June Direct Sales

[Nursemanit]

I get what you’re saying but we already own at BW. It’s hard to beat because no matter what happens, it’s just over a 10 minute walk to/from EP and HS. I tried to explain to DH how Riviera is a strong contender since the rooms are somewhat nicer than BW/BC and the skyliner is very convenient (along with the ease of getting around the resort). Not enough to persuade him though. He loves being able to bop back to our room without relying on transportation. Even beyond that, we both love the sharability of MK and EP Resort clusters.

I also own at BW and use it in Aug since that is the worst time for Skyliner - MK is for me, a half-day park and for most trips I don't even go to MK . My fear with GF is that past 2042 without owning RIV I would be left with overpriced PV rooms.
With a car or by bus - Riv is closer to DS and somewhat closer to AK but the difference is small enough not to matter.

 

[Genie+]

I also own at BW and use it in Aug since that is the worst time for Skyliner - MK is for me, a half-day park and for most trips I don't even go to MK . My fear with GF is that past 2042 without owning RIV I would be left with overpriced PV rooms.
With a car or by bus - Riv is closer to DS and somewhat closer to AK but the difference is small enough not to matter.

My hope is after 2042 our GF points have some options to trade into the area. RIV is a possibility. Maybe a new DVC resort pops up near the front of EP. Yacht Club may get DVC. Back up plan for ‘42 is buy more points

 

[BeachClub2014]

It is also possible that the Guides are offering VGF first. They might do that if they've been given (direct or indirect) instructions to do so. Direct instruction is obvious: "Sell VGF." Indirect is perhaps even more powerful, by offering a higher commission structure on VGF sales or establishing different quotas for the two.

The difference in pricing might also serve as this incentive, of course. If it is easier to close a VGF sale, then guides will try to close them more often. The Guide's only job is to get them to sign on the line which is dotted. (I love that whole scene.)

I bet that you are on to something here. It would make a lot of sense to really incentivize and push sales at VGF to get it sold out as quickly as possible, especially with Poly2 sales coming online relatively soon.

 

[DonMacGregor]

The difference in pricing might also serve as this incentive, of course. If it is easier to close a VGF sale, then guides will try to close them more often. The Guide's only job is to get them to sign on the line which is dotted. (I love that whole scene.)

No one wants a set of steak knives...

 

[Brian Noble]

"Third prize is you're fired."

Relatedly, I've had this conversation with a few timeshare sales agents over the years. It's not a low-pressure gig.

 

[DonMacGregor]

"Third prize is you're fired."

Relatedly, I've had this conversation with a few timeshare sales agents over the years. It's not a low-pressure gig.

Mitch and Murray are relentless taskmasters.

 

[tjkraz]

Grand Floridian is fully declared into the condo association. Every DVC villa is available to book on points, with Disney only recouping rooms at the 60 day breakage mark. And even then, booking cash guests in those unused villas takes a back seat to the ~700 cash rooms Disney has to fill.

Riviera is small in comparison to other resorts, maximum 489 rooms with the lockoffs counted separately. 1/3 of that is undeclared, giving Disney a modest 160 rooms to sell to cash guests. And based upon what I see online, there are many cash guests who are actually *excited* about booking stays at Riviera. (The horror!)

Both of these factors give Disney a financial incentive to sell more Grand Floridian points than Riviera points. Plus the neighboring Poly tower which will begin selling next year. Thus DVC has better incentives on GF and ASAs tend to push the resort in favor of others.

 

[MartyParty]

https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program-men...e-2023?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Thanking for sharing Sandisw. Numbers person here. So for June...

VDH	162k points sold	$36 mln ish in sales
11 DVC Resorts at WDW	134k points sold	$25 mln ish in sales

Sounds like DVD is healthy and performing well. Really speaks to offering products and locations that people desire. Almost and I use the word lightly like we are in a golden age again with a California and Grand Floridian properties for sale. Not to mention Riviera anchoring down the EPCOT and Hollywood Studios area. Bit of a feast for perspective new buyers and folks adding on.

I wasn't in the market back in the 2010's but wonder if this has a similar feel when Bay Lake Tower and Grand Californian were available?

Good times now but once these resorts sale out it will be interesting to see what new choices DVD has to offer. Of course there will be direct and resale but I suspect today's price points in 5-10 years time will be desirable.

David

 

[maui22]

Another reason to sell VGF as soon as possible...two new new MK area resorts (FW Cabins and Poly Tower) expected to begin sales.

 

[Genie+]

Thanking for sharing Sandisw. Numbers person here. So for June...

VDH	162k points sold	$36 mln ish in sales
11 DVC Resorts at WDW	134k points sold	$25 mln ish in sales

Sounds like DVD is healthy and performing well. Really speaks to offering products and locations that people desire. Almost and I use the word lightly like we are in a golden age again with a California and Grand Floridian properties for sale. Not to mention Riviera anchoring down the EPCOT and Hollywood Studios area. Bit of a feast for perspective new buyers and folks adding on.

I wasn't in the market back in the 2010's but wonder if this has a similar feel when Bay Lake Tower and Grand Californian were available?

Good times now but once these resorts sale out it will be interesting to see what new choices DVD has to offer. Of course there will be direct and resale but I suspect today's price points in 5-10 years time will be desirable.

