but science/technology has come a long way from when they were married)If she withholds that info from Suri, then she has her own bad parent title to deal with. Either way...another dysfunctional celebrity mess...shocker.
 
I do think there is quite a simple explanation of how Mimi Rogers could claim that Tom Cruise was infertile, yet he could go on to father a biological child in Suri (and I guess I have no clue from looking at Suri and him whether or not he is the bio father...could go either way IMO). Anyway, he was divorced from Mimi in 1990. In the late 1990's (I haven't a clue when it was actually invented...whether 1996 or 1997 ), infertility doctors invented a new method of extracting sperm directly from the testicles which were then used to directly fertilize eggs retrieved for IVF. I know it was "new" procedure when we used it in 1999...had only been around for (at most) 1 or 2 years. It was groundbreaking, cutting edge stuff and allowed people who otherwise were infertile to have biological children. My DH's sperm count via the old fashioned method was ZERO, and yet they were able to retrieve sufficient sperm from his testicles (surgical procedure performed on an outpatient basis) to fertilize the eggs which later became my children.

More than you cared to know, but it would definitely explain why Tom could not seemingly father children with either of his first two wives, but could with the third.

ah...great minds think alike! You posted while I was typing it! :thumbsup2
 

Don't forget, Liv Tyler grew up thinking Todd Rundgren was her dad, not Steven Tyler.


yah and Liv figured it out by age 14 or 15 I think...and that was without ALL the technolgy that is currently supplying all the inuendo about Suri...there is no way Suri will be able to ignore all this info that is floating around. I can just see her reaction now, the day she googles her name........:scared1::rolleyes1
 
I think Sean might be rather unique if it didn't bother him at all that his parents lied to him all those years. Tom and Katie are taking a huge chance if they know Tom isn't the father. They aren't going to be able to keep this from Suri forever and I am guessing she would rather hear it from them instead of a tabloid.

I don't think they lied..I don't think Patty knew (I am guessing..I think the bio dad was questionable for her and she might have assumed it was Desi but it turned out to be some other guy..I do believe Sean knew early on that John Astin was not his biological father).
 
I do think there is quite a simple explanation of how Mimi Rogers could claim that Tom Cruise was infertile, yet he could go on to father a biological child in Suri (and I guess I have no clue from looking at Suri and him whether or not he is the bio father...could go either way IMO). Anyway, he was divorced from Mimi in 1990. In the late 1990's (I haven't a clue when it was actually invented...whether 1996 or 1997 ), infertility doctors invented a new method of extracting sperm directly from the testicles which were then used to directly fertilize eggs retrieved for IVF. I know it was "new" procedure when we used it in 1999...had only been around for (at most) 1 or 2 years. It was groundbreaking, cutting edge stuff and allowed people who otherwise were infertile to have biological children. My DH's sperm count via the old fashioned method was ZERO, and yet they were able to retrieve sufficient sperm from his testicles (surgical procedure performed on an outpatient basis) to fertilize the eggs which later became my children.

More than you cared to know, but it would definitely explain why Tom could not seemingly father children with either of his first two wives, but could with the third.

While all this is true and I am happy to hear of your success,(I have a family member going through the same thing) I don't think it is the case with T and K for the simple reason that it happened SOOOOO quickly!!! And as you probably know this is a very long process that can take years or at least several months if you are lucky.

It was also explained to my family member that sometimes there is nothing in there to extract...
 
I think Suri was carried by a surrogate, thus the belly was NEVER real.

If that is true, why the RUSH on their part? A month earlier they had both said they were waiting till they get married to have sex. Then suddenly she finds out she's pregnant. Oops! :eek:


As for the conspiracy, I always thought that Kate was already pregnant. My theory is that she agreed to pretend Tom is Suri's father because of Chris Klein's alcoholism. He admitted that he was out of control. Maybe she didn't want Suri growing up with that instability.

Then she ends up with wacko couch jumper :Pinkbounc who attacks Matt Lauer, one of the most affable people on the planet. :scared:


The way I see it, Tom loves her. He's been there as her dad. She loves him and thinks of him as her dad. Thus, he is her dad. Don't care who planted the seed.

That may be true, but he loves his image & his career and being in control even more. :tongue:
 
That may be true, but he loves his image & his career and being in control even more. :tongue:

I find it interesting that people know the inner desires and thoughts of people they've never met.
 
I find it interesting that people know the inner desires and thoughts of people they've never met.

