JonBenet Ramsey - Do you think her Mother murdered her?

[Honu]

The information that someone posted (post # 23 on page 2) from the U.S. District Court in Atlanta, saying that there was proof of an intruder, is from a libel case against the Ramseys (interestingly, they complained about people suspecting them, but their book is full of accusations against other people, some of whom were totally ruled out by the police). The information was not from the evidence in the case, but from the Ramsey family lawyer's interpretation of the evidence.

Actually, the information in that article was taken from the ruling of the judge in that civil case. It's an interesting read, if you ever have the chance.

 

[Kimberle]

I really have no idea.

For those that thing the brother did "it", why? Was he a "bad" little boy? I don't know anything about him.

 

[Simba's Mom]

No I don't. That poor woman spent the last 10 years of her life as an outcast when she's been greiving the loss of her beautiful daughter. I feel so bad for her and her family. Maybe because she and I have/had the same kind of cancer but I thought she was innocent all along. I do think it was someone who knew them pretty well but no idea who that might have been.

I also feel bad for that family. I had a son die and every time I looked at that family, I thanked God that I didn't endure what they did on top of the grief of the death. So it's not just that you "share" the same kind of cancer-best wishes to you.

 

[SueM in MN]

Actually, the information in that article was taken from the ruling of the judge in that civil case. It's an interesting read, if you ever have the chance.

I have read it.
It basically a re-writing of the information that the Ramsy family lawyers used in their defense of the libel case.

 

[sharonW]

No, I never believed Patsy killed her daughter. I watched
her on larry king and many other talk shows and I whole
heartly believed she had nothing to do with the murder. It
is a shame this case will probably go unsolved and a killer
and child molester is free.

 

[tiggerlover]

As with anyone else I have no way of knowing, but my feeling is that Patsy did not do it. I do remember way back when thinking that the brother may have, but I can't remember any more why I thought that. If Patsy didn't do it then I hope she is with JonBenet right now and at peace knowing what really did happen.

 

[AnaheimGirl]

I remember something that stuck with me. The mother said the brother was sleeping when she was killed but the brother could clearly be heard on the 911 tape in the background. I think the brother did and parents especially the mother covered it up.

I'm no expert on the case, but I thought she was killed during the night, and it took several hours after awakening in the morning for them to find her. It doesn't strike me as odd for the brother (and his parents) to have been asleep when it happened, but awake when the 911 call was placed.

Not saying I'm convinced of their innocence, either. I really have no idea what happened, other than it's a travesty that whoever did it, got away with it.

 

[MamaLema]

If she did, I hope she's in hell right now. If she didn't then I hope she is resting in peace.

Very well said

 

[LadyBears]

I know a couple of people who tried the pageant circuits & knew the family from the pageants only, not personally. I remember hearing some first hand stories about how the family was at the pageants. The stories I heard were not nice at all!! After this, my friends didn't let their daughters do the pageants anymore. They (the mom's) were afraid of becoming like Patsy.
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I truly believe the mother did it or else had someone else do it for her. I think the father covered for the mother. I never formed an opinion about the brother.

 

[ChristmasElf]

Something else Dr Lee pointed out that was interesting. The parents claimed that Jon Benet and her brother were asleep in the car when they returned from a friends house late the night before and that they had carried Jon Benet to bed and put her down and covered her.

When she was found she was in a nightgown (not in the clothes she had been wearing in the car) plus half digested pineapple was found in the stomach contents. A can of opened pineapple was found in the kitchen. Meaning the child was not put to bed asleep from the car, but that she had eaten pineapple around midnight.
Why lie about something so stupid then?
The child went home, probably complained she was hungry, ate pineapple, went to her room and put her nightgown on, like most 6 year olds maybe forgot to go potty before bed and fell asleep. When the pineapple started working its way through her system, she then wet the bed causing Patsy to flip out as the maid said she often became enraged at the child for this, and in the heat of the moment, possibly accidently killed her.
Patsy is upset as she herself was a beauty queen, why oh why can't Jon Benet do pageants? And why does she have to pee the bed again and again each night?

Patsy's not herself as she has stress, so her and John decide to sit down and scratch out the fake note thinking that if they demand money, people would think the child was kidnapped.
Patsy writes the note adding some of her quirky sayings and speech patterns while John makes it look like Jon Benet was attacked. He has to protect Patsy as he would be destroyed financially if she goes to jail.
Sometime while all this is happening, Patsy and John must be speaking to loudly and inadvertantly wake up the son while calling 911 and he is heard speaking in the back ground.
There were some footprints found in the yard, but a lot of the snow had melted which distorted the prints. $62,000 of the bonus John got couldn't be accounted for-could it be a "friend" helped carry off some "evidence" for a little pocket change?

Throw in a couple of rookie cops that let John and his buddy (who no longer speaks to John Ramsey interestly enough) to "find" the body where John carries her upstairs and places her under the tree.
Later it comes out through forensics that a thread matching the fabric of Patsy Ramseys blazer that she had worn the night before was found under the duct tape-this little evidence was dismissed because John Ramsey had ripped the tape from her little lifeless face. Yet the said blazer was upstairs in the parents bedroom-how could it have gotten on the tape?

This whole case reeks of a cover up. Grissom and Sarah on CSI could have had it all figured out in an hour. Such a shame.

