Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[madge]

Do you think she paid for the trip? I didn't. I assumed (although I could be wrong) that TLC paid for the trip. A trip for the show might have afforded her a way to take the kids and not spend money from their savings.

of course she didn't pay for the trip ... but, not once, is it mentioned that the trip is part of the show. It never is. The viewer is led to believe that Kate's life happens and oddly enough, there are cameras there to document it. How informed the viewer is depends on the individual person.

and the whole premise that a trip for the show is tired. the Gosselin children's LIVES are for the show. Nearly everything those kids have done since they were born is to net gain for Kate or Jon, and if they benefit from or enjoy it, too? then it's a happy coincidence.

I do not believe for one second that Kate sat with the production crew and asked them to come up with a concept for a show that would take her to Orlando for the kids' birthdays, because she wouldn't have been able to afford it otherwise. And if that was, in fact, what happened .. then own it. Say that they wouldn't be able to take this trip without TLC and how thankful they are for it. Be up front and honest about what's happening, here. The problem with that idea is that it's not very believable, especially since Kate was just paid $500,000 for DWTS and the children went to Disneyland last month. To justify a trip to Discovery Cove because Kate can't afford it or doesn't want to tap into her savings might be tricky and seems, IMO, spoiled and selfish. Many working families will never have the opportunity to visit either of those places, and to say that Kate needed a way to take her kids to Orlando so she could save money, after they just went to DL? Give me a break.

 

[mhsjax]

Honestly, Kate really makes herself so hard to like, and I haven't even seen the latest clips.

I have to post in support of Mady though. That child is quirky but oh so intelligent. She is the bellwether here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellwether

I cannot fault her for desperately naming the problem.

Mady was vilified when on her 6th birthday she kicked balloons after descending from the school bus saying "Are you here?" And then was placed in time-out by Kate. Kate's voiceover stated that Mady and Cara had requested a small celebration. Mady must have requested the absence of cameras because that was a major meltdown for a 6 year old.

Mady put the poster on her (and Cara's) bedroom door requesting no cameras without permission.

Mady pleaded with Kate on behalf of her little brother's gum-poluted lovey when Kate was melting down to the max and threatening to throw it in the trash.

Mady called Kate mean when she said she was thirsty and Kate took a swig of water right in front of her before an interview while denying Mady a sip. On that I agree with Mady.

I've probably missed many other examples, some not so flattering to Mady. She is sassy, kicks, yells and isn't always that nice to her siblings. I'm sure she is jealous of them. Who in her position wouldn't be?

BUT, poor Mady says it like it is. I do not fault that little girl because of her cries for help. Mady is telling us that something is wrong here. She should not be labeled a brat.

Problem is, Mady aqcts like that all the time, even on her time out alone with Jon and Kate she acted like a spoiled brat when Kate brought her bear to the mall. Yes I understand her being embarassed but she was ugly to Kate. I also don't recall kate putting Mady in time out, she said that Mady needs time alone sometimes and she lets her have it. It was not timeout.


when you see her talk and the attention is all on her, she hhas a nasty attitude, she has it with Cara. She is just not a nice child, I call it like a see it and there are kids who are not nice, it isn't acceptable and she should be dealt with.

 

[peyjax]

Maybe I should go back and watch the shows again with 'rose-colored Kate does nothing wrong goggles' on, where can I pick up a pair?

I am sure that DMRICK will be delighted to send you a pair for free!!

 

[Mickey527]

Did anyone notice on that preesie site in the first paragraph where they quote Kate as saying:
"I'm working, they're playing, and everybody is happy"
She was talking about their show, the birthday party at Discovery cove. She still believes that her show with the kids is her working and the kids are just there to play and have fun. I don't think she will ever admit that her children "work" during the show, no matter what the PA labor board or anyone else says about them working.

 

[southernbohemian]

Problem is, Mady aqcts like that all the time, even on her time out alone with Jon and Kate she acted like a spoiled brat when Kate brought her bear to the mall. Yes I understand her being embarassed but she was ugly to Kate. I also don't recall kate putting Mady in time out, she said that Mady needs time alone sometimes and she lets her have it. It was not timeout.


when you see her talk and the attention is all on her, she hhas a nasty attitude, she has it with Cara. She is just not a nice child, I call it like a see it and there are kids who are not nice, it isn't acceptable and she should be dealt with.

Mady is her mom made over. If Kate is still throwing temper tantrums at her age, there is little hope that Mady is going to stop any time soon.

My issue with the older twins was Jon and Kate always acted as if they had to make it up to them that they had to have so many younger siblings. On more than one occasion they were literally apologizing to Cara and Mady for what they had to put up with. What? That's their family. They were fairly young when the sextuplets were born so I don't think they would even remember not having a gigantic family. Kids accept their reality for what it is. The reason Mady throws tantrums when she isn't getting attention is that they have ingrained it into her psyche that she deserves more attention than she is getting - that she is being robbed of it by the younger six. So she acts out to get more attention.

