JonBenet Ramsey - Do you think her Mother murdered her?

[ilovepcot]

I've always felt the parents "knew something" all along but just how involved they were is for another day. Hope in my lifetime this case is able to be solved because I'd love to know what really happened.

 

[azgal81]

I think the family knows more then they let on. Would I go as far as to say they killed her I don't know but I do think they know who did whether it was an accident or not.

 

[Honu]

I thought there had been a fairly recent discovery of DNA on the underwear that was being tested, but that it definitely ruled out both parents?

Correct. There is no evidence linking the Ramsey family to the murder. Based on evidence submitted to the U.S. District Court in Atlanta, there was proof of an intruder though.

law.com

PROOF OF AN INTRUDER

Carnes' order also lists a series of largely uncontested facts that suggest an intruder entered the Ramsey home and murdered JonBenét. Among them:

• At least seven windows and a door in the Ramsey home were found open or unlocked after JonBenét disappeared. The alarm was off and windows were accessible from the ground level, including three that opened into the basement.

• Evidence suggested that an intruder climbed through a basement window and walked through the room where JonBenét was found.

• JonBenét's body was bound with complicated rope slipknots and a garrote that the order described as "sophisticated bondage devices" by someone "with an expertise in bondage." No evidence suggests the Ramseys knew how to tie such knots.

• Black duct tape found on JonBenét's mouth was never found in the Ramsey home, although evidence suggested "it came from a roll of tape that had been used before."

• Nothing in the Ramsey home matched dark animal hairs found on the duct tape and JonBenét's hands.

• Newly made, unidentified shoeprints, including one with a HI-TEC brand mark, were found on the basement floor. None of the Ramseys' shoes matched those prints.

• A palm print on the wine-cellar door where JonBenét's body was found does not match the Ramseys' palm prints and has never been identified.

• A baseball bat found outside the house with fibers consistent with fibers found on the carpet in the basement where JonBenét's body was found did not belong to the Ramseys.

• Brown cotton fibers found on JonBenét's body, the paintbrush used as a garrote, the duct tape and the ligature around her neck did not match anything in the Ramsey home.

• Male DNA found under JonBenét's fingernails and in her underwear does not match that of any Ramsey and has not been identified yet.

• A pubic hair found on the blanket covering JonBenét's body did not match that of any Ramsey.

• Injuries found on the child's body are consistent with the use of a stun gun, according to a forensic pathologist. The Ramseys swore they had never owned or operated a stun gun and none was found in their home. Carnes cited testimony by A. Louis "Lou" Smit, a homicide detective originally hired by the Boulder Police Department to investigate JonBenét's death but who later began working for the Ramseys. Smit has said he believes JonBenét was subdued by a stun gun.

 

[Gonz Of Lancashire]

I heard Dr Henry Lee last night on Greta I think it was say that DNA could have gotten there from a simple DNA transfer from whoever handled it in the shop where they made the underwear or the store. That is how sensitve the DNA tests are nowadays.

Just on the subject of Greta, we get Fox News on satellite TV and I wonder if all the other channels over there cover murders to such depths. It seems strange that with there being quite a lot of murders in the USA, Fox News seems to concentrate on the same few murders all the time ie Scott Petersen, Natalie Holloway etc. Is Fox really as tabloid as it looks, or are other news channels the same?

 

[3princesses4us]

I only read one book on the subject and it was the one linking Patsy's handwriting sytle to that of the ransom note so I thought she might have been involved. My mother who is a true crime novel junkie originally thought she might have done it but after reading every book on the subject of JB's murder is now 100% convinced that an intruder did it. Sadly, I don't think we will ever know who actually did it. If Patsy was innocent, what a sad way to spend your last 10 years... everyone thinking you're a monster.

 

[luv2nascar]

I remember something that stuck with me. The mother said the brother was sleeping when she was killed but the brother could clearly be heard on the 911 tape in the background. I think the brother did and parents especially the mother covered it up.

 

[MareQ]

I think the family knows more then they let on. Would I go as far as to say they killed her I don't know but I do think they know who did whether it was an accident or not.

That's exactly how I feel about the whole matter.

 

[Cool-Beans]

Just on the subject of Greta, we get Fox News on satellite TV and I wonder if all the other channels over there cover murders to such depths. It seems strange that with there being quite a lot of murders in the USA, Fox News seems to concentrate on the same few murders all the time ie Scott Petersen, Natalie Holloway etc. Is Fox really as tabloid as it looks, or are other news channels the same?

