Josie Brooklyn Duggar

[JUJU814]

I choose to submit to my husband, because of my faith in God, and my desire for a happy, biblical marriage. I am certainly not subjugated. My husband loves me enough that not only would he die for me, he lays down his life for me in countless ways every day. He loves me, cherishes me, values me, respects me, and encourages me. Surprisingly enough, I even have a college degree and marketable skills I'm an RN with a bachelor's degree-(not unlike Anna Duggar who graduated Bible college- but I guess to some, that wouldn't count as a "real" education.)

My "opinion" is that because of your anger regarding your own life experience, you are transferring your own emotions onto a family you don't even know. Quite frankly, it's really not healthy.

Point of fact, the boys do help in the running of the home. Point of fact, the girls are encouraged to be independent, and valued for who they are. Are they raised to respect authority, love God, put others first, and preserve modesty? You betcha. And so are my children. I certainly don't think these values are "abusive" in any way. There is no way that these children, who have been all over the country, and exposed to plenty of outside experiences and individuals, are unable to make a choice as to how they would like to live after they grow up. We all raise our children with our own values, whatever they are, and when they grow up, they decide for themselves.

I completely agree with this. Her total animocity is apparantly a result of being in the most unfortunate situation that she was in. What princessmom29 describes of her experience in the church is very sad and is NOT at ALL reflective of TRUE Christianity.

Princessmom29, I'm sorry you had to go through what you did. Please know that NOT all churches are like that. It is not all about control. True christian marriages and this whole "biblical submission" stuff has nothing to do with anyone being treated second class.

 

[princessmom29]

I choose to submit to my husband, because of my faith in God, and my desire for a happy, biblical marriage. I am certainly not subjugated. My husband loves me enough that not only would he die for me, he lays down his life for me in countless ways every day. He loves me, cherishes me, values me, respects me, and encourages me. Surprisingly enough, I even have a college degree and marketable skills I'm an RN with a bachelor's degree-(not unlike Anna Duggar who graduated Bible college- but I guess to some, that wouldn't count as a "real" education.)

My "opinion" is that because of your anger regarding your own life experience, you are transferring your own emotions onto a family you don't even know. Quite frankly, it's really not healthy.

Point of fact, the boys do help in the running of the home. Point of fact, the girls are encouraged to be independent, and valued for who they are. Are they raised to respect authority, love God, put others first, and preserve modesty? You betcha. And so are my children. I certainly don't think these values are "abusive" in any way. There is no way that these children, who have been all over the country, and exposed to plenty of outside experiences and individuals, are unable to make a choice as to how they would like to live after they grow up. We all raise our children with our own values, whatever they are, and when they grow up, they decide for themselves.

If you were a Duggar, or a member of any other family that suscribes to their particular brand of religion, you would have been forced to choose between nursing and being a part of the church. You never would have been allowed to studt enough science to have a chance at getting into nursing school. A correspondence Biblie college degree doesn't qualify you for that. I really don't think you fully understand what it is like to be there. You truly do not have any choices. Doing anything against what you have been taught means total alienation from everything you have ever known. There is a huge difference from the idea of submission that you are presenting here and what they believe. You have a job and an eduaction. Apparently, you have a husband who values those Things. those types of things have no value in the world the Duggars are a part of because they have nothing to do with having babies or taking care of them. I have done the research on what the Duggars say they believe and the homeschool method they use. These are the phlosophies it teaches. I am not projecting them. This is truly the philosophy of the organizations they are a part of. The believe that teaching modern science is wicked. Secular literature is a currupting influence and should be avoided. they believe in physical punishment for all "acts of defiance". They believe that women should never work outside the home. They believe that women should always maintain a "sweet demeanor" and never question the judgment of thier husband on anything. All of this comes from the literature of these organizations.

 

[princessmom29]

I completely agree with this. Her total animocity is apparantly a result of being in the most unfortunate situation that she was in. What princessmom29 describes of her experience in the church is very sad and is NOT at ALL reflective of TRUE Christianity.

Princessmom29, I'm sorry you had to go through what you did. Please know that NOT all churches are like that. It is not all about control. True christian marriages and this whole "biblical submission" stuff has nothing to do with anyone being treated second class.