Take for example the crooked house episode. The little boys got a house to share. The little girls got a house to share. The older girls each got their own house. Why? I don't think it matters who was born first - they are each 1 of 8 and should be treated that way. Instead the Gosselins have set up a hierarchy where the older two are for some reason worth more?

 

[DMRick]

Where did I say that? I said I would not stay with someone I didn't love, and it was obvious to me, they were no longer in love. I don't expect anyone to stay with someone, out of gratitiude. Gratitude is no reason to stay married. That went out years ago, when people got brides that were going to jail, and they showed gratitude.

Neither of them were respectful to each other. Did you only see this with your rose-colored Jon did nothing wrong goggles on?

So your advice for married people is that it's OK to berate, belittle and be down right nasty for years and years and not expect your partner to get fed up? Maybe I should go back and watch the shows again with 'rose-colored Kate does nothing wrong goggles' on, where can I pick up a pair?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

of course she didn't pay for the trip ... but, not once, is it mentioned that the trip is part of the show. It never is. The viewer is led to believe that Kate's life happens and oddly enough, there are cameras there to document it. How informed the viewer is depends on the individual person.

and the whole premise that a trip for the show is tired. the Gosselin children's LIVES are for the show. Nearly everything those kids have done since they were born is to net gain for Kate or Jon, and if they benefit from or enjoy it, too? then it's a happy coincidence.

I do not believe for one second that Kate sat with the production crew and asked them to come up with a concept for a show that would take her to Orlando for the kids' birthdays, because she wouldn't have been able to afford it otherwise. And if that was, in fact, what happened .. then own it. Say that they wouldn't be able to take this trip without TLC and how thankful they are for it. Be up front and honest about what's happening, here. The problem with that idea is that it's not very believable, especially since Kate was just paid $500,000 for DWTS and the children went to Disneyland last month. To justify a trip to Discovery Cove because Kate can't afford it or doesn't want to tap into her savings might be tricky and seems, IMO, spoiled and selfish. Many working families will never have the opportunity to visit either of those places, and to say that Kate needed a way to take her kids to Orlando so she could save money, after they just went to DL? Give me a break.

I really agree with this post Madge, particulary the part I bolded above. It sums up this ridiculousness that is the show.

And yes, it is bizarre to hear Kate talk like she can't pay the bills yet jet off to DL, WDW and Discovery Cove? I know many hard working families who are struggling to put even a little aside for a future trip. I'm just sick and tired of Kate's excuse that she's working, the kids are just playing and yet amazingly are able to take this trips. Do we really need to rehash the poor me interviews she did claiming she had a stack of bills to pay but couldn't because of Jon?? Please. She really needs to read our thread, maybe then she'd realize that not all of the public is fooled by her reasons for filming.

 

[DMRick]

So, you think they melt down all the time, not just occasionally? You saw two instances in a clip, of two different kids, and that means it's repeated meltdowns?
So, these kids have so many meltdowns that we know about, that they need help.
God bless those of you who have parenting down to a science. When I had kids they didn't come with instructions, I did the best I could, and they turned out great. Meltdowns and all. I'm not making any excuses..I am saying I think some here are making it sound like each day is filled with 8 kids all having meltdowns.

 

[DMRick]

Well one could argue that Kate was the reason he lost at least one of his jobs..

Which job..the one where he spent time on the computer looking for freebes? We know that was all her, right? Never Jon. Nope.

That's the one where he lied and said they wouldn't continue his insurance, right? And his boss said Jon lied? I'm sure Jon would never have lied about that, and I'm sure he would never have been on the computer without Kate making him.

Boy, those rose colored glasses get used a lot on this board LOL.

 

[DMRick]

By saying this, do you think she writes up her own preview or is the show scripted? It's sad that she can't be more enthusiastic when discussing things about her kids.

I don't know if she wrote it herself, or if they write the voiceovers for her, but when she reads stuff like this, it's always so deadpan.

 

[mhsjax]

So, you think they melt down all the time, not just occasionally? You saw two instances in a clip, of two different kids, and that means it's repeated meltdowns?
So, these kids have so many meltdowns that we know about, that they need help.
God bless those of you who have parenting down to a science. When I had kids they didn't come with instructions, I did the best I could, and they turned out great. Meltdowns and all. I'm not making any excuses..I am saying I think some here are making it sound like each day is filled with 8 kids all having meltdowns.

There is a big difference in a few meltdowns and the way those kids act, expescially Mady, and anyone that makes excuses for it, IMHO is adding to the problem that Mady has.

 

[DMRick]

of course she didn't pay for the trip ... but, not once, is it mentioned that the trip is part of the show. It never is. The viewer is led to believe that Kate's life happens and oddly enough, there are cameras there to document it. How informed the viewer is depends on the individual person.

I can't speak for the people who believe that (is there really someone who would believe that she couldn't afford it, versus it's a taping opportunity?), but I never thought she couldn't pay for the trip, but I did think it was opportunities for them to have vacations, that they prob wouldn't take otherwise. I hope she keeps money in the bank, for when her 15 minutes ends..which IMO will be after this new series. People were already not watching, before the hoopla, and while I think some will start to watch it, I think it might be boring after awhile, and lose the audience again.

