JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

[cabanafrau]

I saw something this past week, can't remember which show since there have been so many where it said several experts had ruled her out.

Is there more going on than the brother suddenly being interviewed? Are there a bunch of documentaries or something going on right now? Is that why this is brought up in the news again?

 

[msjprincess]

Is there more going on than the brother suddenly being interviewed? Are there a bunch of documentaries or something going on right now? Is that why this is brought up in the news again?

I think it's because the 20th anniversary is coming up in December. I'm guessing they're all on now instead of December because of the Dr Phil interview. So they're all competing with each other.

 

[msjprincess]

I think it's because the 20th anniversary is coming up in December. I'm guessing they're all on now instead of December because of the Dr Phil interview. So they're all competing with each other.

ETA
Yes. There has been a Dateline special, a 3 part series on ID, an A&E special, to name a few.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Is there more going on than the brother suddenly being interviewed? Are there a bunch of documentaries or something going on right now? Is that why this is brought up in the news again?

It's the 20th anniversary. My guess is they decided to do the specials now instead of Devember because it doesn't exactly got the holiday mood.

 

[Hikergirl]

Don't we know that her mother had brought her in more than once with vaginitis or infections? Those could point to molestation, so a competent doc would have been looking for indications.

In his interview he said that he was looking for signs. In fact he said he does with all his patients, but I would assume a child with frequent visits for vaginitis would be looked at with more scrutiny.

 

[cabanafrau]

I think it's because the 20th anniversary is coming up in December. I'm guessing they're all on now instead of December because of the Dr Phil interview. So they're all competing with each other.

ETA
Yes. There has been a Dateline special, a 3 part series on ID, an A&E special, to name a few.

It's the 20th anniversary. My guess is they decided to do the specials now instead of Devember because it doesn't exactly got the holiday mood.

I've heard hype about the brother speaking, but that's it. Apparently I live under a rock.

 

[cabanafrau]

In his interview he said that he was looking for signs. In fact he said he does with all his patients, but I would assume a child with frequent visits for vaginitis would be looked at with more scrutiny.

Yep, it is protocol. It's also not super conclusive that no evidence of that was noted either. It is notable that someone being accused of at least staging molestation was the person bringing her in for medical attention that might have uncovered molestation.

 

[EMom]

The "fingerprints on the pineapple bowl" as damning evidence cracks me up. I'd love to know how other people get their dishes from their dishwasher to their cabinets without touching them, because I can't seem to manage it. Maybe Samantha from Bewitched could do it, but most mortals have to use their hands. Why is it a shock that the bowl had prints? I'd think a large percentage of dishes in my cabinet have prints. Yet, on NONE of these programs does anyone pipe up and say, "Of course, there's a perfectly logical explanation for family prints being on the pineapple bowl and that's because someone had to empty the dishwasher."

 

[msjprincess]

The "fingerprints on the pineapple bowl" as damning evidence cracks me up. I'd love to know how other people get their dishes from their dishwasher to their cabinets without touching them, because I can't seem to manage it. Maybe Samantha from Bewitched could do it, but most mortals have to use their hands. Why is it a shock that the bowl had prints? I'd think a large percentage of dishes in my cabinet have prints. Yet, on NONE of these programs does anyone pipe up and say, "Of course, there's a perfectly logical explanation for family prints being on the pineapple bowl and that's because someone had to empty the dishwasher."

Exactly. I said a couple of days ago that every bowl and dish in my house probably has my fingerprints on it. It's so ridiculous.

 

[goofy !]

Wait, you're suggesting that physical evidence that does not point to a family member as assailant should be discounted because you "bet" there's more logical reasons it's benign and has no bearing to the case and the suspicions of other people -- including unspecified "professionals" should be considered as stronger evidence -- despite there being no clear, Incontrovertible objective or scientific evidence the family did it?

ETA Incidentally, a full 50-percent of the reasons you cite for their being a logical reason for that DNA being present points to mind numbing mishandling of evidence by LE or the crime lab, particularly LE if you know anything at all about the processing of clothing from a murder victim's body. There would be NO, absolutely NO instance where there should be even the slightest possibility for TOUCH DNA to be transferred from LE to Jon Benet's undergarments. They would have been removed by the medical examiner at their office, bagged and then handed off to the crime lab. The only time they would have been in the possession of LE they would have been bagged and sealed for transport to the crime lab -- and rebagged and sealed after testing.

 

[cabanafrau]

The "fingerprints on the pineapple bowl" as damning evidence cracks me up. I'd love to know how other people get their dishes from their dishwasher to their cabinets without touching them, because I can't seem to manage it. Maybe Samantha from Bewitched could do it, but most mortals have to use their hands. Why is it a shock that the bowl had prints? I'd think a large percentage of dishes in my cabinet have prints. Yet, on NONE of these programs does anyone pipe up and say, "Of course, there's a perfectly logical explanation for family prints being on the pineapple bowl and that's because someone had to empty the dishwasher."