I am in a good chuch and have been happily married for almost 10 years, but I do not believe it so called biblical submisson. Neither does my husband or my church. We see that passage as a metaphor for Christ's relationship with the church, and in its proper historical prospective. Marriage is a equal partnership as far as we are concerned. How could God want anything less?? I have a wonderful husband and a wonderful marriage. He loves me for what I am and would never impose his will on me. I do the same. This is what I see as a true christian marriage. I am allowed to have my own opinion and it is ok if it is different from his. We talk it out and come to a compromise. I don't simply submit to his will, and it works for us. I can count on one hand the nuber of times we have gotten upset with each other in the almost 15 years we have been together.

 

[princessmom29]

PrincessMom29, did you grow up in the Worldwide Church of Gob, by any chance? Just wondering... I had a similar experience as a child when my parents were members of that church. Now, I am very cautious of any religion.

That said, I hope the baby girl is OK. But, I don't really agree with the number of children they have, simply because the older siblings seem to raise the younger ones. And I also find it ironic that the Duggars don't like watching much TV, but they make tons of $ on it. But, to each their own.

Idependent Baptist movement. they splintered off from the SBC when they were no longer conservative enough for them. There was no formal church to chruch organization or standardization. they were losely associated and varied widely in their philosophies. I was fortunate that I was part of one of the less radical congregations.

 

[QVCshopper]

Idependent Baptist movement. they splintered off from the SBC when they were no longer conservative enough for them. There was no formal church to chruch organization or standardization. they were losely associated and varied widely in their philosophies. I was fortunate that I was part of one of the less radical congregations.

OK; mine broke off the 7th Day Adventists. Crazy childhood... Glad you (and I) got out!

 

[ebtbmom]

I was raised in a Pentecoastal Holiness church, DH in Jehovah's Witnesses.

We are both out now, I have rejected faith and am now a (very happy ) atheist, and while he hasn't rejected his faith he is no longer a member of JW. His family is shunning us because he chooses to live a different lifestyle.

Who else out there was traumatized by their wonderful childhood religion?

 

[KateMW]

I haven't read this whole thread, and I truly hope that the little babe is going to be OK. It's not her fault that her parents are completely irresponsible. It is shocking to me that America and TLC are rewarding this kind of behavior. I understand that it's their "faith", etc. but I consider what they've done close to child abuse. The younger children are raised by their older siblings, the older children are not given a chance to be children and don't even get me started about their education.

 

[KateMW]

I was raised in a Pentecoastal Holiness church, DH in Jehovah's Witnesses.

We are both out now, I have rejected faith and am now a (very happy ) atheist, and while he hasn't rejected his faith he is no longer a member of JW. His family is shunning us because he chooses to live a different lifestyle.

Who else out there was traumatized by their wonderful childhood religion?

No, but I'm kinda traumatized by yours. I'm so afraid of the crazy things that can happen and are taught in churches that we've yet to send our DD to church on any regular basis. I am trying to work back into it, because I do believe that children need a good spiritual base. I just don't want her to run into the people who use religion to spread hate and intolerance.

 

[princessmom29]

I haven't read this whole thread, and I truly hope that the little babe is going to be OK. It's not her fault that her parents are completely irresponsible. It is shocking to me that America and TLC are rewarding this kind of behavior. I understand that it's their "faith", etc. but I consider what they've done close to child abuse. The younger children are raised by their older siblings, the older children are not given a chance to be children and don't even get me started about their education.

Thanks for posting this, because I read it and thought that it is exactly what I am trying to say without all of my "baggage" worked into it. You made all the points I was trying to.

 

[bdiddy]

Thanks for posting this, because I read it and thought that it is exactly what I am trying to say without all of my "baggage" worked into it. You made all the points I was trying to.

I agree too. I've been trying to stay away from this thread but the previous poster also summed up my thoughts well.

I also find it interesting how people (not just on this thread but elsewhere on the internet) tell those of us with opinions to butt out and we don't know them and we shouldn't judge them....yet they seem to ignore the fact that this family made a choice to exploit their family on national television. I would have 100% more respect for them, their faith and their decisions if they didn't sell themselves out. And the fact that they are on 1 hour a week entitles us all to have an opinion on them no matter what anyone thinks. If they didn't want their family discussed they shouldn't have done it. You put yourself out there then you need to be prepared for the consequences.

I am praying for baby Josie and hope that she pulls through ok to join her healthy brothers and sisters. I also hope that Jim Bob and Michelle look at this as a wake up call and maybe try some natural planning. I would hate for them to actually lose a baby or for Michelle to die attempting to have more kids. And I hate to say it but if something happened to Michelle I could see Jim Bob remarrying quickly and continuing to have more kids! Ugh!

 

[KateMW]

And I hate to say it but if something happened to Michelle I could see Jim Bob remarrying quickly and continuing to have more kids! Ugh!

