Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[3prettyprincesses]

Here's were she says she wants to be the babysitter:

http://www.insideedition.com/news/4317/exclusive-interview-with-kate-gosselin.aspx

I didn't watch but it's written. (Hmm, tears) Oh, how funny! I jsut read the whole thing. The hearing was in PA, not NY, and did she just say her brother should be home with his kids?! And I think we've established no naked potty training occured at Jodi's house. LIAR!

TLC is paying Jon and the support is coming out of that. She's getting it, and you can tell b/c she never outright says she not and has not filed anything. But she want's people to believe he is not paying and so hems and haws. Kind of like what she did about telling Jon it was over in Oct '08. We don't know how long TLC is paying though.

I'm sure whatever Jon is doing is to benefit himself and not the kids.

I think when she said 'gallivanting to NY' she meant when Kevin & Jodi did the Today Show. Is radaronline in NY? I rolled my eyes when I read that she said he should be home with the kids too. That was a bit much but she's obviously pissed at him.

I didn't realize TLC was still paying Jon? I was under the impression he was under contract with them but thought that since the filming was stopped (by him) that he wasn't getting paid? That's such a weird situation too...Kate is apparently still getting paid and then there was that little part in the lawsuit claiming she was paid extra by TLC if Jon kept his end of the contract? Strange.

I agree, my thought is that Jon is only using the custody issue so that Kate can be the one to pay him instead. I hate that he's using them as a bargaining chip for his own gain (yes I realize I'm speculating but given his past behavior it makes sense). How these poor kids ended up with such 2 idiotic parents is beyond me.

 

[preesi]

Oh, I do recall that Jon let the kids see Kevin & Jodi this past fall. Which makes it all the stranger for Kate to say that they hadn't seen them in 2 years. You'd think the kids would've mentioned to her, hey mom we saw our aunt, uncle and cousins today, right? Makes me think too that she lied then.

Hi, the reason she said ON TV that the kids havent seen them in 2 years is to get the majority of people out there that arent online or havent seen those pictures of Jon with Jodi and Kevin...

Its all damage control, media training, propaganda and lies to get the sympathy of the public onto her side...

Right now Kate is in the fight of her life. DWTS is her last ditch effort to get something in the biz and shes failing badly. Big money is going into paying all these people to say nice things about her. But shes pretty much done. DWTS and this new book and the labor stuff are not looking good for her...

 

[preesi]

TLC is just stringing her along till her contract is out.

They need to keep her and Jon pitted against each other and separate cause if they stopped fighting and sat down and talked they COULD band together to sue TLC/Discovery Communications for millions for DESTROYING their family, Labor violations, filming their kids naked etc.
So TLC keeps Kate delusional so she will think they are on her side so she wont sue them.

Jon and Kate made 2.5 million from the show
TLC made $200 MILLION off J&K
Jon and Kate have an EXCELLENT case to sue TLC, and thats what TLC has to avoid at all costs.

 

[DMRick]

Hi, the reason she said ON TV that the kids havent seen them in 2 years is to get the majority of people out there that arent online or havent seen those pictures of Jon with Jodi and Kevin...

Actually what she said was SHE hasn't allowed them to see her kids in two years. But we know that Jon has. Here is the wording from that interview.

"The truth is, I haven't allowed them to see my kids for two years," said Gosselin."

Its all damage control, media training, propaganda and lies to get the sympathy of the public onto her side...

Right now Kate is in the fight of her life. DWTS is her last ditch effort to get something in the biz and shes failing badly. Big money is going into paying all these people to say nice things about her. But shes pretty much done. DWTS and this new book and the labor stuff are not looking good for her...

Where the heck did that come from..that they are paying people to say nice things about her?

As for being pretty much done, I've heard for two years that she was done. She is tenacious. I think I'll wait and see if she is really pretty much done. It's been said before.
The book is actually doing way better than I would have thought, and she has a new show (which I don't think will make it, but who knows) and if TLC is trying to get rid of her (contract ends in May I think) they show it in a funny way, since Kate + 8 will have specials.

