Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[mousey]

As far as I'm concerned both Jon & Kate are idiots. Jon claims he gave up his 20's for his kids while people question how this couple could qualify for 2 fertility treatments that produce 8 kids within a short span. I have a friend who has been trying for years to get pregnant with invitro and other methods and no baby yet. They both have jobs which wasn't the case with Jon & Kate.

Part of the problem with Jon & Kate is that they think people are on their side. They don't realize that people are laughing at them--not with them!

Concerning Monday's show, Jon was very angry. You could tell the way he was acting when the girls were making the lemonade signs. Obviously Mady knows what buttons to press to really exacerbate the situation. I'm sure she pulls the same thing with Kate and her reaction is the same as Jon's only we will never see that. Kara wasn't totally innocent as she was whining about the markers too! I found it odd that the little girls were just sitting there doing nothing. 5 yrs old and they can't color??? If this was Kate's project (raising money for the firestation) Crayola would of donated a whole mess of products for them to use and then some! Kate did mention this was probably a publicity stunt that Jon pulled. You know she would never do anything like that especially when she cooked dinner at the Ronald McDonald house and made the big announcement that dinner was courtesy of Jon & Kate plus 8 minis Jon!

Kate is angry because Jon pulled the plug on the gravytrain. No more freebies and trips. Wasn't it a month ago that she didn't have money to pay her bills? That wasn't a publicity stunt was it?? No just another interview about "poor Kate"!

 

[mikki'smom]

 

[mikki'smom]

Speak for yourself, mousey....I like Kate...always have...I agree that she's often harsh and demanding, but she has a lot to take care of and doesn't have to time to win people over to her way of thinking...and why should she...she has beautiful kids and a beautiful home and it's all due to the fact that she wouldn't lower her standards...I think her one big boo boo in all of this was in thinking that she could change Jon and bring him on board...in all honesty, I think that Jon has begun some kind of drug or alcohol use and this accounts for his sudden change in behavior...but this is just one woman's opinion...

 

[happygirl]

Speak for yourself, mousey....I like Kate...always have...I agree that she's often harsh and demanding, but she has a lot to take care of and doesn't have to time to win people over to her way of thinking...and why should she...she has beautiful kids and a beautiful home and it's all due to the fact that she wouldn't lower her standards...I think her one big boo boo in all of this was in thinking that she could change Jon and bring him on board...in all honesty, I think that Jon has begun some kind of drug or alcohol use and this accounts for his sudden change in behavior...but this is just one woman's opinion...

I agree, very well said

 

[barkley]

Speak for yourself, mousey....I like Kate...always have...I agree that she's often harsh and demanding, but she has a lot to take care of and doesn't have to time to win people over to her way of thinking...and why should she...she has beautiful kids and a beautiful home and it's all due to the fact that she wouldn't lower her standards...I think her one big boo boo in all of this was in thinking that she could change Jon and bring him on board...in all honesty, I think that Jon has begun some kind of drug or alcohol use and this accounts for his sudden change in behavior...but this is just one woman's opinion...

i don't think it was ever a matter for kate of not lowering her standards. in the very begining i believe her intent was to maintain a standard of living for her family (though the fact it's been reported that both she and jon began researching and soliciting financial opportunites related to multiple births well before the sextuplets were born might make one think otherwise), but in very short time kate (and jon) were driven to increase their standards far beyond what would be considered a realistic lifestyle for a family that size with 2 parents of similar existing educational/professional income earning potential.


over the course of the show we've heard kate's tune go from "we need help to provide for the basic needs of our children" (and that society was obligated to provide the support for her children) to "we only want our children to have the opportunity to experience at least once what's the norm for all other kids to experience" (vacation wise), to more recently "my kids deserve everything handed to them on a gold platter".


to my mind that's not someone who is'nt lowering their standards, it's someone with an inflated sense of entitlement.

 

[mousey]

Speak for yourself, mousey....I like Kate...always have...I agree that she's often harsh and demanding, but she has a lot to take care of and doesn't have to time to win people over to her way of thinking...and why should she...she has beautiful kids and a beautiful home and it's all due to the fact that she wouldn't lower her standards...I think her one big boo boo in all of this was in thinking that she could change Jon and bring him on board...in all honesty, I think that Jon has begun some kind of drug or alcohol use and this accounts for his sudden change in behavior...but this is just one woman's opinion...

JMO, however, in the early days Jon & Kate begged for money and love offerings to support themselves. They shopped at the Salvation Army. Fast forward and thanks to TLC and sponsors, they were still asking for love offerings but getting trips and freebies to promote products. Nothing wrong with that unless the viewers think a family of 10 plus paid staff going skiing in Utah, followed by trips to California and Hawaii, followed by mother and daughter flying cross country for a spa day realistic, things changed.
Kate never had any standards so she couldn't change them. She would (could) of sold her soul to the devil for a price. Jon mentioned 2 seasons ago he wanted to stop. She didn't, she thought she was a diva--still does.
What would you rather have a big mansion, lots of money, free trips, madeover rooms or a Daddy for your 8 kids and a companion for yourself?? She made the wrong choice!

