Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[DMRick]

Did you film them for the world's enjoyment and to earn a living?

I do like Mady, I can't help it. I have one like her, I don't tolerate disrespect but some kids are wired differently. My other 2 are sooo easy-going. I think Mady may end up the least scarred, b/c she can speak up for herself.

No, I didn't..although I did show our tapes to boyfriends and when one of our kids graduated, at a party we had.

I'm glad to see you write this. I was begining to think only perfect parents with perfect kids wrote on this thread.

 

[mhsjax]

And you know this how?

Well, I'm sure, if Kate and all the other women who are divorced, just showed some gratitude, they would still be married. Even if we don't know all the ins and outs of why they aren't married any longer. I sure can't tell who is more to blame, since I only saw an edited show. But I am sure you guys know, because you know everything about what goes on behind closed doors in that house, and always have.

I know it the same way you know what you know. You don't know what goes on behind closed doors either. But if her attitude is that bad being filmed, I can't imagine what she is like when not being filmed or behind closed doors.

I have said on numerous occasions that I think they both are to blame, but you seem to think that Kate has no responsibility in this what so ever, I just have a problem with anyone that finds excuses for her behavior.

Jon is not perfect, and way less perfect after he left Kate. But part of me still thinks that if Kate had been nicer to him, then maybe things would have been different. As the old saying goes, you catch more fly's with honey than with vinegar. Although Kate reminds me more of a Venus Fly Trap, she ate him alive. IMHO

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I know it the same way you know what you know. You don't know what goes on behind closed doors either. But if her attitude is that bad being filmed, I can't imagine what she is like when not being filmed or behind closed doors.

I have said on numerous occasions that I think they both are to blame, but you seem to think that Kate has no responsibility in this what so ever, I just have a problem with anyone that finds excuses for her behavior.

Jon is not perfect, and way less perfect after he left Kate. But part of me still thinks that if Kate had been nicer to him, then maybe things would have been different. As the old saying goes, you catch more fly's with honey than with vinegar. Although Kate reminds me more of a Venus Fly Trap, she ate him alive. IMHO

Just wanted to chime in...do you all recall the story about J&K+8 and how they fought so much that they had trouble finding enough *neutral* material to show? If that's true, then what we saw on the edited show is only the tip of the iceberg. I can only imagine how horrendous it was behind the scenes. And of course there's the original crew who left apparently due to J&K's fighting and now work with the Duggars.

Also, Kate has said (on LKL I believe) that she has no problem with what's been shown. And she said that she and Jon had control over what was shown regarding the kids. Yet we saw much more than we should've with potty episodes, constipation episodes, temper tantrums (both child and adult) JMHO but I don't think Kate sees how she may have contributed to the downfall of her marriage. Sure Jon was to blame as well and he certainly hasn't impressed me since the split. But Kate seems confused. Maybe she should watch the Toys R Us episode, or the coupon one again. If that were me, I'd cringe and wonder if my behavior drove my DH away. Again, Jon had his faults too, he was more critical under his breath. But it makes me wonder if it was in reaction to Kate's treatment of him. I can say that when DH makes me irritated, I've definitely snipped back at him in response. Maybe that's what we saw on the show?

Doris, you know I think you're fabulous. Even when we disagree! It looks like you're fighting a losing battle though. I know you are loathe judge Kate, lest you be judged. I get that part. But it's hard not to judge someone who seems to crave it almost. Someone who was perpetuating a happy family on tv (to keep the show going) but in reality was in shambles. She's everywhere and unashamedly (dare I say brazenly) putting herself and her kids out for the world to see. Her target audience (mothers) are the ones hardest on her I think. And her lack of discernment where her kids are concerned is alarming to me. I'll be waiting for Mady's book too Doris and then you and I can chat about it here on the dis! I have a feeling Mady will have lots to share about her life as a Gosselin.

 

[Dee77]

And you know this how?

Well, I'm sure, if Kate and all the other women who are divorced, just showed some gratitude, they would still be married. Even if we don't know all the ins and outs of why they aren't married any longer. I sure can't tell who is more to blame, since I only saw an edited show. But I am sure you guys know, because you know everything about what goes on behind closed doors in that house, and always have.