 

[T. Lynn]

I think the mother and father know something...

It always bothers me how you see Sylvia Brown on Montel answering all these questions about people (being phsyic and all). Maybe I should go on his show and ask her who killed the little girl. She should know, right??? Someday I wish the true would come out to put this to rest. She's not my daughter and I hate the fact of not knowing.

 

[Teejay32]

it was so long ago...I thought an intruder did it, but the police were desperately trying to make a case against the parents for whatever reason, which was the other big mystery in the case to me besides who killed her.

 

[GeorgeG]

I really don't know. The whole case is so screwed up it's hard to tell who could have done it, but I do believe the family knows more than they admit and either the killer is being protected by either the family and/or the authorities or the police really bungled the investigation.

 

[robertsmom]

If someone in the family did it, then they had the police in their pocket. If not, then the Boulder PD was just fricking stupid for the way they botched that crime scene. Once the father brought Jon Benet's (is it one word or two?) body up from the basement, it was all over.

 

[sha_lyn]

I think the brother did it

The paint brushes that were used in the garottes were Patsy's brushes. The blanket that was used to wrap the body was said to have been draped over the sofa in a room the supposed intruder wouldn't have been near.
The ransom note used the term "Don't try to grow a brain John" something Patsy was known to have said many times in the past.
The note was dragged out and was written on a paper pad that was found in the Ramsey home. An intruder wouldn't have had the time to write such a note-plus it was never disclosed prior that John Ramsey had recently received a $118,000 bonus which is exactly the amount demanded in the note.

Something else Dr Lee pointed out that was interesting. The parents claimed that Jon Benet and her brother were asleep in the car when they returned from a friends house late the night before and that they had carried Jon Benet to bed and put her down and covered her.

When she was found she was in a nightgown (not in the clothes she had been wearing in the car) plus half digested pineapple was found in the stomach contents. A can of opened pineapple was found in the kitchen. Meaning the child was not put to bed asleep from the car, but that she had eaten pineapple around midnight.
Why lie about something so stupid then?

not only because of the above reasons but....

The brother was the one that she usually woke up when she wet the bed. A house keeper said that the sheets on the bed were not the ones she put on the bed the previous morning, yet parents claimed JB never woke up after they returned home.
The knive that was found was said (by a house keeper) to belong to the brother and was kept in his bathroom medicine cabinet.


I don't think the brother meant to do it. I think he was upset with her and probably pushed her down/into something.

An intruder wouldn't have taken the time to write such a lenghty note, change her sheets, feed her in the home, know the location of many of items used (aparently some items were in a room accessable by a very out of the way staircase).
There was also something about a light switch in/near the room JB was found in. The light was either on (or would have to of been turned on to navaigate the room) but the switch for the light was in a very out of the way/unlikely place.

 

[dznymom3]

Did either of the parents ever take a lie detector test?

 

[Blondie]

For those that thing the brother did "it", why? Was he a "bad" little boy? I don't know anything about him.

Jealousy can make people do things that are normally out of character.

 

[Pugdog007]

Did either of the parents ever take a lie detector test?

My understanding is that they both passed lie detector tests, but that they were not administered until years later, I think around 2000.

I think the parents did it, but that it was an accident.

 

[JerseyJanice]

For the first year or so after JB's murder, I thought someone in the family was responsible--the mother, the father, and/or the brother.

I don't think so anymore.

A grand jury was convened to examine all kinds of evidence. It did not hand down any indictions against the family.

Lou Smit was hired to prove the mother/father did it, and he came away convinced that they didn't do it.

I think that the FBI and therefore, most U.S. law enforcement believe that people are murdered by members of their families 98% or 99% of the time. So consequently, whenever somebody is killed, the family members are the first suspects.

It's easier to back into "evidence" by fitting a suspect into what you have, than it is to look at evidence objectively and figure out who it might be. If you're law enforcement and you already assume that it's family, that's who your evidence points to.

I don't think that we, the general population, knows all of the evidence that was gathered on this case, nor can we know how much of that evidence is subject to interpretation.

I think Patsy's life on this Earth was a very tragic one, and I pray she finds peace in her next one.

I do not believe she could have or would have murdered her little girl.

 

[tiggersmom2]

For the first year or so after JB's murder, I thought someone in the family was responsible--the mother, the father, and/or the brother.

I don't think so anymore.

A grand jury was convened to examine all kinds of evidence. It did not hand down any indictions against the family.

Lou Smit was hired to prove the mother/father did it, and he came away convinced that they didn't do it.

I think that the FBI and therefore, most U.S. law enforcement believe that people are murdered by members of their families 98% or 99% of the time. So consequently, whenever somebody is killed, the family members are the first suspects.

It's easier to back into "evidence" by fitting a suspect into what you have, than it is to look at evidence objectively and figure out who it might be. If you're law enforcement and you already assume that it's family, that's who your evidence points to.

I don't think that we, the general population, knows all of the evidence that was gathered on this case, nor can we know how much of that evidence is subject to interpretation.

I think Patsy's life on this Earth was a very tragic one, and I pray she finds peace in her next one.

I do not believe she could have or would have murdered her little girl.

I absolutely agree! The Ramsey family was tried and convicted in the PUBLIC'S eyes. Very sad if you ask me. I hope Patsy is in heaven with her Angel.