 

[AlienBrain]

JMO, however, in the early days Jon & Kate begged for money and love offerings to support themselves. They shopped at the Salvation Army. Fast forward and thanks to TLC and sponsors, they were still asking for love offerings but getting trips and freebies to promote products. Nothing wrong with that unless the viewers think a family of 10 plus paid staff going skiing in Utah, followed by trips to California and Hawaii, followed by mother and daughter flying cross country for a spa day realistic, things changed.
Kate never had any standards so she couldn't change them. She would (could) of sold her soul to the devil for a price. Jon mentioned 2 seasons ago he wanted to stop. She didn't, she thought she was a diva--still does.
What would you rather have a big mansion, lots of money, free trips, madeover rooms or a Daddy for your 8 kids and a companion for yourself?? She made the wrong choice!

+1

I'm with you.

I watched J&K+8 because of the kids. If Kate does go through with her own show, she will quickly discover that her fanbase will be much much smaller than the fanbase from J&K+8. It's not all about you, Kate. I know you have to keep reminding yourself about that in all your voiceovers when you say "it's all about the kids" ad nauseam to justify everything.

I feel sorry for your children and I hope that you and Jon can pull your heads out of your collective rear ends to see what's going on. If you want life to be better for your children, don't do your own show. Pull yourself out of the limelight. The paparazzi will leave you alone rather soon if you get out of the limelight.

Money isn't everything in this world. The pursuit of fame and fortune always, ALWAYS has it's consequences that are much worse than being a normal middle class American who works 40+ hours a week.

Jon and Kate's biggest mistake was to leave their day jobs. One of them should have continued working. It is definitely possible with multiples, just look at the Table for 12 folks. Their father still works and they are doing just fine, happy as can be.

 

[LoraJ]

Personally, I do not think TLC paid them enough money for the show, so I find it silly to go on and on about "freebies." I think of it as compensation.

 

[mhsjax]

Personally, I do not think TLC paid them enough money for the show, so I find it silly to go on and on about "freebies." I think of it as compensation.

What other job would have paid them enough to get a million dollar house and 8 kids in private school. NONE that a nurse and IT tech could do. And yes I am sure speaking engagements and the book helped, but none of that would have been possible without TLC.

And it isn't aobut the freebies really in my book, it is that Kate thinks her kids deserve to be handed things on a golden platter, she said so herself. That is not rasing good kids, that is raising selfich brats, which IMHO they are becoming quickly. The tups are out of control as far as I am concerned. Their behavior is horrible.

 

[barkley]

Personally, I do not think TLC paid them enough money for the show, so I find it silly to go on and on about "freebies." I think of it as compensation.

call it anything-pay, compensation, 'love offerings'....it was substantial enough to facilitate the purchasing of an over one million dollar home without the selling of the prior home, several cars, multiple 'non liquid' bank accounts reportedly in the hundreds of thousands, and allow for a woman who is crying over not being able to meet her family's basic monthly expenses to move forward with plans to purchase a diamond ring.


anyone whose basic monthly expenses are $15,000, and has been able to not only meet these expenses but make additional high end purchases as well as save significantly has been compensated/paid/love gifted generously by any reasonable standards.

 

[mousey]

What other job would have paid them enough to get a million dollar house and 8 kids in private school. NONE that a nurse and IT tech could do. And yes I am sure speaking engagements and the book helped, but none of that would have been possible without TLC.

And it isn't aobut the freebies really in my book, it is that Kate thinks her kids deserve to be handed things on a golden platter, she said so herself. That is not rasing good kids, that is raising selfich brats, which IMHO they are becoming quickly. The tups are out of control as far as I am concerned. Their behavior is horrible.

ITA! Kate is going to find out real soon that the attraction was not her and Jon but her 8 little cash morsels. I really hope this new venture for her works out so she can support her kids rather than them supporting her. Of course, after the lawyers get their fees and the divorce is settled, the State of Pennsylvania might be supporting the whole brood!

I agree, the kids behavior is getting worse. I think they are getting that sense of entitlement from their mother.

 

[mousey]

call it anything-pay, compensation, 'love offerings'....it was substantial enough to facilitate the purchasing of an over one million dollar home without the selling of the prior home, several cars, multiple 'non liquid' bank accounts reportedly in the hundreds of thousands, and allow for a woman who is crying over not being able to meet her family's basic monthly expenses to move forward with plans to purchase a diamond ring.


anyone whose basic monthly expenses are $15,000, and has been able to not only meet these expenses but make additional high end purchases as well as save significantly has been compensated/paid/love gifted generously by any reasonable standards.

I'm curious how TLC handles the taxes related to the love offerings, freebies and paid vacations. I know when you want to appear on the "Price is Right" you have to provide your social security number for tax purposes if you win. Well the Gosselin's certainly were winners!

