JonBenet Ramsey - Do you think her Mother murdered her?

[ead79]

Good advice, and that's precisely what I'm doing. I've neither claimed Karr is innocent or guilty. Pointing out (as Luv2Roam excellently did) that there are major potential holes in a case against him (which I have also done) is a lot different than walking is here and stating that his mere arrest "vindicates" someone else.

You're not assuming Karr is guilty, but you certainly are assuming that the Ramseys are based on your comments in this thread. I think your news updates and insights are very interesting, but they are one-sided.

I'm not saying there aren't some questions that absolutely have to be answered before Karr could ever be found guilty, but it seems that you are evaluating the evidence from the point of view that he is unquestionably innocent. For instance, I heard the information you mentioned on the radio this morning about the family photo from Christmas of 1996. It's hardly a fool-proof alibi given that Karr is NOT in the picture. I'm not saying that it means he wasn't there, just that is likewise doesn't mean he was there. Also, I disagree with the premise that his ex-wife doesn't like him and thus has no reason to lie for him. I don't think that anyone would want to accept their ex-husband was a murderer and pedophile. To me that gives her a possible reason to defend him. I'm not saying that she is lying for sure, just that I can see how she possibly could be to save face.

I am very interested in hearing the information that the authorities are still holding back while the investigation is ongoing. The DNA results are certainly something I want to hear about, as is the other info they are still holding. I heard a portion of the audio tape where Karr spoke about the JonBenet killing to that woman (whose name escapes me right now), but the news specifically said that they were only given a portion of the tape. I wonder what else it says that we haven't heard.

Karr is certainly a sick, sick man, but I'm not sure he's guilty. I don't know if the reason his story doesn't add up is because he has invented an alternate reality in his mind (with comments like being there when she died but not accepting responsibility) or because he is truly innocent. As more info becomes available, it should become more clear.

 

[BeckyEsq]

Karr has stated that her death was an "accident." Problem is, her autopsy showed the cause of death was being brutually choked to death; her body was found a garrotte next to it, which left deep marks on her neck. As a prior poster put it, that's not "accidental."

Just to pick on this one point, I don't think that proves anything. I would guess that half the people who confess to murders claim that it was " an accident." His idea of an accident may be that he just lost his mind for a minute and killed her without planning to (as Norman Bates said, "we all go a little mad sometimes"). And who knows if he is making statements trying to confuse the situation for whatever reason, he's obviously not right in the head.

 

[tekmom]

Not only was she severely choked with the garrote, she had an 8 inch skull fracture. Her skull looked like a broken bowl. Because there was so little blood from the skull fracture, it would seem that she was near death from the choking and was hit with a tremendous amount of force. The autopsy photos are online and there is no way that the garrote was staged after the fact. That poor baby's neck looked like the center of an hourglass. That was no accidental death. John Karr is a freak who would love nothing more to forever be linked with JonBenet, but did not kill her IMO.

 

[PixieDust32]

Well, it looks like the damage control in Boulder I predicted is already begin to erupt. Fingers are already pointing at the Colorado University Professor who led the D.A.'s office on this whole wild goose chase after Karr:

JonBenet Flimsy - As the case against John Mark Karr disintegrates, attention turns to CU prof Michael Tracey, who's fingered false suspects in the past

Maybe he is the killer.

 

[PixieDust32]

Karr is guilty? We have yet to see any hard evidence that:

• Ties him to the crime scene in any way.
  
  
• Proves he has ever been in Boulder at any time in his life.
  
  
• Can explain why he has already made statements that we know are not true, specifically:
  
  
  A. Karr has stated he 'picked up JonBenet from school before the murder." Problem is, she wasn't in school on Christmas Day 1996.
  
  
  B. Karr has stated he "drugged" JonBenet. Problem is, the toxicolgy analysis in her autospy showed no evdience of any drugs in her body.
  
  
  C. Karr has stated he had sex with JonBenet before she died. Problem is, her autopsy showed no evidence of her being sexually assaulted.
  
  
  D. Karr has stated that her death was an "accident." Problem is, her autopsy showed the cause of death was being brutually choked to death; her body was found a garrotte next to it, which left deep marks on her neck. As a prior poster put it, that's not "accidental."
  
  

I heard in CNN that the drugged and school claims are false, he never said that.

 

[beachblanket]

I heard in CNN that the drugged and school claims are false, he never said that.

