Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[mhsjax]

That must be really fun for the kids to be filmed the entire time while on vacation. If their mother wasn't so full of herself she would take them on a normal vacation where they could relax and have fun without the cameras. Oh wait, then she would have to fork over some money for that and that means one less pedicure or spa treatment for Mommy Dearest!

I am betting that all those cameras are causing some of the melt downs. They probably have to do stuff for filming that they don't want to, or do it over and over again, because it didn't take right. That isn't vacation, that is work.

 

[whitneyNC]

The pics are terrible. The article is ridiculous. The cover mouths are so weird looking. Can't they just smile? Why all of the photoshopping? I like how Kate says they missed the pay check with out the filming; she thinks the paps would stick around if they laid low? She recruits the attention. Why does she talk about the tups like they are toddlers? So sad that one of them missed Discovery Cove because she was sick and had to stay with a "friend?" That would be a nanny. Sick kids want their parents. Is Mady still blurting out rude things and pitching fits? She'll be 10 in the fall. Poor kids.

 

[DMRick]

In that clip, I saw one of the kids yell about I think his shoe, and Maddy not liking the wetsuit (I assume they are still wet and smelly, like when we had to wear them..yucky). Those are meltdowns LOL? All I can say, if you guys haven't had any of that happen when you bring your kids to DW or other parks, your kids are sure better than mine and my grands. Our kids and grands were not used to the long, hot days, and we had our share of time outs, and bad temper flare-ups on every trip. Are we the only ones?

When my grandson was in second grade, I thought he had a horrible vacation..I know we did, with all his acting out (he was way over tired). Then he wrote a simple story about his vacation with a picture of us on the plane for school (which I still have hanging here in my office, even though it's been 10 years). I wondered if we had been on the same vacation..most of his was spent in time-out. To hear him talk about that trip for the next few years (until we went again, and it was a much better trip) I wondered if we had been on the same vacation. He certainly remembered it differently than our tapes show LOL. He had a great time.

I would think/hope they didn't tape them during the entire vacation..that they had some time without the cameras. If they did tape them during the entire vacation, they should have gotton 3-4 shows out of one vacation.

 

[madge]

OMG, I just finished watching the clip of Kate and kids at Discovery Cove. I can't believe that those kids are still having those melt downs. They are way too old for this.

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And since when do 6 year olds require naps. Sure sometimes they fall asleep, but "nap time". That is unreal to me. What do they do in school.

to be fair (about the meltdowns) ... I'm sure that they kids were out of sorts from traveling. no idea if they'd been to WDW first, or if they filmed for the show and then went there. It is possible that they'd be tired.

With that said ... I'm with you, those kids are still taking naps? really?

I just laugh at the premise now. Kate "knows" what she wants to do for their birthday ... well, she knows because that's what TLC has told her. AND. It seems strange to me that Kate has to work so hard to provide for the kids, yet she's taking them on a very expensive trip for their birthday? Not exactly fiscally responsible, IMO. It's probably the most irritating concept of Kate's life. She "has" to work to provide for the children, she's like other working moms, etc. we've all hear it. that's what Kate has said over and over. If we are to truly buy into the idea that Kate has to work, then why isn't she living like someone who has to work, because their finances depend on it?

Now I know that the easy answer in this case is that it's staged for the show. But you can't say it's staged, though, because then it's not reality. hmmm.

 

[Dee77]

She didn't have any help? She was the only one there to "chaperone" the trip to Discovery Cove? Really- then why in the people magazine article did it say that Alexis woke up with a bad stomachache and stayed behind at the hotel with a friend. Sounds like she had "help" to me!!

I also agree that scheduled daily naps for 6 year olds seems ridiculous.

It has been debated on this thread why people "hate" Kate so much. For me, I dislike her for her rationalizing having the kids on TV, constantly making it seem like she did everything to raise those kids meanwhile she had a lot of help for YEARS and of course her new attitude that she is entitled to do whatever she wants to make money because she is a single Mom, well that is your own fault. If she treated her husband with an ounce of respect and showed him any gratitude, he would still be there in tow for all of these excursions.

 

[mhsjax]

In that clip, I saw one of the kids yell about I think his shoe, and Maddy not liking the wetsuit (I assume they are still wet and smelly, like when we had to wear them..yucky). Those are meltdowns LOL? All I can say, if you guys haven't had any of that happen when you bring your kids to DW or other parks, your kids are sure better than mine and my grands. Our kids and grands were not used to the long, hot days, and we had our share of time outs, and bad temper flare-ups on every trip. Are we the only ones?

