Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[DMRick]

If you have been reading us for awhile a lot of people on this thread knew people who had vow renewels (or baby's) when the marriage was going downhill. It seldom works if things are already on their way down. When it was happening a lot of us on this board thought Kate was more into it than Jon, but who knows that might have been over the excitement of going to HI. And we don't know what part TLC played in that either.

Also, everyone I've ever know who have gotten divorced have agreed no nastiness (sort of like when someone dies and no one is going to fight over the stuff). Yeah, right, like that didnt happen.

I don't think either of them realized just how quickly the nastiness would begin. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't they do the renewal of their vows just a few months before separating? It went down quickly and I believe that Kate was better prepared for it (financial stability and public image) than Jon who just ran amuck and acted like a freed prisoner.

 

[dmfuru]

Interesting viewpoints all around. Very insightful folks on this thread.

I must say, I hope it all works out for the best for all of them.


The whole thing reminded me of an old (sorry if I offend any of you) song by Joe South---"The Games People Play." I found it on Youtube with lyrics in the dropdown. Such a pretty song and I think it's worth a listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5znh58WITU8


Best to all.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I just caught a link for the video clip of Kate's interview on Jay Leno. YIKES she said that can speak in front of 25,000 people and that she can talk, that it's one of her better qualities.

It's an impressive skill. But only as useful as the information you have to offer.

I can "read" in front of large groups of people. But Public speaking? Forget it. Too much room for judgement from the audience to think that what I have to say isn't worth listening to.

 

[Dee77]

If you have been reading us for awhile a lot of people on this thread knew people who had vow renewels (or baby's) when the marriage was going downhill. It seldom works if things are already on their way down. When it was happening a lot of us on this board thought Kate was more into it than Jon, but who knows that might have been over the excitement of going to HI. And we don't know what part TLC played in that either.

Also, everyone I've ever know who have gotten divorced have agreed no nastiness (sort of like when someone dies and no one is going to fight over the stuff). Yeah, right, like that didnt happen.

Nope, I never ventured to the community boards until last week sometime and haven't left this J&K thread yet. I was shocked to see a J&K thread on here, and joined in because of DWTS. We'll see what happens after she's cut loose from dancing, I may still have some opinionated points of view to share....... Who am I kidding, I definitely will. There's no one out there like Kate to make me feel like a better wife and mother

 

[3prettyprincesses]

If you have been reading us for awhile a lot of people on this thread knew people who had vow renewels (or baby's) when the marriage was going downhill. It seldom works if things are already on their way down. When it was happening a lot of us on this board thought Kate was more into it than Jon, but who knows that might have been over the excitement of going to HI. And we don't know what part TLC played in that either.

Also, everyone I've ever know who have gotten divorced have agreed no nastiness (sort of like when someone dies and no one is going to fight over the stuff). Yeah, right, like that didnt happen.

I remember that discussion Doris. Several people chimed in that a vow renewal was like the kiss of death for a marriage! Like you said, a last ditch effort and it did come across that Kate was very into the ceremony and Jon was just well, there. It's a shame that the vow renewal is documented on the show because I have a feeling that will really be difficult for the kids to see later on. If it were me and I saw my parents recommitting themselves to one another only to end up divorced shortly after, I'd most likely have cried my eyes out.

Divorce has a way of bringing out the nastiness in people doesn't it? Unfortunately the kids become the favorite 'tool' of choice to hurt the other parent. I hope, hope, hope that Jon and Kate rise above that garbage and realize they have the power to make this a more peaceful life for their kids. I wish I could sit down with both of them and say...'look, I get it that you don't like each other, that there are things you've both said and done that you probably can't forgive each other for. But you have a responsibility to your 8 kids to work through your own garbage and put on a united front. You have to find a way to communicate with each other and leave the lawyers/tabloids out of it. Be the parents you started out to be, the ones we all saw when the babies were little and you were all so happy.' Ok, I'm off my soapbox now ladies!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I remember that discussion Doris. Several people chimed in that a vow renewal was like the kiss of death for a marriage!

Someone was saying that on an unrelated (in referencing J&K) thread about vow renewals in general.



I have a friend that is an attorney--she's a...gosh I don't know what it is called. She doesn't represent people in a divorce. She simply mediates them in a peaceful manner. Pretty much so that the divorce is amicable and appropriate for all parties involved.