Interesting to say that about someone else when the same could be applied about what you said, Pot. :lmao:

The way I see it, Tom loves her. He's been there as her dad. She loves him and thinks of him as her dad. Thus, he is her dad. Don't care who planted the seed.

In both cases, his consistent behavior & actions speak for themselves.
 
It makes no logical sense that he would give Nicole Kidman a HUGE fight over his two children with her (adopted, but still his children with her). With Katie, however, he has a biological child - very much wanted biological child - and then 2 weeks later after the mother of that child files for divorce and for primary custody - boom - she is awarded primary custody, with seemingly no fuss? I mean, he had been through this and WON before. He knows the ropes.
Me thinks that she could have just pulled out a paternity test and had it over with - but it would have gone public. So he tucked tail and gave in.
 
The way I see it, Tom loves her. He's been there as her dad. She loves him and thinks of him as her dad. Thus, he is her dad. Don't care who planted the seed.

Nobody is refuting that or even insinuating it. It's just a playful conversation. Everyone loves a conspiracy theory, so no need to make it into something it's not. :artist:
 
While all this is true and I am happy to hear of your success,(I have a family member going through the same thing) I don't think it is the case with T and K for the simple reason that it happened SOOOOO quickly!!! And as you probably know this is a very long process that can take years or at least several months if you are lucky.

It was also explained to my family member that sometimes there is nothing in there to extract...


If you are TC and Katie Holmes it could indeed happen very, very fast...in as little as 60 days. And, since Katie was young with no known fertility issues, they had a high likelihood of success. I think you are overestimating how long it takes. I have many friends who had success very quickly (of course, I also know many for whom the process took years....but in those cases, it was a much more complicated infertility diagnosis).
 
Interesting to say that about someone else when the same could be applied about what you said, Pot. :lmao:


In both cases, his consistent behavior & actions speak for themselves.

You're right. I made the assumption that he loves her. I take it back. I don't know if he loves her. I do know that he has been acting as her dad.

You have no way to know the motivation behind his actions regarding her and his career. You just assume that because he wants to be a success that he will sacrifice anything to further his career. You don't know that.
 
It makes no logical sense that he would give Nicole Kidman a HUGE fight over his two children with her (adopted, but still his children with her). With Katie, however, he has a biological child - very much wanted biological child - and then 2 weeks later after the mother of that child files for divorce and for primary custody - boom - she is awarded primary custody, with seemingly no fuss? I mean, he had been through this and WON before. He knows the ropes.
Me thinks that she could have just pulled out a paternity test and had it over with - but it would have gone public. So he tucked tail and gave in.


I definitely think Katie has something big on Tom like I think Tom had something on Nicole. Isn't that just the way Hollywood works?

I don't think paternity is the issue (not saying he is or isn't her bio father). I just don't think paternity would change much and a judge would give him partial custody based on the fact that he has raised her as his own for 6 years.
 
It makes no logical sense that he would give Nicole Kidman a HUGE fight over his two children with her (adopted, but still his children with her). With Katie, however, he has a biological child - very much wanted biological child - and then 2 weeks later after the mother of that child files for divorce and for primary custody - boom - she is awarded primary custody, with seemingly no fuss? I mean, he had been through this and WON before. He knows the ropes.
Me thinks that she could have just pulled out a paternity test and had it over with - but it would have gone public. So he tucked tail and gave in.

If this is so, he "tucked tail" because he was trying to protect his daughter. His name is on the birth certificate, he has been her father for her entire life. The biology matters little in a legal context. He has ALL the rights any father has. Now, it may be (if he is not biologically Suri's father) that he is trying to protect her from that information and that is what he gained by seeming to give in. However, legally, he was in an excellent position to fight.
 
I think there was a lot going on in their marrigae that no one will ever know. I remember after Suri was born Katie was in pictures looking miserable. He seems like a controlling person, which seemed to work in his career, but not in his marriages.
 
You're right. I made the assumption that he loves her. I take it back. I don't know if he loves her. I do know that he has been acting as her dad.

You have no way to know the motivation behind his actions regarding her and his career. You just assume that because he wants to be a success that he will sacrifice anything to further his career. You don't know that.

Well, I will agree with you, I do think he loves Suri..you can see it in his face in the pictures of them together..there is a joy there. I do not think he is her bio dad though. We all know you don't need to be a bio parent to love your child.
 












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