When my grandson was in second grade, I thought he had a horrible vacation..I know we did, with all his acting out (he was way over tired). Then he wrote a simple story about his vacation with a picture of us on the plane for school (which I still have hanging here in my office, even though it's been 10 years). I wondered if we had been on the same vacation..most of his was spent in time-out. To hear him talk about that trip for the next few years (until we went again, and it was a much better trip) I wondered if we had been on the same vacation. He certainly remembered it differently than our tapes show LOL. He had a great time.

I would think/hope they didn't tape them during the entire vacation..that they had some time without the cameras. If they did tape them during the entire vacation, they should have gotton 3-4 shows out of one vacation.

Well my kids all made it through Discovery Cove with wet suits without melting down and they were younger than Kate's. Also I do have to admit, this is one rea where I don't put up with any of it. My kids (I can honestly say) have NEVER had even a slight temper tamtrum at WDW, They know better, I would never put up with it. In fact my kids watch Kate's kids and tell me wow mom, you wouldn't put up with that behavior would you? Then they say, good thing they are Kates' and not ours. They can't stand melt downs either.

 

[mhsjax]

She didn't have any help? She was the only one there to "chaperone" the trip to Discovery Cove? Really- then why in the people magazine article did it say that Alexis woke up with a bad stomachache and stayed behind at the hotel with a friend. Sounds like she had "help" to me!!

I also agree that scheduled daily naps for 6 year olds seems ridiculous.

It has been debated on this thread why people "hate" Kate so much. For me, I dislike her for her rationalizing having the kids on TV, constantly making it seem like she did everything to raise those kids meanwhile she had a lot of help for YEARS and of course her new attitude that she is entitled to do whatever she wants to make money because she is a single Mom, well that is your own fault. If she treated her husband with an ounce of respect and showed him any gratitude, he would still be there in tow for all of these excursions.

I can say that the reason really really really dislike Kate,(trying not to use the word hate) is because she lies. Like you said, Alexis stayed at the hotel with a friend, I saw the body guard at the airport, I think that means not alone, at least in my book.

Also, if her kids only had meltdowns during long trips I would be more prone to understanding, but these kids seem to have written the book on meltdowns.

Sorry but those types of behavior are my pet peeve. I know I should just shut up about it, I just can't help myself. lol

Oh and I think she states that the kids "have to have a birthday or party or somthing like that, well no they don't, we have had to cut back and my kids do without, not saying that hers have to, but they won't die without an elaborate b-day, she uses them as an excuse to do all of these things. If she had to pay for it, they wouldn't go, that is why she was so glad that filming started again.

 

[DMRick]

AND. It seems strange to me that Kate has to work so hard to provide for the kids, yet she's taking them on a very expensive trip for their birthday? Not exactly fiscally responsible, IMO. .

Do you think she paid for the trip? I didn't. I assumed (although I could be wrong) that TLC paid for the trip. A trip for the show might have afforded her a way to take the kids and not spend money from their savings.

I would find it hard to believe she didn't have help for the entire vacation. Maybe because her friend stayed behind with the sick child, she didn't have help at Discovery? Did she say she didn't have any help for the entire vacation? Although I've seen Steve pitch in. I don't know if he did here or if he had to concentrate on keeping people away from them, both fans and those who don't like her.

Dee said:

If she treated her husband with an ounce of respect and showed him any gratitude, he would still be there in tow for all of these excursions.

Wow, really? You think if she had just been respectful and showed him gratitude, he would still be there for the excursions? He had no part in the break up eh, it was just her? You know this how? So, I assume no one here is divorced? If so, just read above, and that's how you could have kept your marriage together

 

[mhsjax]

Do you think she paid for the trip? I didn't. I assumed (although I could be wrong) that TLC paid for the trip. A trip for the show might have afforded her a way to take the kids and not spend money from their savings.

I would find it hard to believe she didn't have help for the entire vacation. Maybe because her friend stayed behind with the sick child, she didn't have help at Discovery? Did she say she didn't have any help for the entire vacation? Although I've seen Steve pitch in. I don't know if he did here or if he had to concentrate on keeping people away from them, both fans and those who don't like her.

