Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[madge]

Is it really worth it Kate to give up your kids privacy for fame??

evidently, it is.

and not just Jon and Kate Gosselin. Any family who puts their children on TV for monetary gain.

 

[MAKmom]

I saw a clip of the new Kate + 8 on the insider. Colin was so cute telling the Philly cop that he thinks policemen are awesome.

 

[walden]

I think Kate's show is a test, to see if she can carry a show on her own. It's called Twist of Kate and apparently will chronicle her doing various jobs and offering insight where she can. I'm pretty curious to see if she'll manage it or not. I hope she does and then hopefully Kate+8 can go back on the shelf and not on tv. A perfect compromise would be Kate's show going forward with a yearly update on the kids. That would be smart and I'd actually watch that. Then it wouldn't be a regular job for the kids.

TLC isn't stupid, they know they have a much better chance at higher ratings with the kids rather than just Kate. At least I think so anyway. So yes, the kids are back at work and Kate has called it 'our family job'. Weird though since she has in the past always claimed that the kids are just playing, not working.

Yep, but I think on the Kate & 8 show, TLC is going to minimize the kids' participation and focus more on Kate. The DOL is now watching. That link above pretty much said that they are limiting the filming of the kids with the new work permits.

That does bring me to an Etiquette Question here on the Dis.

Once this thread reaches 250, we will have to either let it die a natural death or renew it, but I don't think we can (or even should) call any new thread the J & K *Official thread* any more, let alone part 9. Jon and Kate are no more and I never liked the *Official* thing anyway..

We have a new thread for "Kate & 8." Power to them. The majority of the posters there seem just overjoyed by the return of Kate (and kids). I kind of want to leave them to their enjoyment, and not bust their chops with my reservations, especially as I will not be watching that show and can't add anything to the discussion.

So should we have a *Twist of Kate* thread too? I might watch that. Kate garbage collecting will tickle my sense humor and at least she will not be making the kids work on that show. I'm all for Kate earning some $$ without the kids.

Or should we add an *Everything Else Gosselin* thread too? We could discuss Jon's latest transgressions there too.

Of course, my own personal preference would be a thread for reservations on all *Reality TV* children, Duggars, Masches,Table of 12, etc, included, and the (boring) legislation pertaining to their welfare, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that no-one else would post there and it would die! Legislation is really boring, unless you are fascinated by it like me, but it is oh so important.

I am somewhat kidding, as I hope most of you know. Discussion will end up on the most active Gosselin thread. I just wonder which or what it will be.

 

[OhMari]

evidently, it is.

and not just Jon and Kate Gosselin. Any family who puts their children on TV for monetary gain.

Think of all the movies that have child actors. The parents will tell you, their child wants to act, but the parent has to put the child into the system, they sure as heck don't just get their by themselves. So basically any child actor has parents that want their child to act for monetary gain.

Yep, but I think on the Kate & 8 show, TLC is going to minimize the kids' participation and focus more on Kate. The DOL is now watching. That link above pretty much said that they are limiting the filming of the kids with the new work permits.

That does bring me to an Etiquette Question here on the Dis.

Once this thread reaches 250, we will have to either let it die a natural death or renew it, but I don't think we can (or even should) call any new thread the J & K *Official thread* any more, let alone part 9. Jon and Kate are no more and I never liked the *Official* thing anyway..

We have a new thread for "Kate & 8." Power to them. The majority of the posters there seem just overjoyed by the return of Kate (and kids). I kind of want to leave them to their enjoyment, and not bust their chops with my reservations, especially as I will not be watching that show and can't add anything to the discussion.

So should we have a *Twist of Kate* thread too? I might watch that. Kate garbage collecting will tickle my sense humor and at least she will not be making the kids work on that show. I'm all for Kate earning some $$ without the kids.

Or should we add an *Everything Else Gosselin* thread too? We could discuss Jon's latest transgressions there too.

Of course, my own personal preference would be a thread for reservations on all *Reality TV* children, Duggars, Masches,Table of 12, etc, included, and the (boring) legislation pertaining to their welfare, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that no-one else would post there and it would die! Legislation is really boring, unless you are fascinated by it like me, but it is oh so important.

I am somewhat kidding, as I hope most of you know. Discussion will end up on the most active Gosselin thread. I just wonder which or what it will be.

