Josie Brooklyn Duggar

[dumbo_buddy]

No offense, but after two preterm labor (but they made it almost and full term) babies of my own, I do understand the demands on the family as a whole of issues such as this.

I hope she is okay. It's going to be a long road for them.

My grandma (maternal) had 12 babies in 15 years. Only 9 survived (one died from an illness at 4 and twins didn't make it home). My mom purposely had only 3. She was raised by her sister, not her mom who was so busy.

Guess what I'm trying to say nicely is - well - you're over 40, have 19 kids, and your body is trying to tell you that it has had enough. Don't try to prove a point.

I got the point when I went into labor again at 6 months with my second (started at 4 months both times, and they were both born over 5 pounds). Second time, I was on bedrest, terbutaline pump, and magnesium, and for 3 months. I wanted more babies, but decided it wasn't worth it to my family.

I know she's a good mom and organizer. Really, you have to be reasonable. I actually looked up to Michelle for her organizational skills, and think she's so calm and cool, but don't think it's wise to do that to your body. You have to strike a balance. I do hope it all works out well for them.

i guess someone could say that you shouldn't have had your second! the point is that she has every right to have as many babies as she wants. they seem to have the means and certainly have the love. lots of people over 40 have babies.

i think this thread was meant to show support. not an "i told you so" kind of thing.

 

[mom2meiko]

i pray for that family and their precious little girl. nothing is more important in life than your babies - whether you have 1 or 100.

and i agree with previous poster - this thread seems to have been created as a means of showing support - not as an opportunity to judge or criticize them while they are in their darkest hour.

 

[princessmom29]

i guess someone could say that you shouldn't have had your second! the point is that she has every right to have as many babies as she wants. they seem to have the means and certainly have the love. lots of people over 40 have babies.

i think this thread was meant to show support. not an "i told you so" kind of thing.

Just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. I think the the PP you were responding to had some valid points. From what I have read she knew she had gall bladder issues and if she had any type of responsible doctor she would have been advised against another pregnancy, at least until after it was removed. She gambled and lost here as an over 40 mom with a massive amount of previous pregnancies, several prior c-sections, a history of pregnancy induced hypertension, and a known gall bladder issue. She knew it was medically very risky and did it anyway. I personally don't think it was a very responsible decision to have another child given those circumstances. I however, do not get to decide for her. I hope the child does well, and the parents take this as the warning that it is and stop. Her uterus is a ticking time bomb of scar tissue and over taxed muscle at this point just waiting to give way any kill not only an unborn child, but her as well. That would leave at least 19 kids without a mom. I feel that taking on that kind of risk is irresponsible. That is just my opinion. I don't get to decide for them, but it is something to think about.

 

[Millermom0606]

I'd like to say that just b/c you have a 'known gallbladder issue' doesn't mean they will take it out, and also doesn't mean that you shouldn't have any more children..... and I'll have had more Csections than she has BTW. Whats right for one, may not be right for all, but until you pay their bills, you don't need to worry your pretty little head.... (no not at ONE person either ) I grew up with a family of I believe they had 17 when they stopped.... and this was way before the Duggars even met! LOL so I guess its not that odd to me.......

 

[princessmom29]

I'd like to say that just b/c you have a 'known gallbladder issue' doesn't mean they will take it out, and also doesn't mean that you shouldn't have any more children..... and I'll have had more Csections than she has BTW. Whats right for one, may not be right for all, but until you pay their bills, you don't need to worry your pretty little head.... (no not at ONE person either ) I grew up with a family of I believe they had 17 when they stopped.... and this was way before the Duggars even met! LOL so I guess its not that odd to me.......

Just going by my personal experience on the gall bladder thing. I was told not to get pregnant untill it was fixed do to the risk of preterm labor if I had a crisis while pregnant, and I have NO history of pregnancy complicaitons and only 1 pervious pregnancy. And, as far as it being their decision, that is exactly what I said. I don't get to choose for them. it is just my personal opinion that, given that history, I wouldn't have risked another pregnancy, and i feel it was irresponsible for them to do so. Not passing judgment on any one for having lots of kids. That is their business. Just commenting that given the medical issues at work this pregnancy was a real gamble, and I am not a betting woman. I couldn't do it when I was put in a similar situation because I just coundn't deal with having it on my conscience if something happened to the child. I saw it as selfish to enter into what I knew to be a highly risky pregnancy just because I wanted another child. It had the potential to end very badly and possibly deprive my DD of her mother. I couldn't take that risk, and I guess I just cannot understand the rationale behind doing so when you already have so many beautiful children.

 

[weheartdisney]

Prayers being sent for the Duggars and baby Josie.

God Bless.

