just curious dont want this to get out of control bathroom use

[monsterkitty]

True airport bathroom story from Friday:

Our dogs are therapy dogs at the airport and we did a shift on Friday. About half way through our shift, I had to use the bathroom. I had to take my dog in with me.

Unfortunately, we were in the older bathrooms at the airport that have the gaps. The person in the stall next to me dropped French fries on the stall floor, some made their way to my stall.

Remember I have my dog with me.

Dog ate the fries that fell in my stall and then tried to climb under for the rest of the fries. My dog is a Golden Retriever and not small.

Oh, and he's a boy. So, I had a male dog in the women's bathroom with me and he halfway crawled into the stall with the lady next to me.

Yes, she did ask if he was male or female.

My question - who eats fries in the bathroom stalls in an airport??

 

[monsterkitty]

If those "men" you are talking about are trans female, it's probably already happened. What do you expect to occur?

It's already happened to you, and you just didn't notice!

How can you tell? Are you checking everyone out before you pee?

How about "not naked"? It's just clothing, and people can wear whatever they want "as long as the necessary parts are covered" to quote my high school principal. No body shaming, no blaming what someone is wearing on someone else's behavior. I feel like some people are so insecure about their own sexuality, their own lives even, that they can't handle how other people dress, or identify, or live. But that is their problem - and if someone cant handle a transgendered person using a public bathroom, then that person should pee at home, IMO. I know many transgender students, and they have enough of a burden - where they pee should be the least of their issues.

You are 100% spot on with this post.

Every one of us has used a restroom with someone who is trans and we had no clue.

When I was about 12 or 13, we were at a ski resort. When I walked into the women's restroom, one lady stopped me and said, "This is the women's restroom." I was like, umm okay and I know that's why I'm in here. She threw an absolute fit and screamed at me. I had no idea what she was talking about so I proceeded to the stall. I was a swimmer and had short hair that was covered by my ski hat. I was obviously wearing a ski parka. Even if I wasn't wearing that parka, she still wouldn't have believed I was a female because puberty hadn't hit me yet. The lady screamed at me the entire time I was in the stall. I sat and cried because I was terrified.

How many children or even women have had to go through what I went through? How many boys with long hair have suffered? All because we are now incredibly worried who is in the stall next to us.

Like DisneyOma, I had many trans students over my 32 years of teaching. She's correct that they have enough of a burden and where the pee should not be one of them.

 

[tinkerbellandpeterpan]

Shouldn't you be looking UP? LoL

Haha.....you make a fair point! I'm just really not looking. Trying to get in and get out.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Trans ppl are not a new thing tho. They have always been part of the human population. It is simply that now days it is (or was) safer for them to be themselves.

This confused me. It was only recently that people can physically transition via surgery.
Are you just referring to cross dressing or identifying as other gender?

 

[tinkerbellandpeterpan]

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[tinkerbellandpeterpan]

Trying to delete this

 

[leahgoogle]

If those "men" you are talking about are trans female, it's probably already happened. What do you expect to occur?

It's already happened to you, and you just didn't notice!

How can you tell? Are you checking everyone out before you pee?

How about "not naked"? It's just clothing, and people can wear whatever they want "as long as the necessary parts are covered" to quote my high school principal. No body shaming, no blaming what someone is wearing on someone else's behavior. I feel like some people are so insecure about their own sexuality, their own lives even, that they can't handle how other people dress, or identify, or live. But that is their problem - and if someone cant handle a transgendered person using a public bathroom, then that person should pee at home, IMO. I know many transgender students, and they have enough of a burden - where they pee should be the least of their issues.

I have stated in my prior replies that I am referring to biological males. If a trans-female has used the bathroom with me in the past, so be it. I still don't want unisex public bathrooms with stalls where multiple biological men are using the bathroom with me at any given moment.

 

[DisneyOma]

I have stated in my prior replies that I am referring to biological males. If a trans-female has used the bathroom with me in the past, so be it. I still don't want unisex public bathrooms with stalls where multiple biological men are using the bathroom with me at any given moment.

A trans female is a biological male.

 

[Chirple]

For posters trying to find a replacement for transvestite, a question posed to Google delivered this as the top item.

 

[leahgoogle]

A trans female is a biological male.

I'm aware.

 

[Living42Day]

How about "not naked"? It's just clothing, and people can wear whatever they want "as long as the necessary parts are covered" to quote my high school principal. No body shaming, no blaming what someone is wearing on someone else's behavior. I feel like some people are so insecure about their own sexuality, their own lives even, that they can't handle how other people dress, or identify, or live. But that is their problem - and if someone cant handle a transgendered person using a public bathroom, then that person should pee at home, IMO. I know many transgender students, and they have enough of a burden - where they pee should be the least of their issues.