I agree we shouldn't call it the original name Jon and Kate Plus 8, but it should be called something similar. We could go with the other thread, but I have a feeling it could get ugly over there once the show starts. Way back, I think 3 years ago, I started this thread and there was another thread about the Gosselins, and it got shut, because of all the bickering. I would really hate for that to happen, and then I couldn't have the guilty pleasure discussing the show.

 

[madge]

Think of all the movies that have child actors. The parents will tell you, their child wants to act, but the parent has to put the child into the system, they sure as heck don't just get their by themselves. So basically any child actor has parents that want their child to act for monetary gain.

I see what you're saying ... but I'm not sure I agree it's the same thing. At least with child actors, there are rights/laws/guidelines or whatever the child labor laws cover. They have protection.

But pushy stage parents, be it on TV, movies, pageants, etc. are, to some extent, using their children for financial gain. And we've seen many times the effect that it has on the parent/child relationship -- how many kids in the entertainment business have disassociated themselves from their parents, for whatever reason? I have no doubt there are many who have lasting, good relationships, but as with anything .. we never hear about them.

Where reality TV blurs that line, to me, is when they invite the cameras into the lives of the children. Those kids aren't acting. Their world is on display.

 

[southernbohemian]

I see what you're saying ... but I'm not sure I agree it's the same thing. At least with child actors, there are rights/laws/guidelines or whatever the child labor laws cover. They have protection.

But pushy stage parents, be it on TV, movies, pageants, etc. are, to some extent, using their children for financial gain. And we've seen many times the effect that it has on the parent/child relationship -- how many kids in the entertainment business have disassociated themselves from their parents, for whatever reason? I have no doubt there are many who have lasting, good relationships, but as with anything .. we never hear about them.

Where reality TV blurs that line, to me, is when they invite the cameras into the lives of the children. Those kids aren't acting. Their world is on display.

I was thinking about this same question today as well. Time will only tell if reality-star kids turn out to be as dysfunctional as actor kids. Personally, I think that it would be harder on someone who was famous as a child for acting. They worked and produced something that for a while people really wanted, and then, inevitably (unless you're Neil Patrick Harris), no one wants what you're selling anymore. Plus, reality shows that do well almost always feature families that are already dysfunctional or oddball. I think most of the Duggar children (save the one or two who rebel and want to do something crazy like go to college) will probably fair well because their parents so far have pretty much treated them the same from before they got on their show (slave labor). Most child actors who grow up normal always say their parents kept them down-to-earth. That's my main worry with the Gosselin kids because obviously fame has gone to Kate's head.

 

[susykt4]

Oh, ugh. Has anyone seen the clip from Kate + 8 on the airboat with the alligator? The girl tup who loves alligators is in HEAVEN while Kate is doing her ridiculous screaming and shrieking and scaring the rest of the kids. Then the clip flashed to Kate on the couch laughing about how she thought the alligator was going to leap out of the water and have HER head.

I had been softening toward Kate over the past months (of only watching her make a fool of herself on DWTS.) This clip helped me remember why I can't stand the woman! Why would they even TAKE and airboat ride if not specifically to see alligators in the wild? Sheesh! Share in Alexis's (or whichever loves them) excitement and make it one of the greatest moments of her life! Don't make it all about yourself! If I'm going to have an irrational fear that an animal is going to attack, I'm going to worry about my KIDS, not that it's going to leap at my own head! Oh, Kate...

 

[walden]

If Representative Murt's bill passes then at least Pennsylvania children working in the entertainment industry will have better protection than they have in the past. That includes the Gosselin children who will now get to have a teacher/advocate on set. It looks as though he is trying to push the bill through before summer recess.

http://www.repmurt.com/NewsItem.aspx?NewsID=9057

Murt Offers Bill to Update Pennsylvania’s Child Labor Laws 6/3/2010 Bill would protect children involved in television and film production

Rep. Thomas P. Murt (R-Montgomery/Philadelphia) today unveiled House Bill 2515, his legislation to address deficiencies in Pennsylvania’s child labor law as it relates to television and film productions in the Commonwealth.

“Pennsylvania is becoming home to a growing number of television and film productions,” said Murt. “As more productions come to the Commonwealth, we have a responsibility to examine our laws to ensure they are sufficient to enable these productions to occur safely and that the interests of all involved are protected.”

Murt noted that between 2002 and 2008, 922 productions took place all or in part in Pennsylvania. In 2002, 31 films that were released took place in Pennsylvania. By 2008, that number increased to 175. That represents an average annual growth rate of 33 percent over that period.

“This is a growing industry in the Commonwealth and current law is not adequate to address the particular issues that come with it,” Murt added. “That is why I hosted a public hearing on this issue back in April.

