Kansas votes to keep its children ignorant...

[N.Bailey]

Yeah right, and American education standards are already the envy of the world, aren't they?

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You might want to keep in mind that almost EVERY student in the US remains in school till the age of 18. We don't allow our kids to graduate at 16 like some countries (though they can if they're advanced enough). IMO, this pulls our standards way down, but at least everyone here gets 12 years (13 if you count kindergarten) of schooling. If you drop out, it's by choice and not school sanctioned at all.

I won't deny that we have major problems with our education though, but.....

I have no problem teaching evolution alongside creationism in schools.

Edit: When your so called theory of evolution can be proven, I'll change my mind. Till then, it carries no more weight than any other theory. Frankly, I find the theory of evolution quite ridiculous actually. It all happened cause it could? and...it's never happened again?

 

[Free4Life11]

How can you teach "Intelligent Design" in a public school???????????? This really blows my mind.

What's the problem? It's just a theory. We learned all about the native Americans and their God's and we even learned what they believed about creation. I found it very interesting and had no problem with it. I found it interesting. That was one thing I liked, learning about the Native Americans. We did a lot of fun projects.

 

[Free4Life11]

One of the characters in the original Journey Into Imagination ride in Epcot.

Thanks! I never went on that ride.

Thought it was something I should have learned in school...

 

[gigglesnort]

Because it's a public school. Evolution is science, Intelligent Design brings God into the picture. Your example of Native Americans is not working because that was fact and history. Intelligent Design is not a fact.

If you want your kids to learn both, send them to a private school.


(this is in response to above question)

 

[Free4Life11]

Ok so if I dance around chanting for rain, then it will actually rain?

My point is, why are people so close-minded to learning about different theories of how the world came about?

For the record, I don't have a problem with learning about evolution. I personally believe the world was created by God and that he created evolution. I don't believe in the literal 7-day creation.

 

[N.Bailey]

Because it's a public school. Evolution is science, Intelligent Design brings God into the picture. Your example of Indians is not working because that was fact and history. Intelligent Design is not a fact.

If you want your kids to learn both, send them to a private school.


(this is in response to above question)

Well, my kids learned about almost EVERY religion last year (7th grade) in social studies. There was no equal time for a Christian God. So, where does your theory that it's a public school fall now? It's okay to learn about all God's EXCEPT the one that's practiced the most in this country?

Edit: and the theory of evolution is ONLY a theory, so how can you claim it's the right theory and all others shouldn't be taught alongside it?

 

[gigglesnort]

Ok so if I dance around chanting for rain, then it will actually rain?

My point is, why are people so close-minded to learning about different theories of how the world came about?

I'll try and explain this one more time...and I have no idea what your first sentence means....public school science classes are not the place to learn about religion. Intelligent Design brings religion into evolution.

understand?

 

[gigglesnort]

Well, my kids learned about almost EVERY religion last year (7th grade) in social studies. There was no equal time for a Christian God. So, where does your theory that it's a public school fall now? It's okay to learn about all God's EXCEPT the one that's practiced the most in this country?

Not in a science class!!!! You don't teach students in a PUBLIC SCHOOL science class that God created us, Adam and Eve and all that jazz.....

 

[JennyMominRI]

What's the problem? It's just a theory. We learned all about the native Americans and their God's and we even learned what they believed about creation. I found it very interesting and had no problem with it. I found it interesting. That was one thing I liked, learning about the Native Americans. We did a lot of fun projects.

You learned about those in Social studies class or History class..Not in science. It may be a theory but it's not a scientific theory and that is the difference.There is no Scientific method applied to Creationism. It's simply not science,which is exactly whey the state of Kansas had to change the definition of science in order to do this.
How can someone graduate from a public School in this country and not know a difference between a theory and Scientific Theory and not even the basis of Scientific Method?

 

[gigglesnort]

You learned about those in Social studdied class or History class..Not in science... It may be a theory but it's not a scientific theory and that is a difference..There is no Scientific method applied to Creationism. It's simply not sciecne,which is exactly whey the state of Kansas had to change the definition of science in order to do this.

thanks for explaining better than I can.

 

[Free4Life11]

You said Your example of Native Americans is not working because that was fact and history. I was trying to say that we learned about a lot of their customs, but they were not fact and they WERE religious.

Why are people so opposed to learning about religions in school? Don't you go to school to LEARN??

I loved learning about the world religions. It was very eye opening and interesting and we learned about them in a, GASP, public school!

