Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[Lisa loves Pooh]

DWTS spraytans the whole cast on Mondays. They showed it one year.

It was published somewhere that Kate goes for extra. Once a week just ain't enough.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't think Kate got the memo about the clothing deduction because she appeared in several interviews in the same paisley dress. It was pretty though. I actually didn't think that the clothing would be a write off but then again I am not educated on the subject.

Just curious- Do the freebies they were given add value to their income that would be taxable income like a lottery winning?

It is--

It's not for the working public--like a suit for the office. But for some reason, being on air or photographed is considered different and it is deductible. She probably filmed all the interviews on the same day and thus didn't change. Hey--she can exercise moderation.


For freebies....

Let's see....

Something like a paid trip to New York inclusive of airfare, hotel, and per diem for meals for the interview--that is not considered taxable compensation. Those are legit business expenses just as my husband would get from his company when he travels for business. It does not count as income. It can be argued that even their comped "vacations" were business expenses as they would not have done them but for the show. (but I don't have personal experience on that...)

As far as freebies--and I can only go on my parents experience on This Old House.....

Anything "gifted"--(even if it is claimed "donated" as in materials to do my parents home)--anything gifted is taxable income to the recipient.

So in my family's case--refinished wood floors, A/C, finished kitchen--I dont' remember the ins and outs...but my family got a lot of free things in exchange for having our home remodel filmed. ALL of it was taxable income.

So for the Gosselin clan--

The clothing is iffy--especially if worn on air....it's income, but turn around an deduct it...just not sure on that one....

But much of their gifted items could be considered taxable income. I know there is speculation ont he freebies and I Am certainly not a tax consultant. But for example, if when they carpeted their old home to prep it for resale-if that was donated in exchange for advertising--the carpet would be taxable income (based again, on my TOH experience).

It just really depends. My family's "reality tv" experience is a far cry from shows such as J&K, The duggars or the roloffs. Roloffs is a good example--I think they had much help in their home remodel in exchange for advertising--that would all be taxable. The Duggars, having their home finished and decorated by DHC--all would be taxable. The reason--these are personal residences, though used for "business"--filming....they are not used exclusively for business and thus not tax deductible.

Again--not an accountant!!! But my parents did get burned on their taxes from TOH--one of the businesses put in a false value on their donation (the floors) and though my parents disputed it, they were forced to pay the back taxes on the declared value b/c they had no other proof. (let's just say--even today--it would not cost as much as they claimed to refinish wood floors--nearly 20 years later! But then again, taxes never seemed to be based on common sense.)

Hope this very loose explanation helps a little.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Just curious- Do the freebies they were given add value to their income that would be taxable income like a lottery winning?

On another note...


In the past couple of years--the IRS began requiring taxes on those overflowing gift bags that winners/presenters get at the Oscars. I remember reading the first year that the actors refused the bags. They wanted their free stuff to remain free.

 

[DMRick]

I haven't kept up on my tax business, since I haven't done taxes for others in several years (and then it was part time), but I assume the answer wouldn't have changed much. I have never worked for a place that did 'showbiz' taxes and I bet they have a lot of what if's and depends on, but for the normal person, it really depends on if she was required to have those items for her employment. I also wonder if, items like the little houses, that were used by TLC may have been then offered at a greatly reduced price.

I don't think Kate got the memo about the clothing deduction because she appeared in several interviews in the same paisley dress. It was pretty though. I actually didn't think that the clothing would be a write off but then again I am not educated on the subject.

Just curious- Do the freebies they were given add value to their income that would be taxable income like a lottery winning?

 

[Buckalew11]

You know, it isn't THAT expensive to tan. Tanning can take between 10 and 20 mins. so really, if she does tan a lot, it isn't like she's away from home for that long. Now the cost to her in yrs. to come could be dreadful but tanning isn't going to break her budget.

Her hairdresser is that new guy on TLC's What Not To Wear. I'm sure there is a deal there plus the extension were free and DWTS wanted them so they could do her hair many ways. She said the other night on TV (Maybe Joy B. ?) that she liked when they took them out beforehand and she had that cute little bob that Walden and I liked.

We've seen some of her clothes on-line and they were not expensive clothes. I'm sure she has some expensive stuff (I have a few pieces myself, lol) but the majority seemed reasonably priced imo.

I'm sure she spends on shoes--people tend to do that--I do not because I have a really narrow foot so I have few shoes. Maybe designer shoes would work for me.