“Based on the testimony we heard at the hearing, I have developed House Bill 2515,” Murt continued. “This bill is aimed at addressing several holes in the current law which were identified at the hearing.”

Murt said his legislation would:

Require all minors to have a work permit issued by the state Department of Labor and Industry to ensure all adequate provisions have been made for the minor’s educational instruction, supervision, health and welfare.
Restrict minors to work between the hours of 7 a.m. and 10 p.m. and set guidelines for amount of hours for work, recreation, school work, and activities per work day.
Require the presence of a “set teacher” on the set of any production. This person will serve as an advocate for the minor to ensure the minor’s health, education, and moral safety on the set. In addition, this person will monitor the working conditions, the minor’s mental health, and the demands placed on the minor to ensure they are appropriate to the minor’s age, strength, and stamina.
Require that 15 percent of a minor’s gross earnings be set aside by the employer in a trust for the minor. At least one parent or legal guardian shall be trustee of these funds unless otherwise determined by a court.
Murt said his bill has been introduced and he is hopeful it will receive consideration by the full House and Senate before the end of the legislative session.

Rep. Thomas P. Murt
152nd District
Pennsylvania House of Representatives

 

[mousey]

Oh, ugh. Has anyone seen the clip from Kate + 8 on the airboat with the alligator? The girl tup who loves alligators is in HEAVEN while Kate is doing her ridiculous screaming and shrieking and scaring the rest of the kids. Then the clip flashed to Kate on the couch laughing about how she thought the alligator was going to leap out of the water and have HER head.

I had been softening toward Kate over the past months (of only watching her make a fool of herself on DWTS.) This clip helped me remember why I can't stand the woman! Why would they even TAKE and airboat ride if not specifically to see alligators in the wild? Sheesh! Share in Alexis's (or whichever loves them) excitement and make it one of the greatest moments of her life! Don't make it all about yourself! If I'm going to have an irrational fear that an animal is going to attack, I'm going to worry about my KIDS, not that it's going to leap at my own head! Oh, Kate...

That clip makes it more evident that Kate will never make it as an actress. I can't stand how she screems and carries on about what I'm sure we will be hearing "I do it for my kids". I really hope that PA legislation passes and the Gosselin's are under strict control by an outside source regarding this filming. What a damper that will put on the 6 or 7 retakes it takes to shoot a scene. I'm sure Kate is in her mindset that her kids deserve everything on a silver platter. This is how she justifies using them for her own agenda. The big thing is she does it all by herself---just ask her!

 

[MAKmom]

Radar online is reporting Haley has been cleared of the break-in at Jon's apartment. He staged the whole thing.

 

[madge]

Radar online is reporting Haley has been cleared of the break-in at Jon's apartment. He staged the whole thing.

really? seriously?

I'm shocked. Simply shocked.



PS. I'm kidding, in case anyone thought otherwise. LOL.

 

[cheermom1]

Radar online is reporting Haley has been cleared of the break-in at Jon's apartment. He staged the whole thing.

WOW I thought he might have but was hoping he had more sense than that. I guess not.

 

[kidshop]

Radar online is reporting Haley has been cleared of the break-in at Jon's apartment. He staged the whole thing.

Has Jon been charged with anything?

About the child labor bill, I hope the on set 'teacher' is required to be a non-invested third party....you know, not a family member or employed by TLC or anyone who earns money/benefits if the kids work. I don't know who would provide that person, or how they are checked out.

Is it 15% of earnings per child? I should be!! I hope they change that wording to provide per individual child.

 

[Promomx2]

If they have to a have a teacher/advocate with the kids at taping, I feel sorry for whomever is picked to do that job with Kate.

 

[walden]

About the child labor bill, I hope the on set 'teacher' is required to be a non-invested third party....you know, not a family member or employed by TLC or anyone who earns money/benefits if the kids work. I don't know who would provide that person, or how they are checked out.

Is it 15% of earnings per child? I should be!! I hope they change that wording to provide per individual child.

With the *on set* teacher, oh yes, it does need to be someone non-invested. I'm just rejoicing in the fact that the G kids might have someone other than a parent to keep an eye on their welfare, but I'm the first to say that the new legislation is far from perfect.

The proposed legislation is just better than it was.

It is most definitely not perfect.

On the 15%. I'm not a math wiz, but 15% X 8 = more than 100%.

