JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

[cabanafrau]

That was always a problem from the beginning, with the way it was handled by the police, and the leaking of the "info".

I wonder how much info might be held back from public knowledge in the event they ever come up with another piece to point to a particular suspect one day?

 

[gwynne]

I wonder how much info might be held back from public knowledge in the event they ever come up with another piece to point to a particular suspect one day?

I have absolutely wondered this. So much has to be missing.

 

[asta]

Why do you think that one was so good? Did they seem to follow a specific theory, did they seem to try to recreate the events from what is known, did they run through a lot of the evidence and offer any differing theories?

I also liked the A&E version more. I think it relied more on scientific evidence and less on behavioral theories. The devoted time to the garrote showing how marks on her throat corresponded to the rope being tightened and loosened as it moved on her throat. They also showed marks on her throat that looked like they were made from her fingernails as she grabbed at the rope. Very chilling evidence that the CBS version did not address. Of course that would ruin their whole theory because it meant the torture came before the blow to the head. In the CBS version she was knocked unconscious or already dead before the garrote was used.

A&E finished their show with the statement that DNA advances would maybe be able to solve this one day. I hope that is the case. As I mentioned in an earlier post a little girl was murdered here almost 40 years ago and DNA evidence found the killer a few years ago. I hope the same thing can be done here.

 

[RitaE]

Oh how I wish I wasn't at work right now so I could pull up a floor plan of the house.

OK the ransom note is no longer a red herring to me now that I have read the note pad was kept in the kitchen. I still think it was an intruder but more and more I think it was someone linked to the family. Either a stalker from the beauty pageant world who had befriended JonBenet at the events but remained under the radar as suspicious to the parents or a coworker of the fathers or worker in his office. Either or would make sense that they would know about the family.

Since JB had been seen several times for discomfort I wouldn't be shocked if someone on the circuit was abusing her but being very very crafty about it. There are ways to abuse a child with leaving 0 evidence beyond the discomfort aside. I was abused when I was JBs age and when asked directly I always said no. Maybe this whole thing was being whoever was doing this to JB thought she was going to talk soon. The other little girl being molested in her bedroom in the same area of CO adds fuel to the fire. Can anyone link to that story? I couldn't find anything about it in my searchs and am at work so can't search to much with out throwing red flags up to HR haha.

This is an article that talks about a couple of other theories that were out there including the report of the other girl who was assaulted in her bedroom. I'm not real current on whether anything ever came from these avenues. The last I recall hearing the family of the man who committed suicide refused to provide familial DNA.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jonbenet-dna-rules-out-parents/

 

[wilkeliza]

This is an article that talks about a couple of other theories that were out there including the report of the other girl who was assaulted in her bedroom. I'm not real current on whether anything ever came from these avenues. The last I recall hearing the family of the man who committed suicide refused to provide familial DNA.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jonbenet-dna-rules-out-parents/

Thank you. Based on this article alone it seems that those two situations could be linked! I mean come on a little girl who went to the same exact dance school as JonBenet is molested in her bedroom by an intruder who knew her name and was able to vanish while leaving no trace of forced entry seems like to many coincidences.

 

[msjprincess]

Thank you. Based on this article alone it seems that those two situations could be linked! I mean come on a little girl who went to the same exact dance school as JonBenet is molested in her bedroom by an intruder who knew her name and was able to vanish while leaving no trace of forced entry seems like to many coincidences.

Yep and they suspect he sneaked into the house while they were out and hid until they went to bed. If it could happen in that case why is it crazy to think it could have happened in the Ramsey case?

 

[RitaE]

Thank you. Based on this article alone it seems that those two situations could be linked! I mean come on a little girl who went to the same exact dance school as JonBenet is molested in her bedroom by an intruder who knew her name and was able to vanish while leaving no trace of forced entry seems like to many coincidences.

Like I said, I'm not sure whether anything ever came of the reports. The Ramsey case was investigated for thousands and thousands of hours and millions of dollars. You can get lost in any of thousands of different rabbit holes trying make sense of it.