You've hit on another reason exactly why these types of programs or books or whatever can be very misleading to rely upon. If they're not putting "evidence" in context of collection and source or within the cumulative cohesion of the other evidence in the case, not giving the entirety of the situation, not even mentioning any other possibilities the evidence could point to -- or any deficiencies in the evidence or collection itself, how definitive could the conclusions be? Not very in my book.

What I think would surprise some people is that if you put this evidence into a courtroom setting the cumulative testimony of just the bowl of pineapple and the factors arising out of it might very well involve the testimony, including cross examination, of at least 10 witnesses on the prosecution side of the case alone and might very well wind up toting up to four or five hours just the back and forth of the minutiae of that bowl of pineapple. I'm not saying that each of those witnesses would only be called to testify about the pineapple and the bowl, but questions devoted simply to the pineapple and the bowl could easily take four to five hours themselves in order to demonstrate to a jury exactly what weight they should put upon that evidence.

 

[goofy !]

John knew exactly where her body was. they said she went to bed. When she obviously had pineapple. Why no tracts of footprints. Why would a kidnapper take the time to.write out a novel of a ransom note. While there people were in the house. Weren't they afraid of being caught? Why weren't they freaking out when the time passed and no call for kidnappers. Why was Patsy in the same clothes from the day before? When she was such a slave to fashion? Even her close friends said that was strange for her. Whoever wrote that ransom note was trying to be dumb but knew what an attached bag was and spelled it correctly when the whole ransom note was filled with misspellings. I could go on and on.

Here, maybe this helps. Here is some more internet speculation that says there were actually footprints in the mold in the storage room in the basement that do not match anyone in the household
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682512/The Basement

 

[Diznygrl]

God, Dr. Phil is such a hack and this whole Burke interview is a complete waste of time. Like someone else said, what does he really expect to happen?? For Burke to just come out and say, "Yeah, I hit her over the head with a flashlight and punctured her with train tracks. I wrote the ransom note, too." Seriously. Every single accusation you make he will deny, whether it's the truth or not. Why would he do anything else?

Also, Dr. Phil has a way of asking inflammatory questions with such stern and judgmental scrutiny it drives me batty.

 

[LisaR]

Did I hear this one correctly?
Thirteen days after the death of JBR, police showed up on the doorstep of the home where Burke was staying with friends. They LIED to the person watching Burke and told her John and Patsy agreed to allow them to interview him. They proceeded to question him without his parents or any adult present...a NINE YEAR OLD CHILD!! And some of you are wondering why John and Patsy stopped cooperating with the police and kept Burke away from them?

 

[moon]

Wow girls had their hair done. Creepy.

Yes, hair dyed (JonBebet wasn't a platinum blonde. He hair was bleached) they get perms, spray thas, fake teeth and many are dressed provocately...Creepy

 

[stitch'sgirl]

Forget Dr Phil and tune into the A&E special. It has been full of information, and also shows how much the BPD refused to seek the truth. Looking forward to part 3.

 

[stitch'sgirl]

Oops,

Forget Dr Phil and tune into the A&E special. It has been full of information, and also shows how much the BPD refused to seek the truth. Looking forward to part 3.

I meant "An American Murder Mystery" on the ID channel. There are so many specials on right now I am getting confused!!

 

[fly girl]

Is there more going on than the brother suddenly being interviewed? Are there a bunch of documentaries or something going on right now? Is that why this is brought up in the news again?

As @msjprincess said, 20th anniversary.

It's also big because networks learned how much profit can be gained by going back and rehashing old crimes. OJ and the "Trial of the Century" was a ratings hit.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Did I hear this one correctly?
Thirteen days after the death of JBR, police showed up on the doorstep of the home where Burke was staying with friends. They LIED to the person watching Burke and told her John and Patsy agreed to allow them to interview him. They proceeded to question him without his parents or any adult present...a NINE YEAR OLD CHILD!! And some of you are wondering why John and Patsy stopped cooperating with the police and kept Burke away from them?

Not only that but then they leaked snippets of the interview to the press. Of course it was stuff that sounded bad, especially when it's only little bits of information.

 

[mnrose]

John knew exactly where her body was. they said she went to bed. When she obviously had pineapple. Why no tracts of footprints. Why would a kidnapper take the time to.write out a novel of a ransom note. While there people were in the house. Weren't they afraid of being caught? Why weren't they freaking out when the time passed and no call for kidnappers. Why was Patsy in the same clothes from the day before? When she was such a slave to fashion? Even her close friends said that was strange for her. Whoever wrote that ransom note was trying to be dumb but knew what an attached bag was and spelled it correctly when the whole ransom note was filled with misspellings. I could go on and on.

I've never understood this point at all. Seriously, she gets out of bed first thing in the morning....before she's had coffee even...and she's supposed to pick out new clothes to wear? I'd throw on the same thing I had on the night before, and THEN put on whatever I was planning to travel in (as they were) so that those things would be "fresh" as I left on my trip. That is the most innocuous fact EVER in my book, and a pretty weak link for pinning a suspicion of murder on anyone. You put on the same clothes? Tsk Tsk. Surely that means you murdered your kid.

So who do you think wrote the note in the Ramsey house and why couldn't they match the handwriting to someone in the home, if indeed, it was?