You saw the same footage as the rest of us with the edited shows and yet you can't say one way or the other who is more to blame? Even though you write numerous posts, on a daily basis, that are pro-Kate??? You saw what you wanted to and there are many of us who saw things differently, and I agree that their behavior on camera is a strong indicator of how all of them handle themselves behind closed doors. The kids have meltdowns as all children do but if (when filming) there was something more positive to be shown, I as a mother would make sure it was seen. If we follow your logic that we don't actually know if they meltdown everyday, all day long, then it is obvious that their Mom, is not really being those children's biggest advocate is she??? Otherwise she would make it a point to exclude the less than flattering footage. She comes across like she relishes in the drama that her kids go through and she clearly has no problem with their most vulnerable times being splashed all over national TV.

 

[C.Ann]

It really saddened me to learn that Kate is once again selling her children in order to maintain the kind of lifestyle she has become accustomed to - and has trained those poor little ones to expect everything in life handed to them on a silver platter.. (Actually in one of her interviews quite some time ago she stated that her children "deserved" to have everything handed to them on a silver platter..

I was so hoping that something else would work out for her - anything at all where the children wouldn't have to be involved with filming and working - when in all reality they should be enjoying what precious little childhood they have left in peace and privacy..

Will this show be on every week - or only occasionally? I'd like to make a note of when the episodes are going to air so that I can be certain to change the channel before they come on.. I just can't sit still and watch those kids come any more unglued than they already are.. I was so hoping that the train wreck that has become their lives was over once and for all, but evidently it's not.. As long as there is money to be had - and viewers to watch - it will go on and on - regardless of how harmful it is to the kids..

I think Kate might have had a shot at being a success in some other area if she just hadn't gone out of her way to make herself so unlikeable.. The whining and complaining got on peoples nerves (not to mention the lies and the constant contradictions) - even for those who used to like and admire her - and that was the beginning of her downward spiral.. I guess in her mind she really had no choice but to fall back on the only commodity she has - the sale of her children..

I guess there will be no "happily ever after" for this particular family..

 

[madge]

I can't speak for the people who believe that (is there really someone who would believe that she couldn't afford it, versus it's a taping opportunity?),

Here? On this board? No way. Not a chance.

but there ARE people out there who think Kate needs to work, because she can't afford to raise her children if she doesn't.

but I never thought she couldn't pay for the trip, but I did think it was opportunities for them to have vacations, that they prob wouldn't take otherwise.

I'm sure they wouldn't take a vacation without TLC. Why would they? Help with the children, all expenses paid, etc. I wouldn't travel any other way, either. But Kate tells it as a tale of woe. Poor me, I have to work, because I need money to pay the bills that are in my purse right now. Poor me, if it weren't for the show, we'd never have these experiences.

The Gosselin children might have missed Discovery Cove less than a month after Disneyland if their parents hadn't put them back to work. somehow, I think they might have survived.

again, to use the excuse that the kids wouldn't get to experience something if it weren't for the show is ridiculous. especially since they're the ones working for the experience.

 

[DMRick]

I have said on numerous occasions that I think they both are to blame, but you seem to think that Kate has no responsibility in this what so ever, I just have a problem with anyone that finds excuses for her behavior.

Jon is not perfect, and way less perfect after he left Kate. But part of me still thinks that if Kate had been nicer to him, then maybe things would have been different. As the old saying goes, you catch more fly's with honey than with vinegar. Although Kate reminds me more of a Venus Fly Trap, she ate him alive. IMHO

That's not true, I have never said that Kate has no reponsibility. However, I don't think it was just her, no matter what we saw. I think it was both of them, and both of them had a lack of respect for each other. I have always said even without the show I thought they would not make it as a couple.

 

[mhsjax]

Thank you for reminding me of that, she did say that her kids deserved to be handed everything on a silver platter.

We all want the best for our kids, but the difference is that most of us want our kids to learn how to work hard for the best and not for it to be handed to them.

I know too many people with very large families and they don't live in huge houses and go on tons of vacations. I guess they don't deserve it. Just Kates kids do.

the point that I want to make is that no I am not jealous, and great for her kids if they get to see all of this stuff. But to say that they deserve it is wrong, and they don't "need" all of this stuff. I can't belive that she said they need a b-day party, No they don't, sure it is very nice, but they won't die if they don't have a party. And if they do have one, what happened to a few games or swimming and cake and ice cream at their house?

 

[mhsjax]

That's not true, I have never said that Kate has no reponsibility. However, I don't think it was just her, no matter what we saw. I think it was both of them, and both of them had a lack of respect for each other. I have always said even without the show I thought they would not make it as a couple.

Then my apologies, but it seems to me that with what you post, that Kate has done nothing wrong. And IMHO, they both did things wrong, I just can't stand a woman with Kates attitude, to put it out there for everyone to see is just something that I can't understand, unless you are a true narcissist.