They are all the same.

DH joked that if he had a time machine, he'd go back in time and kill Lacey and Natalie's fathers so they could never be born.

If I never heard the names Lacey or Natalie again it'd be fine with me.

 

[poohandwendy]

I think the parents know what happened that night, but I don't think the truth will ever be revealed.

 

[Ub_Iwerks]

Is Fox really as tabloid as it looks, or are other news channels the same?

Fox is as tabloid as it looks. I like some of their shows in the entertainment category, but their news division is a joke. Rupert Murdoch, who started Fox News, has been in the tabloid business for several decades.

 

[noodleknitter]

I think she did. I know that is awful, but I do. She grew up around here, and there were the two sides, of course. But one thing that was consistent were the comments about how high strung she has always been. Anyone wound that tight, has the potential to be dangerous, IMO.

 

[mytwotinks]

I don't think she did it and I can't think of a more horrible way to live than to have people think that I had killed one of my children. What a sad way to spend such a short life.

 

[LoraJ]

I've always thought the brother did it.

Same here!

 

[Poohbear123]

Nope, I think the brother did. Not 100% sure or anything, but if I had to bet, that's where my money would be.

I agree!

 

[Chilehead Too]

I truly believe that if she didn't do it that she DEFINATELY knew who did.

I feel the exact way.

 

[ChristmasElf]

I always wondered if the Mother would confess while on her death bed, but she didn't. Couse if she had, then John Ramsey could have been indicted for covering for her or the brother.

The paint brushes that were used in the garottes were Patsy's brushes. The blanket that was used to wrap the body was said to have been draped over the sofa in a room the supposed intruder wouldn't have been near.
The ransom note used the term "Don't try to grow a brain John" something Patsy was known to have said many times in the past.
The note was dragged out and was written on a paper pad that was found in the Ramsey home. An intruder wouldn't have had the time to write such a note-plus it was never disclosed prior that John Ramsey had recently received a $118,000 bonus which is exactly the amount demanded in the note.

Bunch of bungled police work is what ruined this case.

 

[disneymouse]

i also agree with the real possibility of the brother doing it. the handwritten ransom note seemed SO fake to me as well.

 

[Wishing on a star]

I think the mother could have done it.

I am no expert on following the case. But, every time I have seen that woman, it just did not sit right with me. Made my skin crawl.

Also, beauty pageants are one thing, but the way that girl was dressed, and 'trained' to wink and nod and smile like she just walked down the staircase in the 'Best Little Wh0rehouse in Texas'... That turned my stomache.

Even if there was an accomplice, the mother was involved.
There was evil in that house.
No doubt about it.

 

[Tanuki]

I think it was an intruder (not a member of the immediate family).

The one thing I have never been able to put aside is the amount of money requested in the fake ransom note was the same amount as John Ramsey's bonus. That is just beyond coincidence to me. I think the child was killed by someone they knew with who had a beef with one of the parents.

Due to the botched crime scene investigation I suspect people will be speculating over whodunit for years.

 

[SueM in MN]

I don't think it was a murder. I think that the mother and/or father accidentally killed Jonbenet and the "murder" site was all set up to make it look like something it was not. The head injury could have been the result of hitting something like the side of a tub, the toilet or the spindles on Jonbenet's bedframe. I think that when they saw she was dying/dead, they panicked and came up with the staged ransom note and all the other stuff.

I have read most of the books about Jonbenet Ramsey's death and that seems to make the most sense with all the facts. Dr. Lee pretty much said that he thought it was some sort of domestic accident arranged to look like something else.

The information that someone posted (post # 23 on page 2) from the U.S. District Court in Atlanta, saying that there was proof of an intruder, is from a libel case against the Ramseys (interestingly, they complained about people suspecting them, but their book is full of accusations against other people, some of whom were totally ruled out by the police). The information was not from the evidence in the case, but from the Ramsey family lawyer's interpretation of the evidence. And, much of the "evidence" cited in that case, is interpreted in other ways by other people (for example, it does not appear it would be easy for anyone to have entered that basement window; John Ramsey is the source who said that the alarm system was not set and that windows and doors were found open; no matching duct tape or matching animal hair was found in the home, but the Ramsey family was allowed to remove items from the house without being watched while they gathered them and there are pictures of Mrs. Ramsey wearing some fur boots before the murder, but the boots were not found in the home and Mrs. Ramsy denied having any boots like that).

So anyway, I don't think they murdered her, but I do think one or both of her parents were responsible for her death and the coverup.