 

[wilkeliza]

Like I said, I'm not sure whether anything ever came of the reports. The Ramsey case was investigated for thousands and thousands of hours and millions of dollars. You can get lost in any of thousands of different rabbit holes trying make sense of it.

It doesn't look like much ever came out of it because the P.I.s use tactics that aren't legal to get evidence. However, I do wonder if the other little girl Amy was ever swabbed for potential DNA under her fingers or anything like that. I read it as the family said nothing was done or investigated and they just took down a quick report but nothing further ever came of it.

 

[kidshop]

Well I watched the 3rd of the series of Dr Phil, and I tried to keep an open mind. I did not see the first 2 yet. I did not like John at ALL in this one, while I felt much different about the other one (which?) where he seemed much softer...and they portrayed him as living much simpler now ie his rented house.

Burke...hmm all I can say is he did not do himself any favors doing this interview. I wonder if they edited this last installment, b/c there was a lot of John and he seemed angry! He said the most awful thing!!! "this really wasn't about a little girl who was murdered, it was about what the police/media did to HIM!

 

[cabanafrau]

This is an article that talks about a couple of other theories that were out there including the report of the other girl who was assaulted in her bedroom. I'm not real current on whether anything ever came from these avenues. The last I recall hearing the family of the man who committed suicide refused to provide familial DNA.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jonbenet-dna-rules-out-parents/

Thanks, this was interesting and disturbing to read.

The dead guy angle bothered me. Not because I felt he was necessarily involved in this disturbing crime, but because of the strange persistence of his "friend" -- including obtaining the suspect boots after his death? How could it even be certain those are the boots of the deceased?

Honestly, the dance studio idea rang more plausible to me. Where it fell down for me was the problematic history of the investigator and the too convenient closed and torn down studio. I'd like to hear more from a different source though.

It doesn't look like much ever came out of it because the P.I.s use tactics that aren't legal to get evidence. However, I do wonder if the other little girl Amy was ever swabbed for potential DNA under her fingers or anything like that. I read it as the family said nothing was done or investigated and they just took down a quick report but nothing further ever came of it.

I understand what you're saying and how it reads that way, but I think it's maybe a misunderstanding. I don't think the police investigated a home invasion and sexual assault of a child with a quick report that nothing ever came of. I think that comment might be in reference to the dance studio connection only.

 

[cabanafrau]

Well I watched the 3rd of the series of Dr Phil, and I tried to keep an open mind. I did not see the first 2 yet. I did not like John at ALL in this one, while I felt much different about the other one (which?) where he seemed much softer...and they portrayed him as living much simpler now ie his rented house.

Burke...hmm all I can say is he did not do himself any favors doing this interview. I wonder if they edited this last installment, b/c there was a lot of John and he seemed angry! He said the most awful thing!!! "this really wasn't about a little girl who was murdered, it was about what the police/media did to HIM!

Could he have been referencing all the scrutiny and speculation and trying to say it really wasn't about finding who killed a little girl?

I can't fault him for anger. I'd imagine I'd be furious if someone killed one of my children -- then proceeded to have everyone blame my other child and my spouse and myself.

 

[mco65]

I watched the CBS special over the past few evenings and found them very interesting. I obviously followed the case initially, some 20 years ago, but concluded in my mind that the Ramseys were innocent. CBS made a strong case against Burke accidentally killing JB and Mom and Dad covering it up. Not sure what i believe now other than this case will never be solved.. sadly.

 

[Sandy Cross]

Since you are new, I have a few thoughts. I hope they are helpful.
The DIS is different than some online crime forums. This is just a thread, not a full forum. I would say it's pretty loose here with sourcing, but still it's appreciated when someone gives a little information about their source. (Book, TV show, other forum, etc.)

If someone is pondering something they themselves have thought about, it helps when someone says: I have a theory, or my theory is, or I think....
It keeps the discussion going without other posters having to backtrack and figure out what's what.