 

[wilderness01]

I remember seeing pictures of Jodi/Kevin/this son and Jon, but where there pictures last fall of Jodi/Kevin and the Gosselin kids?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Here's the radaronline story about Kevin & Jodi at the house with Jon in October. Apparently the kids were playing around in the yard that day and Kate was in LA for a book thing or interview or something along those lines.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/jon-gosselin-reconciles-kates-estranged-brother

 

[DMRick]

This is the picture I remember seeing when the story broke that Jodi and Kevin went to the house in October. I guess I thought they showed them with the kids, but now I really don't know..maybe I just assumed it (that the kids were there):

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/jon-gosselin-reconciles-kates-estranged-brother

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/26718

 

[Dee77]

My husband has been away for quite a while. We do how we can manage. My 3yo today asked where his dad was. Explained it as best I could and got dad promptly on the phone.
Whlie it isn't face to face time--no parent should be judged regardless of their profession to do what they need to do to be the main breadwinner. Child support or not.
It saddens me that Kate is crucified under such actions--and then it is explained away. Could she have a different career? Absolutely, but why is that her burden b/c her husband walked from the marriage and gave up his kids to her primary custody?

But people do this everyday.

It doesn't make her a bad parent for doing that--and in this case--it isn't a justifiable custody argument, considering her ex-husband wished her well and was "on board".

And in many states, unless specifically stipulated and agreed to, Jon would be very hard pressed to not allow a move if it was deemed necessary for Kate's career choice.


As for CA--DWTS is a temporary gig. Unless she lands something based out of LA, there really is no reason for her to move. She already has an agent and the "clout" (I use that term loosely)--to not have to move to CA unless something actually occurs. Those trying to make it will move to CA to make the audition process easier by being a presence, but Kate is past that stage.


***When I say it saddens me that Kate is crucified--I want to be clear that I don't feel sad for KATE...I feel sad for the crucifiction of her employment behavior. If this were Jon, noone would give too flips and it is b/c he is a man. Men never are subject to such scrutiny. Kate gets it b/c she is a woman and she isn't nice. Double whammy.

Given your situation (which you chose to bring up here as being similar to Kate's) there is a big difference in the fact that you are home with you children while their father is away. Unlike Kate who in the Inside Edition interview plainly stated that while she is away she is on the phone, texting back and forth with whoever is with the kids, that clearly means to me that it is not necessarily always Jon.

In the same interview, she goes on to say that the custody arrangement was the part that was civil. Something changed since that arrangement was made and it appears to me to be her career choices and the time away those jobs require.

Disagree with me all you want about her right to work and need to work etc. But for me, I am amazed that she has done a complete 180 degree turn on the care for the kids since they were little. Before flaming me, hear me out. It was widely reported and visible in the episodes that she kept everything very structured and organized to the point of practically being OCD. It seems that now she has had to loosen up those ways since she is not there 100% of the time. It makes me wonder if she realizes that the same control she now has to relinquinish was mostly at fault for the demise of her marriage.

 

[MAKmom]

Maybe Kate doesn't know that Kevin & Jodi saw the kids.

It's weird there was not any pictures of Kevin & Jodi seeing the kids...just Jon.

Kevin looks like a nut in the hearing video, what is with the hair do. It must of been so embarrassing for him when they realized the potty episode was at his house with his wife

 

[mhsjax]

It's weird there was not any pictures of Kevin & Jodi seeing the kids...just Jon.

Kevin looks like a nut in the hearing video, what is with the hair do. It must of been so embarrassing for him when they realized the potty episode was at his house with his wife

Which potty episode was that? I remember one at Beth's house but not Kevin and Jodi's.

 

[MAKmom]

Which potty episode was that? I remember one at Beth's house but not Kevin and Jodi's.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...upervised-potty-training-episode-they-are-now

 

[DMRick]

But that was then. Things change. No one is flaming you, just disagreeing, which is what we all do here LOL.
Heck when my first two were young, I cooked and made all their babyfood and never left them with a sitter..never. I also didn't let the first one out of the yard to ride her bike in the street until she was 12. The second one was 9, the third? Heck, he was playing outfront at 5.
Things change as time goes on and some of us loosen up. A lot changed for Kate and Jon. I happen to think when you have a lot of kids close in age, you need to be structured, or go nuts.

The control thing could have been the demise of her marriage, but with over 50% of marriages broken, it could have been any number of things, as I doubt that was the reason in all of those. A lot of things contribute to a broken marriage. The control she had in the begining also could have been what held the marriage togehter.