Totally agree with this.

As far as the whole "butt out, you don't know them" thing goes. Neither do you! You only know what you see and hear, as do I. I just choose to feel a different way about it. Bottom line is that they are entertainers, just like actors and sports stars. They make money because the public wants to see them. With that they should be ready to open up their lives and beliefs to whatever comments come their way. Surely they expected that when they signed up and if they didn't, whoever let them do it without fully explaining it should be ashamed of themselves. Now, what I don't agree with is any comments on their children or any children for that matter. It's not their fault or choice to be on TV. Consenting adults and their actions are fair game though.

I just don't get the sudden fascination with people with large families. I don't get rewarding that kind of irresponsible behavior. I can't even watch TLC anymore.

 

[cjackearl]

Sending prayers for tiny Josie's health as well as the rest of the Duggar family. Christmas will be tough not having their baby with them.

 

[happymommy]

I just don't get the sudden fascination with people with large families. I don't get rewarding that kind of irresponsible behavior. I can't even watch TLC anymore.

I have to agree with this! TLC is all about folks who have more than a dozen kids (many do, so really why do I want to see that on tv?) and people who have dwarfism (so they're small, have a harder time with some things that we take for granted, otherwise we're all the same aren't we?).

Oh, and I have to say, I would never ever even for what the Duggars are paid which is tens of thousands a week, which does completely support their family, let my children or any of my family be on TV! And, unlike them, we do occasionally on the weekend, watch tv. But not TLC.

It is exploitation. But self-imposed.

I'm not checking back on this thread - it's too silly. C'mon guys - we all know they are in a cult, but really aren't harming anyone. Many kids get little education, so their kids aren't going to go to college. Big deal. They will get a job and raise more kids. They are clean and don't do drugs. No, they're not rocket scientists. And they are the most narrow minded folks you will ever see on tv. But so are a lot of folks - heck, some of my relatives are!

 

[Hannathy]

TLC has become nothing more than a Carnival sideshow!! It is nothing more than the sideshows that used to travel with the "freaks" in the days of the big traveling carnival. Look at how people looked down their noses at the carnivals as exploiting those poor people and what does TLC do but the same thing, and NOW it is Ok 'cause it is on TV and not in a tent?

I refuse to watch any of those shows, the large families,the "little people", the multiple birth families, the grossly obese, the addicted, the hoarders, the list goes on and on. It is a very poor reflection on our society as a whole that this is what is considered entertainment now. What no bearded lady?

The Duggars are nothing more than hypocrites making money off of what they claim to abhor. If the really were against TV they wouldn't be making their money off of it.

 

[jacksmomma]

It is such a contradiction to me that they feel TV is a currupting infulence, but make their living form a TV show!

I have been saying this forever!!! Why is it not okay for the kids to watch TV, yet they are fine with using it to make money?! I guess they look at it as a way to get their message out to the masses, but it still seems very hypocritical to me.

I also have an issue with the appearances they do. They take their kids into Walmarts (and other places) and have them sign books just like the parents do. This seems like very risky behavior to me. There are so many kids that you cannot possibly watch them all. Being at a public venue anyone can show up, I would be afraid of child molesters showing up to see my kids. I know this is a long shot, but it is a reality for the twisted world we live in.

 

[sweetpeakaris]

I hope the baby is doing well. Has anyone heard an update?

 

[princessmom29]

I hope the baby is doing well. Has anyone heard an update?

No, and that worries me. There have been no updates since the birth. Nothing on the bolgs or websites. I would think that if the news was good we would be hearing more of it. Parayers for this little girl.

 

[MNdisneymom]

FYI, Jim Bob sent an e-mail to abc news on Thursday...

Can't get link to work (doh!) but basically, baby Josie has taken 2 feedings of breast milk and appears to be holding her own for now. Michelle is doing good. The older kids were on a mission trip when the baby was born...and stayed, but have been in phone contact every day.

IMHO...I might not agree with the Duggar family religious/moral/social philosophies, but I hope things turn out okay for baby Josie. Poor little pumpkin.

 

[ireland_nicole]

No, and that worries me. There have been no updates since the birth. Nothing on the bolgs or websites. I would think that if the news was good we would be hearing more of it. Parayers for this little girl.

Having spent a lot of time in NICU, I can assure you, no news is definitely good news.

 

[EveDallas]

Having spent a lot of time in NICU, I can assure you, no news is definitely good news.

As a former NICU mom, I agree 100%