Posts are going to be discussed. Some people are going to agree, some won't. It's not personal. People are going to look and see what they think fits with other facts, other theories, the timeline, and their own ideas. It's how we respectfully share and learn.

Thank you for your help it is much appreciated. I will try to do better.

 

[kidshop]

Could he have been referencing all the scrutiny and speculation and trying to say it really wasn't about finding who killed a little girl?

I can't fault him for anger. I'd imagine I'd be furious if someone killed one of my children -- then proceeded to have everyone blame my other child and my spouse and myself.

No. I rewound it. I quote, ". The real story here is not that a child was murdered. The real story here is what was done to us by an injust system."

John said this if it wasn't clear.

 

[Sandy Cross]

No. I rewound it. I quote, ". The real story here is not that a child was murdered. The real story here is what was done to us by an injust system."

John said this if it wasn't clear.

That is a sucky thing for a father to say.

 

[nugov2]

No. I rewound it. I quote, ". The real story here is not that a child was murdered. The real story here is what was done to us by an injust system."

John said this if it wasn't clear.

I can understand why after all these years why he feels that way, because that is the story that the media is selling and what they are dealing with. They are either horrible people who have covered up a crime or victims of a media massacre and a botched murder investigation. It hasn't been about his daughter's murder for a long time. I'd also need the frame of reference to what he was responding to and the ongoing dialogue. Just a random quote is hard to put into context without knowing what they were discussing.

 

[LisaR]

No. I rewound it. I quote, ". The real story here is not that a child was murdered. The real story here is what was done to us by an injust system."

John said this if it wasn't clear.

I don't know. I think I'd have to hear it for myself and see what was said before (which may have been edited by the good doctor). I can understand why he feels that way. The story should have been about the murder, but it never seemed to be. It was always about going after the family. Almost 20 years later and they still have people taking pictures of them having coffee or going grocery shopping. If you believe they are innocent (I do) then they really did get screwed. They lost everything. Sadly, people are murdered everyday. I'm sure they would have loved to have the story be all about their daughter, but it never was. As if the murder itself wasn't bad enough, the witch hunt was horrible. I won't say worse, but I didn't have to live it like they did and will continue to do.

 

[kidshop]

I can understand why after all these years why he feels that way, because that is the story that the media is selling and what they are dealing with. They are either horrible people who have covered up a crime or victims of a media massacre and a botched murder investigation. It hasn't been about his daughter's murder for a long time. I'd also need the frame of reference to what he was responding to and the ongoing dialogue. Just a random quote is hard to put into context without knowing what they were discussing.

It followed a clip of Patsy talking about angels people leave at JonBenets grave. She thought it was beautiful. Cut to John saying the real story is not a murdered child etc. then dr Phil asks if he will speak again about this. John says no, never. There is no point.

It WAS random, just stuck in there and came across as obscenely callous and narcissistic. It that how it was or did someone at dr Phil edit it that way? That would be odd since this was a pro Ramsey show. But John said it just like that in no other context. "The real story here is what was done to us by an injust system." This is what John said about the unsolved case of his dead daughter.

Did no one else see this!?

 

[msjprincess]

Maybe it had to do with this discussion? Meaning the murder was to punish him, not about JonBenet. http://www.drphil.com/videos/why-john-ramsey-believes-his-daughters-murder-was-about-him/

 

[nugov2]

It followed a clip of Patsy talking about angels people leave at JonBenets grave. She thought it was beautiful. Cut to John saying the real story is not a murdered child etc. then dr Phil asks if he will speak again about this. John says no, never. There is no point.

It WAS random, just stuck in there and came across as obscenely callous and narcissistic. It that how it was or did someone at dr Phil edit it that way? That would be odd since this was a pro Ramsey show. But John said it just like that in no other context. "The real story here is what was done to us by an injust system." This is what John said about the unsolved case of his dead daughter.

Did no one else see this!?

It seems like they edited it in to make it dramatic. I'm not willing to make any judgment about his character based on a sound bite edited in at a dramatic point in a dr. Phil show.