David

Wonder if we’ll see more DL resorts over the next decade. Maybe some WDW resorts that have direct access to a park, like a DVC tower north of VGF with an entrance right in to MK. Or something similar at the front of EP. That would tempt us to buy more points.

 

[DonMacGregor]

Wonder if we’ll see more DL resorts over the next decade. Maybe some WDW resorts that have direct access to a park, like a DVC tower north of VGF with an entrance right in to MK. Or something similar at the front of EP. That would tempt us to buy more points.

I think Disney/DVC is committed to building towers now, and has moved away from low-rise designs for their hotels. BLT, Aulani, Riviera, Gran Destino Tower, VDH, the new Poly tower, even the "delayed" Reflections resort had a tower that was 10-11 stories in height. etc. suggest that they like the small-footprint, high-density model. That really doesn't lend itself well to constructing right next to the parks, sightline-wise. Even going back to GCH, the buildings close enough to DCA and DTD are only 5 stories tall, and are both set back far enough and themed well enough to be concealed for the most part from the park.

 

[Genie+]

I think Disney/DVC is committed to building towers now, and has moved away from low-rise designs for their hotels. BLT, Aulani, Riviera, Gran Destino Tower, VDH, the new Poly tower, even the "delayed" Reflections resort had a tower that was 10-11 stories in height. etc. suggest that they like the small-footprint, high-density model. That really doesn't lend itself well to constructing right next to the parks, sightline-wise. Even going back to GCH, the buildings close enough to DCA and DTD are only 5 stories tall, and are both set back far enough and themed well enough to be concealed for the most part from the park.

Could they go 7 stories without too much disruption in sightlines? BW and BC are 5 - maybe that’s the max.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

I think Disney/DVC is committed to building towers now, and has moved away from low-rise designs for their hotels. BLT, Aulani, Riviera, Gran Destino Tower, VDH, the new Poly tower, even the "delayed" Reflections resort had a tower that was 10-11 stories in height. etc. suggest that they like the small-footprint, high-density model. That really doesn't lend itself well to constructing right next to the parks, sightline-wise. Even going back to GCH, the buildings close enough to DCA and DTD are only 5 stories tall, and are both set back far enough and themed well enough to be concealed for the most part from the park.

30 years ago it was more efficient long term to build buildings it’s easy to reach the top floor of with standard construction (and maintenance!) equipment, like SSR and OKW. I think today it’s more of a wash, and guests clearly prefer the stand alone building model.

 

[DVCsloth]

Don't think you can go wrong having 1 MK and 1 Epcot/HS resort. We own both and it's a coin toss between Riviera and VGF1 to me. I am interested in the New Polynesian, but only if it's a new association. Also, really like the look of VDH but probably won't visit DL enough to add on there. "Florida Resident"

 

[Cfabar1]

I get what you’re saying but we already own at BW. It’s hard to beat because no matter what happens, it’s just over a 10 minute walk to/from EP and HS. I tried to explain to DH how Riviera is a strong contender since the rooms are somewhat nicer than BW/BC and the skyliner is very convenient (along with the ease of getting around the resort). Not enough to persuade him though. He loves being able to bop back to our room without relying on transportation. Even beyond that, we both love the sharability of MK and EP Resort clusters.

exactly how our family feels. we tend to take shorter, more frequent visits. The magic for us includes parking the car and not losing time going to or from the park. One exception might be staying at AK for AK visits.

 

[Aussie RJ]

We just added an additional 150 at VGF. I actually felt the two guides I met with tried to steer us towards a purchase at VDH and to a lesser extent AUL. We almost had to push for VGF. Not sure of the rhyme or reason but DW agrees with my feeling.

 

[nlenguyen]

These numbers are really good for both top resorts. I think we saw VGF sales solid for a few months after initial sales, then it slowly tapered off. I think VDH could have a big bump once the rooms are open and we can see what they look like inside

 

[BrianLo]

I agree there is a lot of motivation to move VGF over RIV. They were a bit too trigger happy and over declared it. It causes too much guest confusion to have two monorail resorts for overlapping sale. Choice is good, but not too much choice.

Even if it overlaps a little bit with Poly2, the nearly sold out status will get it moving quickly at the end.

I actually think once VGF goes and Poly2 has its initial sales blitz, the incentives swing back to pushing RIV. I assume they'd be looking at an MK alternative area for their 15th (or 16th) resort and would want RIV out of the way for that.

Though the argument that RIV is a stand alone resort and commands good cash prices remains. Disney may just treat it more like Aulani.

 

[NVDISFamily]

Good times now but once these resorts sale out it will be interesting to see what new choices DVD has to offer.

Villas at Pixar Place Hotel?

Seems like there is reasonable desire to get some DVC at Coronado Springs in the community.

Anything at Yacht Club would be like printing money.

Seems like Art of Animation would be a popular spot if they are sticking with the entry into moderate play.

Lots of fun ideas/options. I'll also be saving my pennies for 2042. I'll be just hitting my 60s by that time and if health and family are doing well I would have to be tempted by BCV2 and BRV2.

Really glad to see VDH doing well

 

[ATLien711]

We just added an additional 150 at VGF. I actually felt the two guides I met with tried to steer us towards a purchase at VDH and to a lesser extent AUL. We almost had to push for VGF. Not sure of the rhyme or reason but DW agrees with my feeling.

We just had a very similar experience. Not pushy like a traditional sales pitch, but I thought they would lean into VGF right off the bat.