 

[DMRick]

Just wanted to chime in...do you all recall the story about J&K+8 and how they fought so much that they had trouble finding enough *neutral* material to show? If that's true, then what we saw on the edited show is only the tip of the iceberg. I can only imagine how horrendous it was behind the scenes. And of course there's the original crew who left apparently due to J&K's fighting and now work with the Duggars.

I guess it wasn't here that I read that some of the original crew are back at K & J's. I don't know if it's true, but I did read it.

Also, Kate has said (on LKL I believe) that she has no problem with what's been shown. And she said that she and Jon had control over what was shown regarding the kids. Yet we saw much more than we should've with potty episodes, constipation episodes, temper tantrums (both child and adult)

And I agree with you, except I don't think either of them have a problem with what was shown. It is something I hope will change with this show. If it doesn't, then, as I have said, I will not watch it.

JMHO but I don't think Kate sees how she may have contributed to the downfall of her marriage. Sure Jon was to blame as well and he certainly hasn't impressed me since the split. But Kate seems confused. Maybe she should watch the Toys R Us episode, or the coupon one again. If that were me, I'd cringe and wonder if my behavior drove my DH away. Again, Jon had his faults too, he was more critical under his breath. But it makes me wonder if it was in reaction to Kate's treatment of him.

And that goes both ways. Some have said that Jon behaved as a 9th child. Is that why Kate treated him as such? I just don't know. Hence, I think they are both at fault. But no matter who is at fault, I don't feel she should have shown gratitude, in hopes he would stay. There would have to be something to be grateful for, and perhaps she wasn't.

I can say that when DH makes me irritated, I've definitely snipped back at him in response. Maybe that's what we saw on the show?

Maybe..that's what I have felt. Personally, I think the people most at fault are TLC. I think Kate and Jon just weren't the swiftest people, too trusting, and TLC took advantage of it.

Doris, you know I think you're fabulous. Even when we disagree! It looks like you're fighting a losing battle though.

I like you too, and I like how you 'discuss' with your head. Because you have posted as you have, you have made me see some things differently (nope, not everything LOL) however, there are a couple of totally different boards out there, with a lot of people posting, who wouldn't agree about the losing battle. Yes, on this board, people just seem to know just what we didn't see, but other's see it different, and seem to see different sides, without the intense dislike. And more people who feel like I do, that Kate isn't a witch, a horrible mother, wasn't the sole cause of her marriage breakup, have left this board, because they got tired of it..but they are still out there and still posting.

 

[Dee77]

That's not true, I have never said that Kate has no reponsibility. However, I don't think it was just her, no matter what we saw. I think it was both of them, and both of them had a lack of respect for each other. I have always said even without the show I thought they would not make it as a couple.

You're right, they would not have made it as a couple even without the show. I believe this to be true because the interpersonal dynamics they had going on were so dysfunctional and toxic, the show only offered them more possessions to fight over in the divorce.

 

[DMRick]

Then my apologies, but it seems to me that with what you post, that Kate has done nothing wrong. And IMHO, they both did things wrong, I just can't stand a woman with Kates attitude, to put it out there for everyone to see is just something that I can't understand, unless you are a true narcissist.

I have never said that. I have always said they both did things that were wrong. However, the hate doesn't seem to come down on Jon's head, no matter what he does. Remember, if it wasn't for him, there would not be a Kate + 8.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I guess it wasn't here that I read that some of the original crew are back at K & J's. I don't know if it's true, but I did read it.

And I agree with you, except I don't think either of them have a problem with what was shown. It is something I hope will change with this show. If it doesn't, then, as I have said, I will not watch it.

And that goes both ways. Some have said that Jon behaved as a 9th child. Is that why Kate treated him as such? I just don't know. Hence, I think they are both at fault. But no matter who is at fault, I don't feel she should have shown gratitude, in hopes he would stay. There would have to be something to be grateful for, and perhaps she wasn't.

Maybe..that's what I have felt. Personally, I think the people most at fault are TLC. I think Kate and Jon just weren't the swiftest people, too trusting, and TLC took advantage of it.

I like you too, and I like how you 'discuss' with your head. Because you have posted as you have, you have made me see some things differently (nope, not everything LOL) however, there are a couple of totally different boards out there, with a lot of people posting, who wouldn't agree about the losing battle. Yes, on this board, people just seem to know just what we didn't see, but other's see it different, and seem to see different sides, without the intense dislike. And more people who feel like I do, that Kate isn't a witch, a horrible mother, wasn't the sole cause of her marriage breakup, have left this board, because they got tired of it..but they are still out there and still posting.