 

[luvmy3jewels]

According to People, Michelle Duggar developed pre-eclampsia which was discovered when she was admitted for the gall bladder issues. For the Doctor to have delivered the baby by C-section that early, it must have been very serious. Risks for pre-eclampsia do included advanced maternal age.

That said, I hope that this baby thrives and there are no long term effects from her early delivery. From what I understand, it should help that she is female (for some reason pre-term boys tend not to do as well).

 

[DawnM]

I saw this a couple of days ago. Sounds like she will be in NICU for about 4 months???? That is a LONG time.

Praying for them.

Dawn

 

[princessmom29]

According to People, Michelle Duggar developed pre-eclampsia which was discovered when she was admitted for the gall bladder issues. For the Doctor to have delivered the baby by C-section that early, it must have been very serious. Risks for pre-eclampsia do included advanced maternal age.

That said, I hope that this baby thrives and there are no long term effects from her early delivery. From what I understand, it should help that she is female (for some reason pre-term boys tend not to do as well).

gall stones also result in sharply increased risk of pre-eclampsia due to the body not being able to properly eliminate waste products. Iti s not advisable that anyone with known gallstones attempt a pregnancy until they are resolved. That is according to my doctor.

 

[Kennywife]

Just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. I think the the PP you were responding to had some valid points. From what I have read she knew she had gall bladder issues and if she had any type of responsible doctor she would have been advised against another pregnancy, at least until after it was removed. She gambled and lost here as an over 40 mom with a massive amount of previous pregnancies, several prior c-sections, a history of pregnancy induced hypertension, and a known gall bladder issue. She knew it was medically very risky and did it anyway. I personally don't think it was a very responsible decision to have another child given those circumstances. I however, do not get to decide for her. I hope the child does well, and the parents take this as the warning that it is and stop. Her uterus is a ticking time bomb of scar tissue and over taxed muscle at this point just waiting to give way any kill not only an unborn child, but her as well. That would leave at least 19 kids without a mom. I feel that taking on that kind of risk is irresponsible. That is just my opinion. I don't get to decide for them, but it is something to think about.

Amen sister!

Took the words out of my mouth. I have a life long disability due to being born a preemie (near suffocation in the womb) and I know that this innocent little girl is in for a long road ahead. I feel sorry for Josie and hope she pulls through without complications, but the odds are that she will have some form of disability due to her birth.

Anna

 

[mebbradley]

I saw this a couple of days ago. Sounds like she will be in NICU for about 4 months???? That is a LONG time.

Praying for them.

Dawn

It's not that long, for as early as she was born. I was born 7 weeks early; and I was in the NICU for 1 month, then landed back in there after a week home for another month. This was in 1990. Then major surgery at 6 months and in and out of hospitals untill I was 3.

She has all the hope in the world to make it. I'm sending prayers her way.

 

[ireland_nicole]

In terms of estimated hospital time, families are told to expect that the baby will go home around their due date (thus the 4 month time frame for baby Josie). However, many babies go home much earlier; for instance, my DD came home 7 weeks before her due date weighing 3lb 13 oz (which funnily enough felt pretty big to me since she started out under 2 lbs.

Re: risk of disability; yes, it is real, with every child, but of course more so for kids who are born early. With micropreemies, estimates vary, but it is thought that approx. 25% will have a significant disability/delay of some kind, and roughly enother 25% will have a mild impairment.

IMHO, this is an unfortunate event, but I bear no judgement against Mrs. Duggar. For one, they were certainly not actively attempting to get pregnant (they were certainly surprised at the news), but moreover, it is not at all my place to judge anyone re: their family size. I really think those decisions are the place of a husband and wife, in conjunction with their beliefs. For me personally, after having two extremely early kids, with multiple complications, and nearly dying myself in the process, the decision we made was to not have further children. We are considering adoption/foster care in the future, though; we just don't believe after a lot of talking and praying that we are meant to naturally have more children. I don't judge people who choose not to have children, or to only have one. Why on earth would I take it upon myself to arbitrarily decide someone else's family size?

 

[princessmom29]

In terms of estimated hospital time, families are told to expect that the baby will go home around their due date (thus the 4 month time frame for baby Josie). However, many babies go home much earlier; for instance, my DD came home 7 weeks before her due date weighing 3lb 13 oz (which funnily enough felt pretty big to me since she started out under 2 lbs.

Re: risk of disability; yes, it is real, with every child, but of course more so for kids who are born early. With micropreemies, estimates vary, but it is thought that approx. 25% will have a significant disability/delay of some kind, and roughly enother 25% will have a mild impairment.