Having nails done isn't that expensive either. Surprising but the cost of that has some down over the yrs instead of going up.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I also wonder if, items like the little houses, that were used by TLC may have been then offered at a greatly reduced price.

That would depend on what the company "wrote off' on their taxes. IF they offered a reduced price, the gosselines paid but then just counted it as a sale--no harm no foul.

If they reduced it--but then claimed the "profit loss" (or whatever the accounting term would be), then Kate and Jon would be responsible for the "gifted" portion of that reduced rate.

Example--if my parents on TOH got a stove--retail $500, but they only paid $100 in exhanged for advertising and then the company claims that $400....my parents would have to count the $400 as income. Really depended on who sent a 1099 at tax time.

 

[DMRick]

I meant they may have bought them at a reduced price from TLC, since they were prob the first owners and TLC really had no use for them, as they were prob meant to be for the kids. There are so many tax loop holes, and TLC is so use to this, I'm sure their lawyers know all the ways out of the tax issues.
I'm sure a lot would depend on if the item was required for taping and if it was a prop.
But in any case, I don't really care if they ended up with the stuff for free. If it was income, I'm sure it was figured in via TLC, and taken care of.

That would depend on what the company "wrote off' on their taxes. IF they offered a reduced price, the gosselines paid but then just counted it as a sale--no harm no foul.

If they reduced it--but then claimed the "profit loss" (or whatever the accounting term would be), then Kate and Jon would be responsible for the "gifted" portion of that reduced rate.

Example--if my parents on TOH got a stove--retail $500, but they only paid $100 in exhanged for advertising and then the company claims that $400....my parents would have to count the $400 as income. Really depended on who sent a 1099 at tax time.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I meant they may have bought them at a reduced price from TLC, since they were prob the first owners and TLC really had no use for them, as they were prob meant to be for the kids. There are so many tax loop holes, and TLC is so use to this, I'm sure their lawyers know all the ways out of the tax issues.
I'm sure a lot would depend on if the item was required for taping and if it was a prop.
But in any case, I don't really care if they ended up with the stuff for free. If it was income, I'm sure it was figured in via TLC, and taken care of.

I misread that.

I'm not sure I agree.

If the average citizen would have been taxed, J&K are no exception. TLC wouldn't necessarily want the tax liablity--but they could certainly set themselves up to take the hit, I suppose.

 

[DMRick]

The reason--these are personal residences, though used for "business"--filming....they are not used exclusively for business and thus not tax deductible..

There is a lot more to it than all of this. Once your parents house was finished, they were done taping. These homes are still being used, and there will still be percents to deduct and depreciation over a few years. A lot will be tax deductable. I use part of my home for business, and I get to deduct a lot. I also keep a log book for when I use certain machines for biz vs personal.

Also, a lot of the items on the reality shows are required items..that is a whole other ball of wax.

Without having a show biz tax attorney on this board, most of us here would be way in over our head to figure out what they have to claim and what they don't have to.

 

[DMRick]

We'll just have to disagree. These were props that were part of the show. Required. If they can prove removing them would be cost effective, then it might be different. The trips were paid for by TLC and were for filming. Changes to their house were for filming. Once they were done with the houses, their value was then a used play house, and prob not worth the cost to remove and sell them. We would need to have a show biz attorney answer these questions. You mom's home and my experience in regular and small biz taxes wouldn't begin to cover this. Loopholes abound in the show biz world. Heck, even in the small business world. I love my deductions.

I misread that.

I'm not sure I agree.

If the average citizen would have been taxed, J&K are no exception. TLC wouldn't necessarily want the tax liablity--but they could certainly set themselves up to take the hit, I suppose.

 

[Dee77]

There is a lot more to it than all of this. Once your parents house was finished, they were done taping. These homes are still being used, and there will still be percents to deduct and depreciation over a few years. A lot will be tax deductable. I use part of my home for business, and I get to deduct a lot. I also keep a log book for when I use certain machines for biz vs personal.

Also, a lot of the items on the reality shows are required items..that is a whole other ball of wax.

Without having a show biz tax attorney on this board, most of us here would be way in over our head to figure out what they have to claim and what they don't have to.

But with no one on this thread actually knowing Jon or Kate personally, shouldn't the same sentiment be extended for pretty much EVERY other dialogue about them?

I find it funny that a line will be drawn at guessing what happens with them on April 15th since there isn't an all knowing accountant on this board but the speculation/defense of them about everything else will go on for pages and pages as if they are a member of your inner circle.