 

[joyjoy]

... if I may just jump in here with all you regulars....

Colin said the FUNNIEST thing when they were at the dairy. Aiden said something to him about the cow and Colin said "He said it was his privacy but it is just his milker.". So funny.

I think Jon acted coked up or something. Very jittery, talking very fast, he seemed like he was about to jump out of his own skin.

 

[madge]

I think next year we are going to see Kate & the kids in a new show.

I'm not sure about the kids. I think, when it's all said and done... and the lawsuits are over ... that TLC did not do right by the Gosselin family, by what they were paid and how they conducted themselves with regards to permits, etc. I think that anything that's done with the Gosselins will be with Kate, and occasionally we'll see the children.

 

[MusiqChic99]

... if I may just jump in here with all you regulars....

Colin said the FUNNIEST thing when they were at the dairy. Aiden said something to him about the cow and Colin said "He said it was his privacy but it is just his milker.". So funny.

I think Jon acted coked up or something. Very jittery, talking very fast, he seemed like he was about to jump out of his own skin.

Id act that way too if I was talking into a camera owned by the company who is Team Kate.

I'm suprised they let him talk at all.

 

[kidshop]

Personally, I do not think TLC paid them enough money for the show, so I find it silly to go on and on about "freebies." I think of it as compensation.

I actually don't think they were paid enough by TLC either, assuming it's true last seasons rate was 22,500 total per episode. I think TLC took advantage of their dimness and willingness to be blinded by greed and fame. They sold the kids, and no amount would be enough, IMO.

 

[MusiqChic99]

I actually don't think they were paid enough by TLC either, assuming it's true last seasons rate was 22,500 total per episode. I think TLC took advantage of their dimness and willingness to be blinded by greed and fame. They sold the kids, and no amount would be enough, IMO.

Isn't reality shows the cheapest anyway? I mean they aren't actors so why should they be paid an actors salary???

JMO...but I think I'd take $22,500 per episode and NEVER complain about that.

 

[madge]

I've been quiet recently, because I think the whole thing is just horribly depressing, and I have had 'flu.

I don't think this is necessarily the end for the Gosselin children, much though so many of us want it to be . . . Kate will sell those kids lives forever, if she gets her way.

Eh, I TIVOed the last episode and wished I had not. Kate weeping. Kate justifying, Kate lying her rear end off. Kate chucking Jon under the bus. 'Scuse me, but Jon taking the kids to the fire station for charity is a publicity stunt, but Kate selling location stunts with kiddies is not?

Yep, that was very old footage of Jon. Before he stopped filming.

The (really bad) voiceovers were all Kate. Such twisted edited footage. And really so obvious. All it said to me was that TLC is exploitative.

And . . . RadarOnline seems to be owned by TLC. Michael Lohan (he is scum) seems to have a hot-line to TLC. Did Jon know that phone call was taped? If he did not know, it strikes me as illegal.

I'm back to watching for outcomes in the Gosselin debacle in the legal system. I think it will be interesting.

I just want to add that there are some really, truly, cool thoughtful and intelligent people here. I am so glad to cyber know you. You know who you are

I'm not sure that this thread will stop, cold turkey, because there are people who are still concerned for the kids. And will continue to advocate for them being off the air.

Just my opinion, but if Kate has "won" this battle, you will see those children again. And that will be wrong. Very wrong. The children need privacy, and for their mother to quit profiting from them.

good post. I can't speak to the comments about Monday's show (ratings were 4+ million, in case that wasn't posted) but I agree with the rest.

hope you're feeling better from the flu!

 

[madge]

i don't think it was ever a matter for kate of not lowering her standards. in the very begining i believe her intent was to maintain a standard of living for her family (though the fact it's been reported that both she and jon began researching and soliciting financial opportunites related to multiple births well before the sextuplets were born might make one think otherwise), but in very short time kate (and jon) were driven to increase their standards far beyond what would be considered a realistic lifestyle for a family that size with 2 parents of similar existing educational/professional income earning potential.


over the course of the show we've heard kate's tune go from "we need help to provide for the basic needs of our children" (and that society was obligated to provide the support for her children) to "we only want our children to have the opportunity to experience at least once what's the norm for all other kids to experience" (vacation wise), to more recently "my kids deserve everything handed to them on a gold platter".


to my mind that's not someone who is'nt lowering their standards, it's someone with an inflated sense of entitlement.

and it's also someone who wants to be in the media spotlight. and I think it's BOTH of them, not just Kate.

 

[kidshop]

Isn't reality shows the cheapest anyway? I mean they aren't actors so why should they be paid an actors salary???

JMO...but I think I'd take $22,500 per episode and NEVER complain about that.

TLC made a reported 186 million in the last quarter off their show. If my numbers are off someone can jump in to correct. suffice it to say TLC profited greatly!

These people live and act like hollywood actors.