Kansas votes to keep its children ignorant...

[JennyMominRI]

I would also add I find it a little presumptions of non Christians to constantly tell Christians they have no place!!! Christians have absolutely no belief in the theory of evolution (which has NOT been proven - thus the name THEORY), yet none of us raise heck to get it pulled out of our schools even though it goes against everything we believe in. Perhaps it's the non Christians who should start sending their kids and paying to send their kids to secular schools. Why in the world does your belief trump mine?

Why do my kids (though I enjoyed it) have to study the Muslim religion in school, yet Christianity can't be taught? I find it quite ironic that instead of replying that you didn't feel ANY religion should be taught in school, no matter what the religion, instead you feel I should have to fork over $5000 a year to send my kids to a Christian school. I suppose you don't see the hypocrisy in what you're saying, but some of us see crystal clear.

I'm not quite sure where you get the idea Christinaity can't be taught about in school? It sure is up here in the Democratic,Liberally leaned state of RI.. My kids will also be singing Christmas Carols at the Christmas concert

 

[gigglesnort]

I would also add I find it a little presumptions of non Christians to constantly tell Christians they have no place!!! Christians have absolutely no belief in the theory of evolution (which has NOT been proven - thus the name THEORY), yet none of us raise heck to get it pulled out of our schools even though it goes against everything we believe in. Perhaps it's the non Christians who should start sending their kids and paying to send their kids to secular schools. Why in the world does your belief trump mine?

Why do my kids (though I enjoyed it) have to study the Muslim religion in school, yet Christianity can't be taught? I find it quite ironic that instead of replying that you didn't feel ANY religion should be taught in school, no matter what the religion, instead you feel I should have to fork over $5000 a year to send my kids to a Christian school. I suppose you don't see the hypocrisy in what you're saying, but some of us see crystal clear.

Catholics believe in evolution. Are we not Christian? (no Devo jokes please).

I can't explain again. I could give a monkey's behind what they teach about religion in a history class. But you are speaking of science class. Science is fact. Intelligent Design is not.

I know I'm not alone in this thought.....

 

[JennyMominRI]

Why don't they just teach about the process of evolution.

And then just say the truth is no one knows HOW evolution started. There are many theories including the Big Bang and creationism and if you want to learn more, the library is located in Room ____.

Because creationism is not a scientific theory

 

[JennyMominRI]

Catholics believe in evolution. Are we not Christian? (no Devo jokes please).

I can't explain again. I could give a monkey's behind what they teach about religion in a history class. But you are speaking of science class. Science is fact. Intelligent Design is not.

I know I'm not alone in this thought.....

I have yet to see anyone,including you,state that religion should never be spoken about in school..I see a lot of assumptions being made though..
I've never heard of any movemtn to pull religion out of History/Social studies class. Edited to add.The Catholic stanc eon Evolution is pretty much what the major movements of Judaism teach,although Orthodoxy will give some arguement(Although my Modern O friend doesn't)

 

[Laura]

Of course, we're still evolving. I don't think anyone denies that. You can't prove however that man stemmed from nothing simply because he could. IMO, the theory of evolution (not our evolving process) is absurd and there is nothing of proof to say it's how we came to be. When the scientific community can do that (I'm not holding my breath), we can drop the whole God/Religion bit. Till then however, who is anyone to say one is more correct than the other even if you don't consider it science.

Okay, I'm confused. Do you mean to say that unless science can prove that God (a supernatural being) didn't create us, that you won't agree that evolution is a fact? Could you explain, because science can't prove or disprove the existence of God.

Like it or not, evolution is a fact. It exists.

 

[N.Bailey]

I'm not quite sure where you get the idea Christinaity can't be taught about in school? It sure is up here in the Democratic,Liberally leaned state of RI.. My kids will also be singing Christmas Carols at the Christmas concert

In our district, my kids were allowed to sing Christmas carols that contained God in them, but there were a lot of schools not even allowing that. I'm from a pretty small town that is pretty religious. I think MANY parents would have had a fit if these types of songs would be banned here. Our elementary school teacher was very much a Christian teacher. As a side note, he won teacher of the year about 3 years ago and Walt Disney gave our district a million dollars to spend anyway they school saw fit. I know that's off topic, but it's a Disney board and all.