I did mean on this board as far as your losing battle. I don't read other boards, this one is enough for me!

Doris, I feel the same way about your discussions too. There have been times where I've seen something differently due to your post. That's what makes this board enjoyable and why we've all been here for over a year!

Totally OT here, but the cutest movie is on the Hallmark Channel right now. It's called Flower Girl. I'm a sucker for feel good movies.

 

[walden]

I do like Mady, I can't help it. I have one like her, I don't tolerate disrespect but some kids are wired differently. My other 2 are sooo easy-going. I think Mady may end up the least scarred, b/c she can speak up for herself.

I like Mady too. She is difficult and wired differently, but very lovable. I also think she is quite incredibly resiliant. Is she acting out for attention? Is she mini-Kate? I don't know. She has been the focus of so much negative press. Terrible press. She has been labeled a brat. Could she be better behaved with more attentive parenting? Perhaps.

The twins have had a lot to deal with. Most older kids have to deal with the advent of a younger sibling, but 6 at once? Family crisis! The invasion of volunteers to help with the 6? And then the cameras? And the divorce? And the over-the-top attention to the tups while the twins are just background.

Can we think about Cara for a moment here. I really worry about her, more than I do about Mady. Mady will yell to the roof tops to get her needs met.

Cara? Has she had a dramatic melt down. Perhaps I missed it. I'd love to hear that she had her very own tantrum, because tantrums appear the norm in the Gosselin family.

Cara appears such a sweet loving little girl but seems lost in the mix. Her foot hurt for several days, but it took Mady drawing attention to it before Kate sent her to the doctor with a baby sitter.

Poor Cara. We don't even often mention her here because she is so well behaved. Is she happy? Sometimes her face looks so sad.

 

[DMRick]

I did mean on this board as far as your losing battle. I don't read other boards, this one is enough for me!

You could very well be right. Soon, all that might be left on this board is the hate of Kate. All the posts can then feed off of each other, which is what a couple of hate sites do. I wonder at what point the older kids will google themselves and read some of this stuff. Will they hate their parents or will they learn to hate the posters? I wonder.
I can see not being happy with some of her choices, but I'd rather hate the sin (her choices), and love the sinner. I guess I still don't get it..why not just not watch the show, don't post about it and let it die. Of course if, as I've said countless times, it will only die if you (general) are right, and there aren't people who still like the show. TLC would be crazy to drop her now, with all the controversy around her (good or bad), I would bet that the sponsors are lining up to be part of the show. I've never seen anything like this, with internet sites galore, just to talk about one women.

 

[madge]

there's balanced discussion, and then there's the over the top blind devotion to a particular argument (for or against). I don't see the point in getting wrapped up in the devotion aspect of the story, it's not like we know these people or will change their attitudes or behaviors.

I much prefer a balanced discussion, rooted in facts. LOL

 

[madge]

evidently, arrangements were made legally at some point for Jon & Kate Plus 8 to return to TLC. A couple of reruns will be shown in advance of the Kate + 8 show on June 6. that may have been mentioned in one of those legal-y posts here and I missed it, LOL

 

[3prettyprincesses]

evidently, arrangements were made legally at some point for Jon & Kate Plus 8 to return to TLC. A couple of reruns will be shown in advance of the Kate + 8 show on June 6. that may have been mentioned in one of those legal-y posts here and I missed it, LOL

I hadn't heard that yet. Interesting. I wonder how in the heck that was worked out? Have they been showing reruns already? Do J&K get paid for the reruns?

 

[C.Ann]

evidently, arrangements were made legally at some point for Jon & Kate Plus 8 to return to TLC. A couple of reruns will be shown in advance of the Kate + 8 show on June 6. that may have been mentioned in one of those legal-y posts here and I missed it, LOL

I haven't posted on this thread - or even read it, for that matter - in a long, long time so I had no idea of what the scheduling of the new show was going to be.. I was just so sad and disappointed to hear that the kids were going to be working again I thought I would pop in to see if anyone could tell me if it's going to be weekly or only once in awhile..

I sure wish that something else had worked out for Kate - minus the kids..

 

[DMRick]

I much prefer a balanced discussion, rooted in facts. LOL

If we only talked about facts, this thread would quickly die, since we have so few LOL.