 

[N.Bailey]

I'll try and explain this one more time...and I have no idea what your first sentence means....public schools are not the place to learn about religion. Intelligent Design brings religion into evolution.

understand?

Well, what you don't understand it, religion is taught in just about every public school in this national already. It's just the Christian God that's not allowed.

Understand?

 

[gigglesnort]

You said Your example of Native Americans is not working because that was fact and history. I was trying to say that we learned about a lot of their customs, but they were not fact and they WERE religious.

Why are people so opposed to learning about religions in school? Don't you go to school to LEARN??

I loved learning about the world religions. It was very eye opening and interesting and we learned about them in a, GASP, public school!

When you choose to read the words I am writing and understand them, then we can continue talking. And yes, the fact that Native Americans had gods is a fact. You learned that in history, right?

 

[N.Bailey]

Not in a science class!!!! You don't teach students in a PUBLIC SCHOOL science class that God created us, Adam and Eve and all that jazz.....

So teach evolution in science and implement the religious aspect in social studies. Sounds like a good compromise to me.

 

[gigglesnort]

Well, what you don't understand it, religion is taught in just about every public school in this national already. It's just the Christian God that's not allowed.

Understand?

Find me a public school where religion is brought into science class.

And not in Kansas!!

 

[KarenC]

My son is applying to the University of Kansas. Here's what their chancellor has to say about the controversy in Kansas. (BTW, I have no problem with ID being taught in social studies. It doesn't belong in science.)

Dear Colleagues:

Six years ago the Chronicle of Higher Education published a column I wrote on the evolution controversy. My point of view then, and remarks I have made publicly many times since, should surprise no one: Evolution is the central unifying principle of modern biology, and it must be taught in our high schools, universities and colleges. On a personal level, I see no contradiction in being a person of faith who believes in God and evolution, and I'm sure many others at this university agree.

But the attack on evolution continues across America and compels me to again state the obvious: The University of Kansas is a major public research university, a scientific community. We are committed to fact-based research and teaching. As an academic, scientific community, we must affirm scientific principles.

The university's position is not an attack on anyone. We respect the right of the individual to his or her beliefs, including faith-based beliefs about creation. However, creationism and intelligent design are most appropriately taught in a religion, philosophy, or sociology class, rather than a science class.

I encourage students, faculty and staff to take the opportunity to see the "Explore Evolution" exhibit that will open November 1 at the KU Natural History Museum and Biodiversity Center at Dyche Hall. The exhibit focuses on seven contemporary research projects that contribute to our knowledge of evolution in creatures large and small, from a study of farmer ants to an analysis of the fossils of whales. A grant from the National Science Foundation funded six museums to create the exhibit. I applaud our Natural History Museum for partnering in this project along with the Science Museum of Minnesota and the natural history museums at the universities of Michigan, Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Texas.

The United States cannot accept efforts to undermine the teaching of science. Our focus should be to raise the level of scientific literacy among our citizenry because we face a critical shortage of scientists in the next two decades. As a public research university, we have a special mission to educate tomorrow's scientists and to support the science teachers who will inspire young people to become chemists, geologists, biologists and physicists. Let us use the evolution controversy to intensify our efforts to provide a world-class education to our students and to support the faculty who engage in the important research and teaching missions of our schools and universities.

Sincerely,
Bob Hemenway
Chancellor

 

[Laura]

Edit: and the theory of evolution is ONLY a theory, so how can you claim it's the right theory and all others shouldn't be taught alongside it?

Evolution is a scientific FACT. The process of evolution is what the theory is about. Evolution has been observed, its existence isn't questioned by scientists, but the "how" of evolution isn't fully clear to them.

 

[gigglesnort]

So teach evolution in science and implement the religious aspect in social studies. Sounds like a good compromise to me.

Or send your child to a private school where they can study your religion.

 

[Free4Life11]

I have no trouble understand anything you say.

Compromise: teach about intelligent design in social studies class as part of the world religions.

Why is it called the theory of evolutions? Aren't fact/theory different?

 

[N.Bailey]

You said Your example of Native Americans is not working because that was fact and history. I was trying to say that we learned about a lot of their customs, but they were not fact and they WERE religious.

Why are people so opposed to learning about religions in school? Don't you go to school to LEARN??

I loved learning about the world religions. It was very eye opening and interesting and we learned about them in a, GASP, public school!

I'm sure I learned about various religions when I was in school too, but as already been pointed out, you forget so much. I very much enjoyed learning about the various religions with my kids last year. IMO, it really lets you see what a person comes from.