All I can say to you is, Christianity has not been taught in the public schools to this point in time. My kids are both in 8th grade, so perhaps high school it may be? To date though, it's not been the case. My son has a learning disability, so I have to cover every bit of material that comes home. It's just how he "gets it."

I seen earlier that you mentioned that your kids did study various religions, but I also know you home school (or did) and I just assumed it was part of that lesson packet.

 

[JennyMominRI]

In our district, my kids were allowed to sing Christmas carols that contained God in them, but there were a lot of schools not even allowing that. I'm from a pretty small town that is pretty religious. I think MANY parents would have had a fit if these types of songs would be banned here. Our elementary school teacher was very much a Christian teacher. As a side note, he won teacher of the year about 3 years ago and Walt Disney gave our district a million dollars to spend anyway they school saw fit. I know that's off topic, but it's a Disney board and all.

All I can say to you is, Christianity has not been taught in the public schools to this point in time. My kids are both in 8th grade, so perhaps high school it may be? To date though, it's not been the case. My son has a learning disability, so I have to cover every bit of material that comes home. It's just how he "gets it."

I seen earlier that you mentioned that your kids did study various religions, but I also know you home school (or did) and I just assumed it was part of that lesson packet.

2 of my kids went back to Public School last year and the other 2 this year..My descriptions are of the Warwick RI Public School District.Believe me this a is a Democratic State

 

[N.Bailey]

Catholics believe in evolution. Are we not Christian? (no Devo jokes please).

I can't explain again. I could give a monkey's behind what they teach about religion in a history class. But you are speaking of science class. Science is fact. Intelligent Design is not.

I know I'm not alone in this thought.....

Well, I'm not alone in my thoughts either.

I didn't mean that I think you should have to pay to send your children to a secular school either. I was just trying to toss it back into your face a little because it gets a little tiring hearing that all the time.

and.....All Catholics don't believe in the theory of evolution. That was really a misstatement of facts on your part.

 

[gigglesnort]

Well, I'm not alone in my thoughts either.

I didn't mean that I think you should have to pay to send your children to a secular school either. I was just trying to toss it back into your face a little because it gets a little tiring hearing that all the time.

and.....All Catholics don't believe in the theory of evolution. That was really a misstatement of facts on your part.

And all Christians don't dismiss evolution. The Catholic Church's stance on evolution is what I believe.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Well, I'm not alone in my thoughts either.

I didn't mean that I think you should have to pay to send your children to a secular school either. I was just trying to toss it back into your face a little because it gets a little tiring hearing that all the time.

and.....All Catholics don't believe in the theory of evolution. That was really a misstatement of facts on your part.

They may not,but it is the official position of the Catholic Church

 

[gigglesnort]

They may not,but it is the official position of the Catholic Church

Once again, you explained it better than I!!

 

[JennyMominRI]

Once again, you explained it better than I!!

That's because I'm highly evolved!

 

[N.Bailey]

Okay, I'm confused. Do you mean to say that unless science can prove that God (a supernatural being) didn't create us, that you won't agree that evolution is a fact? Could you explain, because science can't prove or disprove the existence of God.

Like it or not, evolution is a fact. It exists.

No, that's not what I meant.

Evolution in one sense does exist, but there is nothing factual that we evolved from nothing. It's called the theory for a reason. It's not factual, even though you keep trying to pass the theory off as fact.

I never said prove God doesn't exist and then we can believe in evolution. I said, let the scientific community PROVE their own THEORY, then we can put God and Religion to rest. Until then, IMO, the theory of evolution is a bunch of bunk!

Every generation does evolve though. Each generation gets brighter and brighter. Medicine advances each year, technology does too. Just about every aspect of our lives makes advances down the generations.

Animals adapt, all which is a part of an evolution process.

Yes, evolution exists, but the "theory of evolution" is not fact!

 

[N.Bailey]

2 of my kids went back to Public School last year and the other 2 this year..My descriptions are of the Warwick RI Public School District.Believe me this a is a Democratic State

I'm in PA. It too, is quite blue.

Maybe they'll cover it in high school?

 

[JennyMominRI]

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Yes, evolution exists, but the "theory of evolution" is not fact!