IMHO, this is an unfortunate event, but I bear no judgement against Mrs. Duggar. For one, they were certainly not actively attempting to get pregnant (they were certainly surprised at the news), but moreover, it is not at all my place to judge anyone re: their family size. I really think those decisions are the place of a husband and wife, in conjunction with their beliefs. For me personally, after having two extremely early kids, with multiple complications, and nearly dying myself in the process, the decision we made was to not have further children. We are considering adoption/foster care in the future, though; we just don't believe after a lot of talking and praying that we are meant to naturally have more children. I don't judge people who choose not to have children, or to only have one. Why on earth would I take it upon myself to arbitrarily decide someone else's family size?

the thing is that the WERE actively trying to get prgenant and believe that it is their God given duty to have ans many children as possible despite the risk. They believe that they are not responsiple for stopping the flow of children, God is. They will do nothing to stop having babies. It is not at all about family size. I could care less if they have 100. It is about making responsible medical decisions. You did that, IMO they did not. They kneow this pregnancy would be high risk, but did nothing to prevent it. They put the life of an unborn child and the mother of 19 in jeporday because of their beliefs. I think that they are at best severely misguided and at worst blatantly irresponsible. I don't think God calls anyone to put a knowingly put a life at risk.

 

[Ciciwoowoo]

I was surprised by this news when I heard it as I knew Michelle Duggar was due sometime after me, and I'm currently only 31 weeks. I send my prayers to the child and the family and hope all turns out well!

I didn't realize she had had prior C sections. I was advised by my perionatologist that this should be my last child (I have a son who is 12 and am currently 38 myself) because I had a C with my son and will have one with this one as well. The scar tissue from multiple C sections can be very damaging I guess, and your uterus is not as strong. With this knowledge, and the belief by both my partner and I that our family will be complete once our son arrives, we have decided to get a tubal ligation when the little guy is born. I figure they will already be fiddling around with my insides anyway, right?

 

[princessmom29]

I was surprised by this news when I heard it as I knew Michelle Duggar was due sometime after me, and I'm currently only 31 weeks. I send my prayers to the child and the family and hope all turns out well!

I didn't realize she had had prior C sections. I was advised by my perionatologist that this should be my last child (I have a son who is 12 and am currently 38 myself) because I had a C with my son and will have one with this one as well. The scar tissue from multiple C sections can be very damaging I guess, and your uterus is not as strong. With this knowledge, and the belief by both my partner and I that our family will be complete once our son arrives, we have decided to get a tubal ligation when the little guy is born. I figure they will already be fiddling around with my insides anyway, right?

there are 2 sets of twins in that family who were born by c-section, plus the last baby so at least 3 prior this would make 4. Carrying twins also puts you at risk for complications with latter pregnancies as the elasticity of the uterus is taxed more by multiples. C-sections from twins also tend to have more scar tissue as the uterus is typically more stretched when sutured.

 

[gasperdam]

God Bless baby Josie and the whole Duggar family.

I adore the whole family and watching them and their life has been a blessing to me. I really pray and hope that baby and the family do well.

 

[dizzymomx4]

Blessings going to Baby Josie and the entire Duggar Family.

 

[jacksmomma]

I know I will get flamed for this since this is a "support thread"...but does anyone else wonder who is homeschooling all the kids right now since Mom is/was in the hospital and most likely visiting the little one? Mr. Duggar does not seem very involved in the nitty gritty care of the kids. Oh wait, it is the older kids...just like always...taking care of their parents responsibilites and raising their siblings.

 

[Hannathy]

I know I will get flamed for this since this is a "support thread"...but does anyone else wonder who is homeschooling all the kids right now since Mom is/was in the hospital and most likely visiting the little one? Mr. Duggar does not seem very involved in the nitty gritty care of the kids. Oh wait, it is the older kids...just like always...taking care of their parents responsibilites and raising their siblings.

You got it!!! Just like all the other work in the house. She hasn't taken care of the kids or the housework in who knows how long, the older girls do everything.

 

[princessmom29]

I know I will get flamed for this since this is a "support thread"...but does anyone else wonder who is homeschooling all the kids right now since Mom is/was in the hospital and most likely visiting the little one? Mr. Duggar does not seem very involved in the nitty gritty care of the kids. Oh wait, it is the older kids...just like always...taking care of their parents responsibilites and raising their siblings.

So true. The older girls are probably more competent at the daily care of the children than their parents, certianly more than the father, anyway as they are the ones that do it on a day to day basis. As soon as there is a new infant that old one is cast off to an older sister, and she becomes the primary caregiver. They are the day to day caregivers so most likely nothing has changed except the additon of a new infant to their lineup. I question how much actual "school" the older ones get anyway, because according to their philosophy if it is not necessary for the care of the home the girls do not need it. They most likely stopped really teaching them anything long ago, based on what they say the girls need to know.