So you would rather leave out a key piece of information when designating bias-motivated crimes? An assault occurs, there is a possible difference in motivation for a victim who is a male dressed in loafers/jeans/flannel and an AMAB wearing stilettos and a miniskirt. If we just said the victim was dressed "not naked", there would be a delay in investigation for the bias-motivated factors which is a huge disservice to the victim. I think victims would rather their crimes be investigated fully...

The unfortunate reality is that people target others due to their sexuality, gender identity, religion, political party, etc., etc. Accurately describing the situation is the only way we can fully investigate these events.

 

[Living42Day]

Is it OK to appropriate race or ethnicity, yet, or is that still taboo? I think trans is a similar situation.

There was a guy recently getting plastic surgery to have Korean features.

Alec Baldwin’s wife claimed to be from Spain and spoke in an accent but she’s from the Northeast in the States.

Rachel Dolezal. That was only 10 years ago.

Those weren’t well-received but continuing in this current direction of accepting things outside the norm, maybe in a couple years it’ll be fine.

So if you have no problems with people claiming to be the opposite gender, you support transracial people?

I’m not saying I’m for or against any of it, but those thoughts seem logical.

I've thought about this as well.

Rachel Dolezal may have been ahead of her time. If she identifies as a Black female then why would that be wrong, especially given the current climate of everything being on a spectrum (gender, sexuality, etc)? Just because she is born Caucasian does not mean that is how she chooses to identify or live her life. I wonder how it would have been received now?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I've thought about this as well.

Rachel Dolezal may have been ahead of her time. If she identifies as a Black female then why would that be wrong, especially given the current climate of everything being on a spectrum (gender, sexuality, etc)? Just because she is born Caucasian does not mean that is how she chooses to identify or live her life. I wonder how it would have been received now?

Nope, nope, nopety, nope

 

[leahgoogle]

I've thought about this as well.

Rachel Dolezal may have been ahead of her time. If she identifies as a Black female then why would that be wrong, especially given the current climate of everything being on a spectrum (gender, sexuality, etc)? Just because she is born Caucasian does not mean that is how she chooses to identify or live her life. I wonder how it would have been received now?

Nope. You can chose to live your life anyway you want or identify as anything you want, but that does not automatically make it true.

 

[Living42Day]

Nope. You can chose to live your life anyway you want or identify as anything you want, but that does not automatically make it true.

Agreed. There was a bit of sarcasm in there, it just didn't get conveyed in my post well!

 

[leahgoogle]

Agreed. There was a bit of sarcasm in there, it just didn't get conveyed in my post well!

Oh, lol. I totally didn't get that!!! Sorry

 

[starlite_]

This confused me. It was only recently that people can physically transition via surgery.
Are you just referring to cross dressing or identifying as other gender?

While it's true that only recent technologies have allowed trans folks to do a full physical transition. This does not mean that trans ppl are a new thing. Just like other lgbt+ ppl are not new to the modern era. They have always existed. Or do you believe human kind simply evolved in the recent century?

Also, being trans does not require any type of surgery.

Transition can mean social transition for example. No surgery required. Which is what trans ppl did if they had the possibility to do so.

To give an old timey example: Indigenous cultures have long since acknowledged trans ppl in their communities, they called them two-spirit.

I can also invite you to look in the web for old timey pictures of trans ppl and other lgbt+ folks.

I'll give you some examples:

1919. 1870. The America Civil War.

 

[MillauFr]

True airport bathroom story from Friday:

Our dogs are therapy dogs at the airport and we did a shift on Friday. About half way through our shift, I had to use the bathroom. I had to take my dog in with me.

Unfortunately, we were in the older bathrooms at the airport that have the gaps. The person in the stall next to me dropped French fries on the stall floor, some made their way to my stall.

Remember I have my dog with me.

Dog ate the fries that fell in my stall and then tried to climb under for the rest of the fries. My dog is a Golden Retriever and not small.

Oh, and he's a boy. So, I had a male dog in the women's bathroom with me and he halfway crawled into the stall with the lady next to me.

Yes, she did ask if he was male or female.

My question - who eats fries in the bathroom stalls in an airport??

I would have responded to a dumb question with a dumb answer. I would tell the woman I'm not sure and ask her if she wanted to inspect the dog to verify.

 

[ramee]

I've thought about this as well.

Rachel Dolezal may have been ahead of her time. If she identifies as a Black female then why would that be wrong, especially given the current climate of everything being on a spectrum (gender, sexuality, etc)? Just because she is born Caucasian does not mean that is how she chooses to identify or live her life. I wonder how it would have been received now?

No one wants to acknowledge this. The idea just keeps getting shut down with no explanation as to why this logic works for one, but not the other. Is it so hard to believe that even in 10 years, we could identify as anything and expect acceptance?

 

[starlite_]

No one wants to acknowledge this. The idea just keeps getting shut down with no explanation as to why this logic works for one, but not the other. Is it so hard to believe that even in 10 years, we could identify as anything and expect acceptance?

There is nothing to acknowledge.