Disagree with me all you want about her right to work and need to work etc. But for me, I am amazed that she has done a complete 180 degree turn on the care for the kids since they were little. Before flaming me, hear me out. It was widely reported and visible in the episodes that she kept everything very structured and organized to the point of practically being OCD. It seems that now she has had to loosen up those ways since she is not there 100% of the time. It makes me wonder if she realizes that the same control she now has to relinquinish was mostly at fault for the demise of her marriage.

 

[jmpurdy]

The kids are older, she is in a place she thought she'd never be in...getting a divorce. She does need to work. People are genuinely interested in how this family dynamic works with alot of kids. I have always felt she was rough on Jon because he wouldn't DO anything on his own. The pattern evolved that if the household was to run somewhat smoothly, she'd be the one to organize it. He became complacent in her making the decisions. Many households are like this, theirs was just on TV. She had to have tunnel vision due to the sheer volume of each household task. I don't fault her at all for this. Of course she's made mistakes. But I think the media is extremely hard on her. She is a very protective mama bear. I actually admire that.

 

[DMRick]

You said it better than I did.

The kids are older, she is in a place she thought she'd never be in...getting a divorce. She does need to work. People are genuinely interested in how this family dynamic works with alot of kids. I have always felt she was rough on Jon because he wouldn't DO anything on his own. The pattern evolved that if the household was to run somewhat smoothly, she'd be the one to organize it. He became complacent in her making the decisions. Many households are like this, theirs was just on TV. She had to have tunnel vision due to the sheer volume of each household task. I don't fault her at all for this. Of course she's made mistakes. But I think the media is extremely hard on her. She is a very protective mama bear. I actually admire that.

 

[Dee77]

The kids are older, she is in a place she thought she'd never be in...getting a divorce. She does need to work. People are genuinely interested in how this family dynamic works with alot of kids. I have always felt she was rough on Jon because he wouldn't DO anything on his own. The pattern evolved that if the household was to run somewhat smoothly, she'd be the one to organize it. He became complacent in her making the decisions. Many households are like this, theirs was just on TV. She had to have tunnel vision due to the sheer volume of each household task. I don't fault her at all for this. Of course she's made mistakes. But I think the media is extremely hard on her. She is a very protective mama bear. I actually admire that.

For me personally, my impressions of her were not based on the media being hard on her. It was from witnessing first hand how she was on the series. I also realize that this is all with TLC exploiting a lot of the negative while it appeared that she did not have editorial influence.

I always thought it seemed (from the shows) that Jon did quite a bit. From bathing all the kids, to a lot of the manual labor of tasks around the house so I felt like things were more balanced since she made the decisions and took on the organizational burden.

 

[kidshop]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...upervised-potty-training-episode-they-are-now

This is the info that is not true. ROL may not be the most accurate source. I'll say it again: no naked bathroom footage was ever shot at Jodi's house. It was all behind a closed door. She passed out a treat (not gum I hope) after the deed was done. The naked footage and footage of being alone with a cameraman all took place under Jon and Kate.


About not seeing pictures of the kids reunited with Kevin and Jodi, well, maybe it wasn't a driveway photo op. And have the kids ever left the house, except for filming and school? Where would they have been? Kate was out of town at that time.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

The kids are older, she is in a place she thought she'd never be in...getting a divorce. She does need to work. People are genuinely interested in how this family dynamic works with alot of kids. I have always felt she was rough on Jon because he wouldn't DO anything on his own. The pattern evolved that if the household was to run somewhat smoothly, she'd be the one to organize it. He became complacent in her making the decisions. Many households are like this, theirs was just on TV. She had to have tunnel vision due to the sheer volume of each household task. I don't fault her at all for this. Of course she's made mistakes. But I think the media is extremely hard on her. She is a very protective mama bear. I actually admire that.