 

[OhMari]

You know, it isn't THAT expensive to tan. Tanning can take between 10 and 20 mins. so really, if she does tan a lot, it isn't like she's away from home for that long. Now the cost to her in yrs. to come could be dreadful but tanning isn't going to break her budget.

Her hairdresser is that new guy on TLC's What Not To Wear. I'm sure there is a deal there plus the extension were free and DWTS wanted them so they could do her hair many ways. She said the other night on TV (Maybe Joy B. ?) that she liked when they took them out beforehand and she had that cute little bob that Walden and I liked.

We've seen some of her clothes on-line and they were not expensive clothes. I'm sure she has some expensive stuff (I have a few pieces myself, lol) but the majority seemed reasonably priced imo.

I'm sure she spends on shoes--people tend to do that--I do not because I have a really narrow foot so I have few shoes. Maybe designer shoes would work for me.

Having nails done isn't that expensive either. Surprising but the cost of that has some down over the yrs instead of going up.

I think the hair extensions are out and she is now wearing wigs. Kate probably doesn't want to call them wigs, because it sounds funny. I think she is like Dolly P. Everytime I see her, she has a new hair style, short, long, curled etc., I truly think it is wigs now.

 

[DMRick]

I'm not at all saying we can't/won't still speculate/guess (and I'm sure we still will LOL). And yes, that sentiment is extended for pretty much EVERY other dialogue about them. And many of us do often say that there is a lot we don't know about them because none of us actually know them. Of course that never stops us from continuing to discuss them and try and figure out the legal stuff and the personal stuff.

But with most of the things having to do with them, there is little we can say with any certainty. Tax law actually is the same for everyone, but since none of us admits to actually knowing show biz tax law, it would sure be nice to have someone who did know. I'm curious as are others, what the tax laws are, and if we did have a showbiz tax accountant it's actually something we wouldn't have to guess, we'd know because it would be the same for any of these reality show people.

So there is no line drawn, people will continue to speculate and guess. I gave my opinion and I'm sure others will continue to give theirs.

But with no one on this thread actually knowing Jon or Kate personally, shouldn't the same sentiment be extended for pretty much EVERY other dialogue about them?

I find it funny that a line will be drawn at guessing what happens with them on April 15th since there isn't an all knowing accountant on this board but the speculation/defense of them about everything else will go on for pages and pages as if they are a member of your inner circle.

 

[DMRick]

but the speculation/defense of them about everything else will go on for pages and pages as if they are a member of your inner circle.

Just to add, it's not just the speculation/defense of them that goes on for pages and pages as if they are a member of your inner circle, so does the speculation/intense disklike and hate as if they are a member of your inner circle. Neither side, if there are sides since there is a lot of flip flopping that also goes on has admitted to actually knowing these people. While some would say, yes but I see by Kate's actions..others would say, yes, so do I, and obviously, depending on if you do or don't like her, it's all in the perception as to her behavior. And that's just my opinion. YMMV.

 

[walden]

But with no one on this thread actually knowing Jon or Kate personally, shouldn't the same sentiment be extended for pretty much EVERY other dialogue about them?

I find it funny that a line will be drawn at guessing what happens with them on April 15th since there isn't an all knowing accountant on this board but the speculation/defense of them about everything else will go on for pages and pages as if they are a member of your inner circle.

ITA. Amusing, isn't it?

 

[Buckalew11]

I think the hair extensions are out and she is now wearing wigs. Kate probably doesn't want to call them wigs, because it sounds funny. I think she is like Dolly P. Everytime I see her, she has a new hair style, short, long, curled etc., I truly think it is wigs now.

I don't agree with you but one never knows. I think she had the extentions redone. Extensions are so very, very popular and common for famous people esp.

I haven't noticed her hair being much different. Of course, this coming from a hairdresser whose hair looks different every other day.

 

[longstangetrip]

Just to add, it's not just the speculation/defense of them that goes on for pages and pages as if they are a member of your inner circle, so does the speculation/intense disklike and hate as if they are a member of your inner circle. Neither side, if there are sides since there is a lot of flip flopping that also goes on has admitted to actually knowing these people. While some would say, yes but I see by Kate's actions..others would say, yes, so do I, and obviously, depending on if you do or don't like her, it's all in the perception as to her behavior. And that's just my opinion. YMMV.

I respectfully disagree. Kate has been reported to and been seen and been heard operating WAY outside of social norms. Why would she need defending if she wasn't controversial? Controversial by definition would mean she does and says offensive/abrasive/un-relatable things, right? How far one operates outside of social norms determines their level of controversy.