I think she and TLC would take heat either way, if they don't say who is paying for it, or if they do. So, if it bothers someone to watch the show, where the kids go to places most kids won't ever see, then don't watch it. That would be what I would do, if it bothered me.

 

[kidshop]

I can say that the reason really really really dislike Kate,(trying not to use the word hate) is because she lies. Like you said, Alexis stayed at the hotel with a friend, I saw the body guard at the airport, I think that means not alone, at least in my book.

Also, if her kids only had meltdowns during long trips I would be more prone to understanding, but these kids seem to have written the book on meltdowns.

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Yep, big huge stinkin' lies that are easily pointed out. Over and over. But I think she believes them.

 

[Dee77]

Where did I say that? I said I would not stay with someone I didn't love, and it was obvious to me, they were no longer in love. I don't expect anyone to stay with someone, out of gratitiude. Gratitude is no reason to stay married. That went out years ago, when people got brides that were going to jail, and they showed gratitude.

Neither of them were respectful to each other. Did you only see this with your rose-colored Jon did nothing wrong goggles on?

Gratitude is not a reason to stay married but it certainly is a key element of successful marriage. If I walk all over my husband and show no appreciation for all that he does, that would get very old, very quick and eventually very lonely.

As far as Jon is concerned, he was pushed over the edge by a controlling wife. In the end he was not respectful but I think that comes with the territory, he was afterall... a defeated man.

 

[DMRick]

Sorry, I keep forgetting there are experts with children on this board, and that some know that this happens daily. Some must talk with the teachers in school and know first hand, that this happens all the time. Mady, as we've all said from the begining is like many a middle child. And most of those do not get 'help'.

There is a big difference in a few meltdowns and the way those kids act, expescially Mady, and anyone that makes excuses for it, IMHO is adding to the problem that Mady has.

 

[DMRick]

Gratitude is not a reason to stay married but it certainly is a key element of successful marriage. If I walk all over my husband and show no appreciation for all that he does, that would get very old, very quick and eventually very lonely.

As far as Jon is concerned, he was pushed over the edge by a controlling wife. In the end he was not respectful but I think that comes with the territory, he was afterall... a defeated man.

Sorry, respect has always been first in my over 40 years of marriage, not gratitude.

Yeah, that's right, Jon was pushed over the edge. We all know he was perfect before his controlling wife pushed him over. Yeah, we know that how again? I keep forgetting. I see that it was so bad, that it might take him a few more years to grow up. He was perfect, that Jon. The things he used to say under his breath in some of the shows, was always because of what Kate said, even though Jon said they tried to show her in a bad way, and that they never showed the resolution. But he was prob afraid of Kate when he said that

Yep, that Jon, he was the perfect husband. Kate never had to worry about him..if she had just been nicer, he would have kept his jobs, never cheated, etc etc.

 

[mhsjax]

Sorry, I keep forgetting there are experts with children on this board, and that some know that this happens daily. Some must talk with the teachers in school and know first hand, that this happens all the time. Mady, as we've all said from the begining is like many a middle child. And most of those do not get 'help'.

My middle child doesn't act like that. But hey middle child lets give her an excuse to act like a spoiled you know what. And the help I am talking about isn't the kind you pay for. It comes from mom acting like a mom. I my kid acted like that I would yank her out of whatever situation she was in.

My kids have their issues, they fight especially the 2 boys, but I never get the attitude that Mady has and I can guarantee you that if I did, it would be the last time. As Dr Phil says, I would rock their world. and not in a good way.

 

[mhsjax]

There is nothing wrong with gratitude in a marriage and it works both ways. Respect and gratitude, my hubby thanks me for all I do and I thank him for all her does.

I do not think Jon is without blame at all, but I think Kate is way more to blame than Jon.

 

[kidshop]

So, you think they melt down all the time, not just occasionally? You saw two instances in a clip, of two different kids, and that means it's repeated meltdowns?
So, these kids have so many meltdowns that we know about, that they need help.
God bless those of you who have parenting down to a science. When I had kids they didn't come with instructions, I did the best I could, and they turned out great. Meltdowns and all. I'm not making any excuses..I am saying I think some here are making it sound like each day is filled with 8 kids all having meltdowns.

Did you film them for the world's enjoyment and to earn a living?

I do like Mady, I can't help it. I have one like her, I don't tolerate disrespect but some kids are wired differently. My other 2 are sooo easy-going. I think Mady may end up the least scarred, b/c she can speak up for herself.

 

[DMRick]

There is nothing wrong with gratitude in a marriage and it works both ways. Respect and gratitude, my hubby thanks me for all I do and I thank him for all her does.

I do not think Jon is without blame at all, but I think Kate is way more to blame than Jon.

And you know this how?

Well, I'm sure, if Kate and all the other women who are divorced, just showed some gratitude, they would still be married. Even if we don't know all the ins and outs of why they aren't married any longer. I sure can't tell who is more to blame, since I only saw an edited show. But I am sure you guys know, because you know everything about what goes on behind closed doors in that house, and always have.