Kate has said that divorce wasn't what she wanted but that Jon left her no other choice but to file. I understand the single mom thing, wanting to work and provide for her kids. That's an admirable, responsible thing to do. However, she (apart from DWTS) can't seem to make money without using her kids...putting them on tv or writing about their feelings/private moments in a book for the world to see. She has effectively tied herself to them in a career sense. I don't have a problem with her being on DWTS, lots of other celeb moms did it. (She does have a new show coming up on TLC about her working other people's jobs in hopes of inspiring them and learning something herself. I don't think it will go well but that's just my opinion.) By putting her and her kid's lives on reality tv for years, people have grown to love those little kiddos. That's what they want to see, the kids, not Kate working weird jobs.

As far as her being a protective mama bear, I suppose in some way she is, as in she doesn't want them to get physically hurt, etc. But I have trouble getting past her wanting to protect them yet shoving them out into the public eye (Kate+8 and her books) for the world to see. She's not stupid, the kids are what sold that show and she knows it. That's where the money is because that's what the public wants to see. We've all discussed how shrewd Kate is and my guess (total speculation) is that deep down she knows that she's nothing without those sweet 8 little ones of hers.

 

[DMRick]

Actually I'm not sure what she is without them, but I do think that she thinks she can be something without them. I'll have to wait and see how the Twist show does. I hope she is successful, but I also think that with those who dislike her so much, even if she is any good at it, the little stuff will be picked apart so much, it won't matter (did you see the face Kate made on the show, her rolling eyes, did you count the um's, did you see her shoes, her tan, her girls). I'd like to see her be successful without the kids, but how would that happen with her being torn apart on this show for everything she does? I'd rather give her a pass on the little things, so the kids don't have to be the way for her to make it.

We've all discussed how shrewd Kate is and my guess (total speculation) is that deep down she knows that she's nothing without those sweet 8 little ones of hers.

 

[preesi]

Actually what she said was SHE hasn't allowed them to see her kids in two years. But we know that Jon has. Here is the wording from that interview.

"The truth is, I haven't allowed them to see my kids for two years," said Gosselin."

There are a few different interviews, she says it differently each time.

Where the heck did that come from..that they are paying people to say nice things about her?

If youve been following this whole thing as long as I have and you work behind the scenes etc it is 100% obvious they are paying people to give Kate good press. Its called payola, it is very common in this industry.
I cannot reveal my sources BUT people can say all this nice stuff about Kate on TV Interviews but they say the opposite in private.

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As for being pretty much done, I've heard for two years that she was done. She is tenacious. I think I'll wait and see if she is really pretty much done. It's been said before.
The book is actually doing way better than I would have thought, and she has a new show (which I don't think will make it, but who knows) and if TLC is trying to get rid of her (contract ends in May I think) they show it in a funny way, since Kate + 8 will have specials.

No, TLC and Julie May are Tenacious, not Kate.
Kate just does what they tell her to do.
I wonder if Kate knows how much of herself she has lost being their puppet.
They changed her ****s, her face, her signature hair, they made her stop hitting Jon, they destroyed her family, they sent her to media training to learn what to say...
Shes not even the same person anymore, she has become 100% plastic and fake. And she wants fame so badly shes allowed it all.
And it has all gone to her head and she buys her own hype and she treats people on tv shows like they are her personal servants.

As an industry insider has told me, Kate is oversaturated and people are sick of her. and that is why she is done.
TLC is trying to FORCE her on us all by putting her on all these shows.
Its a media blitz to drown out the TRUTH of the blogs and the labor investigation etc.
Its like spraying Lysol after you use the toilet, The stench is still there, but now it smells like roses.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Actually I'm not sure what she is without them, but I do think that she thinks she can be something without them. I'll have to wait and see how the Twist show does. I hope she is successful, but I also think that with those who dislike her so much, even if she is any good at it, the little stuff will be picked apart so much, it won't matter (did you see the face Kate made on the show, her rolling eyes, did you count the um's, did you see her shoes, her tan, her girls). I'd like to see her be successful without the kids, but how would that happen with her being torn apart on this show for everything she does? I'd rather give her a pass on the little things, so the kids don't have to be the way for her to make it.

I'd love to see her do something apart from them too, like DWTS. Although that's not really a full time job! I just think that we (general we of course) have wrapped up her image with the kids and that most (not all) would rather see the kids than her on tv. Twist of Kate sounds like a bizarre concept, I'd think Kate would be more suited to an organizational type of show. Hey, maybe she could join Niecy Nash on that clean house show she does! Now THAT I would watch!