Well,That would be why they call it a Theory and not Fact... Gravity is also called a Theory....Evolution is based on a set of facts that have gone through countless,varied and repeated tests... That is how it became a scientific Theory..One cannot perform said tests on creationis,therefore Creationism is not scientific fact.
I have a belief that the moon is made out of marshmellows..Until I post a hypothesis,c onduct expiriments,formulate a theory based on those tests and findings it's not a scientific theory

 

[Laura]

No, that's not what I meant.

Evolution in one sense does exist, but there is nothing factual that we evolved from nothing. It's called the theory for a reason. It's not factual, even though you keep trying to pass the theory off as fact.

I never said prove God doesn't exist and then we can believe in evolution. I said, let the scientific community PROVE their own THEORY, then we can put God and Religion to rest. Until then, IMO, the theory of evolution is a bunch of bunk!

Every generation does evolve though. Each generation gets brighter and brighter. Medicine advances each year, technology does too. Just about every aspect of our lives makes advances down the generations.

Animals adapt, all which is a part of an evolution process.

Yes, evolution exists, but the "theory of evolution" is not fact!

Okay, you've explained, but I still don't understand how you can say evolution exists but the theory is bunk? Do you understand the concept of the scientific theory as opposed to theory in the everyday sense of the word? Scientific theories aren't "bunk", and I'm not sure what proof you would need for you to go along with the theory of evolution. What about it is "bunk"?

What I mean is, I think one can disagree with some finer points of the process of evolution, but if one thinks evolution exists, I don't know how one can dismiss the theory entirely.

 

[Planogirl]

Did anyone notice this in the article?

In addition, the board rewrote the definition of science, so that it is no longer limited to the search for natural explanations of phenomena.

Now THAT is amazing. Just rewrite the definitions until they fit your own agenda.

As for the theory of evolution not being a FACT, there are many theories in science. The scientific method deals with these theories.

Creationism isn't even a theory, it's strictly a belief. It belongs in Sociology where people's beliefs are discussed not in science.

Geesh, I hope that our wacko legislature in Texas doesn't get wind of this.

 

[Laura]

In common usage a theory is often viewed as little more than a guess or a hypothesis. But in science and generally in academic usage, a theory is much more than that. A theory is an established paradigm that explains all or much of the data we have and offers valid predictions that can be tested. In science, a theory can never be proven true, because we can never assume we know all there is to know. Instead, theories remain standing until they are disproven, at which point they are thrown out altogether or modified to fit the additional data.

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Theory

The link references the geocentric universe theory. It was the idea that everything revolved around the Earth. This theory, of course, came about because of the observations of the sun, moon and stars in the sky. Even though we now know the theory to be untrue, it doesn't mean that the stars don't move across the sky at night or that the sun does not rise and set every day.

 

[N.Bailey]

Okay, you've explained, but I still don't understand how you can say evolution exists but the theory is bunk? Do you understand the concept of the scientific theory as opposed to theory in the everyday sense of the word? Scientific theories aren't "bunk", and I'm not sure what proof you would need for you to go along with the theory of evolution. What about it is "bunk"?

What I mean is, I think one can disagree with some finer points of the process of evolution, but if one thinks evolution exists, I don't know how one can dismiss the theory entirely.

Let's just suffice it to say that I believe we change. We get smarter. Not so much because those that came before us were less intelligent, but because we've had many generation's work to fall back on. It doesn't mean WE are personally more able than those that came before us. We've just had the benefit of MANY years of wisdom handed down to us. Thus, we're able to have more advanced medicines, technology, sciences, math's, astronomy etc... We however are every bit the same as man was even 1000 years ago. They just didn't have the luxury of the knowledge that we have. Man himself however has not evolved much at all.

Animals adapt. It's not by choice that they adapt. When a predator moves into their territory, they learn how to protect themselves, or they die. Sometimes they have to vie for food. If they're unable to change, they die. It's as simple as that.

These are examples of what I believe evolution consists of.

My son's movie just ended, so on that note, I must say this has been an enjoyable thread. Have a good night all.

 

[gigglesnort]

I think man has evolved alot. Cavemen? (not the scientific name, I know).