Dee said:


Wow, really? You think if she had just been respectful and showed him gratitude, he would still be there for the excursions? He had no part in the break up eh, it was just her? You know this how? So, I assume no one here is divorced? If so, just read above, and that's how you could have kept your marriage together

I actually agree with the gratitude and respectful thing. This is no way ANy man would put up with the way Kate treated Jon. Sure he may have left anyway, but there was more of a chance of him staying if he was nicer.

I actually saw an old show the other day, she was making fun of his size, he then teased her about trying o something the day before and evidently it was a larger than normal size and she got mad. Jon said oh its ok for you to say something about my weight, she say yes, because I was only teasing, you were serious. Well he wasn't nasty about it, he just dared to say something negative to Kate.

 

[DMRick]

They know better, I would never put up with it. In fact my kids watch Kate's kids and tell me wow mom, you wouldn't put up with that behavior would you? Then they say, good thing they are Kates' and not ours. They can't stand melt downs either.

Well, as I've said before, I must have been a lousy mother. I let my kids and grands get overtired, and that's when the meltdowns happen. I'm not sure how I would have stopped it, since when they are tired they are tired. We sometimes brought them back to the room for mid afternoon naps, or perhaps a swim (although not always..depended on the day..some days they just had to deal with it). Nope, my kids and my grands were not perfect, they had bad days and meltdowns. Kate has 8 kids, I would expect a meltdown or two a day. But then some people have kids that would never think of acting out..and some do.
Some how my kids all survived adulthood, college, marriage, and are living very functional, full and happy lifes in spite of having meltdowns as children. We did a lot of family vacations in spite of them.

 

[Dee77]

OK I just watched the preview clip again and here's what I cannot figure out for the life of me. She wants/needs money to survive and raise all 8 kids basically by herself, as she has stated in numerous interviews. Then why doesn't she show more enthusiasm for her "work". She sat in the voiceover, descriptive portion and in a very flat tone said "it doesn't matter what Jon and I are doing, or what we've chosen, they still have to have a birthday party." She said it like she was going over a list of chores that still had to be done. Actually she showed more energy in saying that she thought she was setting up for "disaster" like that is more interesting to the viewers than being excited that they are having a special birthday celebration. After last year's debacle I would think she would be happy that there was something special to do with the tups!

It's sad that TLC and Kate all agree that the best light to preview the new show is to emphasize the negative aspects of their latest filming rather than show fun energetic children at a cool destination for others to learn about. It sure is a different angle then when the show began and people wanted to know how she managed, kept organized and structure in a very busy household.

 

[DMRick]

I actually agree with the gratitude and respectful thing. This is no way ANy man would put up with the way Kate treated Jon. Sure he may have left anyway, but there was more of a chance of him staying if he was nicer.

And I wouldn't have put up with a man who lost four jobs in 7 years, said he was glad he went to work, and didn't have to be with his kids during the day. Or soemone who agreed to be with his kids after losing the last job, and then whined about how he was stuck at home. Who knows how either of them were to each other, when the cameras weren't rolling, but for sure, I won't be showing gratitude to someone just to keep him in my home. Love works here...and respect is a two way street. Neither of them were very respectful people to each other. Then the top off was when he complained he had lost his 20's. No, I think that marriage was way gone, even before she didn't show him gratitude LOL.

 

[DMRick]

She sat in the voiceover, descriptive portion and in a very flat tone said "it doesn't matter what Jon and I are doing, or what we've chosen, they still have to have a birthday party." She said it like she was going over a list of chores that still had to be done.

Which is why, imo I don't think Kate will ever have her own talk show. She doesn't read those intro's well..never has. She has a flat voice, except when they catch her without rehearsing or reading from a 'script', and then there can be a lilt in her voice. No one can ever accuse her of being an accomplished actress.

 

[themilesfamily]

I have a funny J&K+8 story.

My DD, age 5 had a couple of friends over and were playing in the playroom. I was downstairs on the computer, (probably on the DISboards.) All of a sudden I hear screaming, crying, yelling -- just total pandemonium. I went flying up the stairs thinking something catastrophic had happened to the girls.

I got as far as the living room and realized the TV was on TLC and it was just an episode of J&K +8. It was those kids!!!