People dislike the way the kids might feel when she says and does the things we witness her saying and doing. The people she encounters in the service industry, her fans, Jon, the people at airline security; she treats people badly based on normal behavioral expectations. We saw it on the show, and hear about it regularly. If she humiliates a family member (for instance Jon or Jodi), there is no perception needed except for the victim's. If they are humiliated it is real.

What people feel that are on this board not defending her actions and words is empathy I would guess. The ability to put ones self in another's shoes. The kids, her family, the people she encounters, the fans she snubs, etc. Empathy toward her can be challenging because so much of her self proclaimed stress and misery is self inflicted.

The kids of course are reminded frequently "how hard it is to be their mommy." Now it is in the latest book for posterity and the public as well. Normally people do not share things she has shared about her children. This is a fact. People don't hate her here; I think they are in dismay that other posters think what you see coming from Kate needs all kinds of dissection, quantification and validation. She's just not all that complicated.

 

[Promomx2]

Is Kate flying commercial flights? If she is, I wish someone on board with her would post to see how she is? Maybe film a meltdown or a "Kate moment" if she has one. It's hard to believe as many flights she takes, no one has released a video. Could it be that she's always nice in the air???

 

[DMRick]

And it's your right of course to disagree as that is your opinion. It' sprob other people's opinion as well. But not everybody's. We seem to be pretty split on this board, just like the outside world.

I was told some of us were defending her. That's what some people have said, that we were defending her. I don't see her operating WAY outside of social norms. Because I don't see that, I'm told I'm defending her.

We (general we) are assuming the kids feel bad when she says and does the things we (general) think are things she shouldn't say. And they may, but we'll have to wait for the books. They may still think their mom is terrific.

The only thing that you said that really surprises me, is that you don't think people on this board hate Kate. I don't agree with that at all. I agree they feel bad for people like Jodi and Kevin, because they perceive Kate is doing them wrong. Well, others of us perceive just the opposite.

You said the kids are hearing "how hard it is to be their mommy." because that is what you hear and I think a lot has to do with if you do or don't like Kate. I hear how afraid she is that she won't be able to support them.

A lot of people like Kate. You (general you) may not like it that they do, but they do. And those that like her and those that don't, perceive everything based on that IMO. Just as you may not agree with what I see, I don't agree with what you see. And that IMO is the real controversy over Kate.

As for the book, I haven't read it, but what I have read that is in it, I wish it had not been published. But I also don't think it was meant to be written as a put down to her kids. Some people are enjoying and it seems to be selling, so I understand that many won't agree with me that it shouldn't have been published. But even there, that is their opinion and I don't have a problem with them having it.

I do appreciate that you respectfully disagree. I also respectfully disagree with what you wrote, and I think that is why this board has gone so long without being closed. Most here have shown respect for the other's opinion.

I respectfully disagree. Kate has been reported to and been seen and been heard operating WAY outside of social norms. Why would she need defending if she wasn't controversial? Controversial by definition would mean she does and says offensive/abrasive/un-relatable things, right? How far one operates outside of social norms determines their level of controversy.

People dislike the way the kids might feel when she says and does the things we witness her saying and doing. The people she encounters in the service industry, her fans, Jon, the people at airline security; she treats people badly based on normal behavioral expectations. We saw it on the show, and hear about it regularly. If she humiliates a family member (for instance Jon or Jodi), there is no perception needed except for the victim's. If they are humiliated it is real.

What people feel that are on this board not defending her actions and words is empathy I would guess. The ability to put ones self in another's shoes. The kids, her family, the people she encounters, the fans she snubs, etc. Empathy toward her can be challenging because so much of her self proclaimed stress and misery is self inflicted.

The kids of course are reminded frequently "how hard it is to be their mommy." Now it is in the latest book for posterity and the public as well. Normally people do not share things she has shared about her children. This is a fact. People don't hate her here; I think they are in dismay that other posters think what you see coming from Kate needs all kinds of dissection, quantification and validation. She's just not all that complicated.

 

[Dee77]

Is Kate flying commercial flights? If she is, I wish someone on board with her would post to see how she is? Maybe film a meltdown or a "Kate moment" if she has one. It's hard to believe as many flights she takes, no one has released a video. Could it be that she's always nice in the air???

Kate said in an interview this week that a TSA agent asked her to show up for her flights earlier since the pins in her hair from DWTS set off the metal detectors so she must be flying commercial..... the poor thing!

You bring up a good point about not hearing from people in the air.. Maybe the network buys all the seats in first class so she will finally have some of that privacy she apparently craves.