MSNBC and Fox are saying otherwise. That isn't surprising, the suspect is being quoted all over the place as having said this vs. that. Frankly, the best sources to be following the news on Karr aren't the big cable networks rather, read the local paper web sites in Boulder or Northern California - they are closer to the best sources and are more on top the story.

 

[lillygator]

what the heck is taking so long with this? If he did it and they have evidence I don't get the hold up? Surely they have the DNA results by now.

 

[momof2inPA]

Cyril Wecht, our local celebrity forensic pathologist thinks Karr is lying.

I thought it was strange that Patsy's sister said the public shouldn't rush to judgement about Karr. Do you think she knows something?

 

[PixieDust32]

MSNBC and Fox are saying otherwise. That isn't surprising, the suspect is being quoted all over the place as having said this vs. that. Frankly, the best sources to be following the news on Karr aren't the big cable networks rather, read the local paper web sites in Boulder or Northern California - they are closer to the best sources and are more on top the story.

I don't know anything anymore, I cannot wait to hear the truth in court.

 

[beachblanket]

I don't know anything anymore, I cannot wait to hear the truth in court.

Well, if this "case" ever gets to trial (and that's a BIG "if"), heaven knows how anyone will be able to tell which testimony from the suspect (if he testifies, which isn't guaranteed) is the "truth!"

 

[noodleknitter]

Well, if this "case" ever gets to trial (and that's a BIG "if"), heaven knows how anyone will be able to tell which testimony from the suspect (if he testifies, which isn't guaranteed) is the "truth!"

That would be "truth" like we saw in the OJ Simpson trial?

I still think the family is involved. I don't see any proof that they aren't and their behavior makes them suspect to me. (as if my opinion counted! )

 

[beachblanket]

Here's a picture of Quientana Ray, John Karr's first wife:

Quientana was 13 years old when she married him in 1984, a short lived relationship that last only nine months. He subsequently married 16 year old Lara Marie Karr on May 19, 1989. There are allegations that Karr convinced Lara -- who was 15 when they met -- to get pregnant so they could marry without her parent's consent.

Quientana was interviewed yesterday on the syndicated Dr. Keith Ablow Show, and to put it nicely, had little if anything nice to say about Karr. She said was "controlling and possessive," wouldn't allow her to shower alone, demanded that she smile in a way that "made me look younger" and felt he may have drugged her at various times.

 

[beachblanket]

Well, as I predicted it would last week, the house of cards some called the "case" against Karr has just collapsed:

Karr DNA did not match, charges won't be filed

So get out soap, because those who rushed to cheer "Patsey is redeemed" have some egg to wash off their faces

 

[noodleknitter]

I guess this drops me from "witch" status for having continued to believe she was involved.

It is amazing the bandwagons on which people jump. In reality, slimeball perverts don't always tell the truth.

 

[Holly]

JonBenet Ramsey - Do you think her Mother murdered her?

No. I do not.

 

[bigmerle1966]

Well, as I predicted it would last week, the house of cards some called the "case" against Karr has just collapsed:

Karr DNA did not match, charges won't be filed

So get out soap, because those who rushed to cheer "Patsey is redeemed" have some egg to wash off their faces

Big surprise there! That sicko just wanted to be famous for something, I bet if they hadn't caught the guy in the Polly Klass case he would have tried to claim he did it.

 

[my4kids]

Nope, I think the brother did. Not 100% sure or anything, but if I had to bet, that's where my money would be.

Thats what I always thought too, and their secretive behavior was to cover for him....they didn't want to lose 2 kids.

 

[lillygator]

Well, as I predicted it would last week, the house of cards some called the "case" against Karr has just collapsed:

Karr DNA did not match, charges won't be filed

So get out soap, because those who rushed to cheer "Patsey is redeemed" have some egg to wash off their faces

Thank you!!

 

[Mrs.Toad]

So get out soap, because those who rushed to cheer "Patsey is redeemed" have some egg to wash off their faces

Get out the Icy Hot, too, because some people are going to have some sore arm muscles from patting themselves on the back!

 

[Liz]

This morning I heard on Good Morning America that Karr's mother was in a mental institution and sexually abused him. He also described his mother as being "practically perfect".

I used to think the Ramseys were involved but I don't anymore. No real concrete reason to believe that. Maybe just wishful thinking.