ETA: I watched a little bit of Kate on Dancing w/the Stars. When she got into that situation with her trainer, where he said he was leaving -- that whole dynamic was like watching her with Jon all over again. It was the same pattern, same dynamic. I wonder if she would be that way in a relationship with any man.

 

[mhsjax]

And I wouldn't have put up with a man who lost four jobs in 7 years, said he was glad he went to work, and didn't have to be with his kids during the day. Or soemone who agreed to be with his kids after losing the last job, and then whined about how he was stuck at home. Who knows how either of them were to each other, when the cameras weren't rolling, but for sure, I won't be showing gratitude to someone just to keep him in my home. Love works here...and respect is a two way street. Neither of them were very respectful people to each other. Then the top off was when he complained he had lost his 20's. No, I think that marriage was way gone, even before she didn't show him gratitude LOL.

Well one could argue that Kate was the reason he lost at least one of his jobs.
Who knows, they both are lousy parents and I think lousy people in general.

About the kids and melt downs. I know that you have seen them melt down at home, shoot Mady had a melt down when she came home from school years ago while Kate was decorating and she kicked the balloon out of her way. I am sorry but anyone who makes repeated excuses for her kids, isn't watching the same kids the rest of us are. you can make excuses all you want buy those kids need help, Kate isn't doing her job if she lets them continually melt down like that.

 

[Dee77]

Dee said:


Wow, really? You think if she had just been respectful and showed him gratitude, he would still be there for the excursions? He had no part in the break up eh, it was just her? You know this how? So, I assume no one here is divorced? If so, just read above, and that's how you could have kept your marriage together

So your advice for married people is that it's OK to berate, belittle and be down right nasty for years and years and not expect your partner to get fed up? Maybe I should go back and watch the shows again with 'rose-colored Kate does nothing wrong goggles' on, where can I pick up a pair?

 

[mhsjax]

So your advice for married people is that it's OK to berate, belittle and be down right nasty for years and years and not expect your partner to get fed up? Maybe I should go back and watch the shows again with 'rose-colored Kate does nothing wrong goggles' on, where can I pick up a pair?

That is funny, I like that.

 

[walden]

Honestly, Kate really makes herself so hard to like, and I haven't even seen the latest clips.

I have to post in support of Mady though. That child is quirky but oh so intelligent. She is the bellwether here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellwether

I cannot fault her for desperately naming the problem.

Mady was vilified when on her 6th birthday she kicked balloons after descending from the school bus saying "Are you here?" And then was placed in time-out by Kate. Kate's voiceover stated that Mady and Cara had requested a small celebration. Mady must have requested the absence of cameras because that was a major meltdown for a 6 year old.

Mady put the poster on her (and Cara's) bedroom door requesting no cameras without permission.

Mady pleaded with Kate on behalf of her little brother's gum-poluted lovey when Kate was melting down to the max and threatening to throw it in the trash.

Mady called Kate mean when she said she was thirsty and Kate took a swig of water right in front of her before an interview while denying Mady a sip. On that I agree with Mady.

I've probably missed many other examples, some not so flattering to Mady. She is sassy, kicks, yells and isn't always that nice to her siblings. I'm sure she is jealous of them. Who in her position wouldn't be?

BUT, poor Mady says it like it is. I do not fault that little girl because of her cries for help. Mady is telling us that something is wrong here. She should not be labeled a brat.

 

[cheermom1]

Well one could argue that Kate was the reason he lost at least one of his jobs.
Who knows, they both are lousy parents and I think lousy people in general.

About the kids and melt downs. I know that you have seen them melt down at home, shoot Mady had a melt down when she came home from school years ago while Kate was decorating and she kicked the balloon out of her way. I am sorry but anyone who makes repeated excuses for her kids, isn't watching the same kids the rest of us are. you can make excuses all you want buy those kids need help, Kate isn't doing her job if she lets them continually melt down like that.

Exactly! You are NOT doing your kids any favors by letting them act that way!

They need to know what acceptable behavior is!

 

[Dee77]

Which is why, imo I don't think Kate will ever have her own talk show. She doesn't read those intro's well..never has. She has a flat voice, except when they catch her without rehearsing or reading from a 'script', and then there can be a lilt in her voice. No one can ever accuse her of being an accomplished actress.

By saying this, do you think she writes up her own preview or is the show scripted? It's sad that she can't be more enthusiastic when discussing things about her kids.