June Direct Sales

[SkampyOne]

I have it 4 to 5 years if you take the 3 month average of 41k vs the 61k for 12 month, given the 2.9 million to still sell.

So I’d say that’s about right!

Given that, are we thinking this could be the fall incentive? Seemed to work for VGF...

 

[WxKristin]

I just can't mentally get over having to pay $$ at VDH when staying due to the additional transient tax. It's not a small amount either; 5 nights in 1 or 2bd is ~$500-$1000 dollars. I don't think this has been hidden, but I guess I'm surprised so many people are completely chill about it.

 

[MartyParty]

I just can't mentally get over having to pay $$ at VDH when staying due to the additional transient tax. It's not a small amount either; 5 nights in 1 or 2bd is ~$500-$1000 dollars. I don't think this has been hidden, but I guess I'm surprised so many people are completely chill about it!

Instead of "chill" replacing the word with Marvels Thanos's phrase "I am inevitable".

Inevitable: unavoidable or inescapable

If you want to visit Anaheim / Disneyland (or Hawaii / Aulani) all who pass will pay a transient tax. Or at least that's my understanding.

From the City of Anaheim webpage:

Transient Occupancy Tax​

For the privilege of occupancy in the City of Anaheim, each transient is subject to and shall pay a transient occupancy tax of 15% of the rent charged by the operator. The 15% tax MUST be separately stated from rent pursuant to Chapter 2.12 Subsection 2.12.020.010 of the Anaheim Municipal Code.

****************************************************

VGC owners always pay their transient taxes via dues (albeit at a reduced rate) regardless if they stay at VGC that year. For comparison I've stayed at VGC twice using WDW DVC points and thus avoided any transient tax. Just how it is. Won't be the case when staying at VDH or any Anaheim hotel.

 

[MartyParty]

And for giggles (been putting this off), I checked a random M-F stay in August at DL Hotel or Grand Cali with standard view rooms. Not DVC with possible bigger rooms, kitchen's, bedrooms, etc. Just a standard room.

DL Hotel little over $300 in tax for a 4 night stay
Grand Cali little over $400 in tax for the same 4 night stay

Where it gets a little interesting is the very nice Westin is a bit less approaching $200 tax for the same duration.

 

[Sandisw]

Given that, are we thinking this could be the fall incentive? Seemed to work for VGF...

Pretty much it already applies to RIV…the only difference is the initial dollar off…but VGF can be gotten down around $161 and RIV is around $168…pretty close.

i do not think you will see incentives at RIV better than VGF because it does well as a cash resort and being VGF is an MK area resort, having RIV as an option against Poly tower and CFW next year makes better sense.

 

[Jimmy Geppetto]

Are these results accurate for VGC? I purchased a small contract direct in June and this article quotes 0 points sold.

 

[Sandisw]

Are these results accurate for VGC? I purchased a small contract direct in June and this article quotes 0 points sold.

AFAIK, They don’t monitor the VGC sales, like they don’t for AUL…but, did your contract close yet?

If not, that would be why as that data is pulled from recorded deeds.

 

[DanCali]

Are these results accurate for VGC? I purchased a small contract direct in June and this article quotes 0 points sold.

The last paragraph in the article states that:

The sales data includes all 11 DVC resorts at Walt Disney World, as well as Disney's Vero Beach Resort, and Disney's Hilton Head Island Resort. Point sales data is not available for the Villas at Disney's Grand Californian Hotel. The data is compiled from deeds filed by Disney Vacation Development and recorded with the Orange County (FL) Comptroller, the Indian River County (FL) Clerk of Court, and the Beaufort County (SC) Register of Deeds.

If you look at the Orange County, FL (WDW) Comptroller website (https://selfservice.or.occompt.com/ssweb/search/DOCSEARCH2950S1) you will see it's very easy to search for deeds and download data to Excel or more sophisticated tools to analyze. It's probably the same for Indian River County, FL (VB) and Beaufort County, SC (HHI). I suspect that Orange County CA (DL) or the Hawaii Bureau of Conveyances (Aulani) make it harder/costlier to do these searches - you probably need to pay to download each recorded deed in a format that would be useful for this analysis.

 

[maui22]

Are these results accurate for VGC? I purchased a small contract direct in June and this article quotes 0 points sold.

In addition to @Sandisw comment, there are additional factors that can happen. DVD/DVC could take longer to send the paperwork to the county, county could take longer than expected to process the paperwork, sometimes the counties enter a typo (Disnee instead of Disney or something to that effect which results in a search for Disney no longer finding the record).

There have been instances where deeds did not show up on occompt (Florida's Orange County Comptroller) web site for several months after the dates of the signatures on the contracts.

It's rare, but it does happen.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I suspect that Orange County CA (DL) or the Hawaii Bureau of Conveyances (Aulani) make it harder/costlier to do these searches - you probably need to pay to download each recorded deed in a format that would be useful for this analysis.

The Bureau of Conveyances site is pretty easy and free to use, but they can take their time scanning in documents, and they're pretty good at screwing up names in their database. As an example, one of my deeds has "W. MacGregor" listed as the grantee, and doesn't even list my first name even though the recorded deed is correct (W is my middle initial).

 

[DanCali]

The Bureau of Conveyances site is pretty easy and free to use, but they can take their time scanning in documents, and they're pretty good at screwing up names in their database. As an example, one of my deeds has "W. MacGregor" listed as the grantee, and doesn't even list my first name even though the recorded deed is correct (W is my middle initial).

Yes, it's easy to use but the free "preview" versions of the documents you pull up are pretty low resolution and may be hard to decipher is using an automated reader. You have to pay $1 per page to get a much more legible file.

The "preview" documents also open up in some pop-up pdf reader (as opposed to a new browser tab) and that may also make things harder for an automated process.

By the way, they also messed up our document indexing. In our case they have all buyers and sellers listed as both grantors and grantees... It's possible the title company filed it incorrectly via the electronic filing, but they say they looked it up and did everything properly (I tend to believe that more after your story). The document itself is fine though, which is the most important thing. It's just the indexing on the website that shows it that way.