I'd actually be almost happy if Kate snarfed up 50% for her own needs, and just divided the remaining 50% for the ongoing maintainanceof the kids, plus 15% of that 50% in a non-revokable trust. For the children.

OMG, chump change for the kids, but the G parents (both of them) seem to want an immediate payoff from their *marketable* children, because they cannot seem to support them via normal, non-TV related, jobs.

How sad is that?

 

[mhsjax]

Radar online is reporting Haley has been cleared of the break-in at Jon's apartment. He staged the whole thing.

Has Jon been charged with this?. Do you know this for sure?

 

[momrek06]

Radar online is reporting Haley has been cleared of the break-in at Jon's apartment. He staged the whole thing.

Disturbing.

 

[madge]

Has Jon been charged with this?. Do you know this for sure?

according to the story at RadarOnline, there is text message evidence that clears Hailey. As far as implicating Jon, I'm not so sure it's quite as clear what his role is.

Is he desperate and dumb enough to try? probably. maybe. remains to be seen. I guess.

I'm not surprised it's come to this, though .. nor will I be surprised if it was staged.

 

[OhMari]

I see what you're saying ... but I'm not sure I agree it's the same thing. At least with child actors, there are rights/laws/guidelines or whatever the child labor laws cover. They have protection.

But pushy stage parents, be it on TV, movies, pageants, etc. are, to some extent, using their children for financial gain. And we've seen many times the effect that it has on the parent/child relationship -- how many kids in the entertainment business have disassociated themselves from their parents, for whatever reason? I have no doubt there are many who have lasting, good relationships, but as with anything .. we never hear about them.

Where reality TV blurs that line, to me, is when they invite the cameras into the lives of the children. Those kids aren't acting. Their world is on display.

Your right too. The child actress I see going nuts, is Miley Cyrus. She has already said she doesn't want to sing any longer, just act. This is her last year with Disney, and I really hope she doesn't go Brittany Spears. I've seen Miley interviewed with her dad a few times, and she was portraying the embarassed teenager thing, but hopefully she will turn out okay.

Oh, ugh. Has anyone seen the clip from Kate + 8 on the airboat with the alligator? The girl tup who loves alligators is in HEAVEN while Kate is doing her ridiculous screaming and shrieking and scaring the rest of the kids. Then the clip flashed to Kate on the couch laughing about how she thought the alligator was going to leap out of the water and have HER head.

I had been softening toward Kate over the past months (of only watching her make a fool of herself on DWTS.) This clip helped me remember why I can't stand the woman! Why would they even TAKE and airboat ride if not specifically to see alligators in the wild? Sheesh! Share in Alexis's (or whichever loves them) excitement and make it one of the greatest moments of her life! Don't make it all about yourself! If I'm going to have an irrational fear that an animal is going to attack, I'm going to worry about my KIDS, not that it's going to leap at my own head! Oh, Kate...

I wonder if they went to Boogie Creek Airboat rides. The Roloff's went around the same time we did, when we went, we saw 1 huge alligator out in the lake. The Roloffs saw a large one out in the lake. It looks like the Gosselins saw one by it's nest hatching their eggs. As for Kate, they probably have to now give her more airtime, because of the limitations on the kids for air time.

If they have to a have a teacher/advocate with the kids at taping, I feel sorry for whomever is picked to do that job with Kate.

Maybe this will be a blessing. Can you imagine sitting down everynite and reading 8 times with each of the kids, plus doing the math factors. I know the tups are just going to Kindegarten next year, but they will be starting to need one on one time doing the homework.

 

[kidshop]

With the *on set* teacher, oh yes, it does need to be someone non-invested. I'm just rejoicing in the fact that the G kids might have someone other than a parent to keep an eye on their welfare, but I'm the first to say that the new legislation is far from perfect.

The proposed legislation is just better than it was.

It is most definitely not perfect.

On the 15%. I'm not a math wiz, but 15% X 8 = more than 100%.

I'd actually be almost happy if Kate snarfed up 50% for her own needs, and just divided the remaining 50% for the ongoing maintainanceof the kids, plus 15% of that 50% in a non-revokable trust. For the children.

OMG, chump change for the kids, but the G parents (both of them) seem to want an immediate payoff from their *marketable* children, because they cannot seem to support them via normal, non-TV related, jobs.

How sad is that?

heh heh, I guess 15% each wouldn't work. Maybe TLC could just pay them by the each. They are undoubtedly the earners.

An on set advocate would be an answer to many prayers. I just don't know why anyone wouldn't want that, especially the parent of the working kids.