But folks like Jon and Kate--probably wouldn't have been interested in her services.

 

[DMRick]

When it's all over, I think we should have a K & J meet. I don't know of any other board on the dis where so many people disagree with each other (and such vastly different views of this), and still mostly like each other (speaking for myself only). Heck, we even PM with the oposite view people!

Nope, I never ventured to the community boards until last week sometime and haven't left this J&K thread yet. I was shocked to see a J&K thread on here, and joined in because of DWTS. We'll see what happens after she's cut loose from dancing, I may still have some opinionated points of view to share....... Who am I kidding, I definitely will. There's no one out there like Kate to make me feel like a better wife and mother

 

[DMRick]

Perhaps you should send this to them? Well said, but you and I know it just doesn't work that way most of the time. And that said, we really don't know if they were ever really happy or if it was all for show.

'look, I get it that you don't like each other, that there are things you've both said and done that you probably can't forgive each other for. But you have a responsibility to your 8 kids to work through your own garbage and put on a united front. You have to find a way to communicate with each other and leave the lawyers/tabloids out of it. Be the parents you started out to be, the ones we all saw when the babies were little and you were all so happy.' Ok, I'm off my soapbox now ladies!

 

[DMRick]

I'm pretty sure they did go to a mediator. I think Jon was so anxious to get back his 20's he might not have been listening and would sign anything. I would think the spouse in any of these sessions, if she were offered a lot, would take it.

Someone was saying that on an unrelated (in referencing J&K) thread about vow renewals in general.
I have a friend that is an attorney--she's a...gosh I don't know what it is called. She doesn't represent people in a divorce. She simply mediates them in a peaceful manner. Pretty much so that the divorce is amicable and appropriate for all parties involved.

But folks like Jon and Kate--probably wouldn't have been interested in her services.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Perhaps you should send this to them? Well said, but you and I know it just doesn't work that way most of the time. And that said, we really don't know if they were ever really happy or if it was all for show.

I know, it doesn't always work out nicely does it. It's a shame because it's the kids who get caught in the middle. I think they were happy, especially during season 1. There was a closeness/bond between J&K that was obvious, at least to me. But then that darn reality tv curse hit them and now they're divorced. Well, they may very well have ended up at that point without the show too, we'll never know. Still, it makes me sad to think of how the kids are interpreting all this craziness and whether or not Jon or Kate are badmouthing one another. For me, that was one of the worst parts of my parents divorce, they just couldn't say anything nice about each other and my sister and I were constantly being pulled in 2 directions. I hope J&K aren't doing that. For what it's worth, I think they both love those kids and are glad they have them all.

 

[OhMari]

You know--I'm going to have to assuem that if he has a TLC contract he is getting paid. Getting paid to do nothing--but he is getting paid.

It seems very odd that he hasn't even been seeking any type of opportunity in any field. And his attorney saying he can't get a job--please. He's not a convicted criminal.

It seems to be a fishy set up. Or Jon is indeed the laziest divorce man on the face of the planet.

I think TLC has him so binded to his contract that he isn't allowed to make any kind of money without their permission. Heck, didn't they admit they signed TLC contract without any legal representation. Jon probably receives something, but not what Kate and him were used to getting. They were the fools too, to not demand payment for each child, and not group the whole family together.

When it's all over, I think we should have a K & J meet. I don't know of any other board on the dis where so many people disagree with each other (and such vastly different views of this), and still mostly like each other (speaking for myself only). Heck, we even PM with the oposite view people!

Some days, I like Kate, and then I read how she twists her words, or tells a lie.
Did Kate ever speak in front of 25,000 people? I know she used to go to various churches, but holy cow, does churches hold that many people?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm pretty sure they did go to a mediator. I think Jon was so anxious to get back his 20's he might not have been listening and would sign anything. I would think the spouse in any of these sessions, if she were offered a lot, would take it.

That wouldn't be my friend's style.

But "peaceful" is in her company name--that part would make Kate run for the hills when she finds out that "peaceful" does not feature a picture of Kate next to it in a dictionary.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I think TLC has him so binded to his contract that he isn't allowed to make any kind of money without their permission. Heck, didn't they admit they signed TLC contract without any legal representation. Jon probably receives something, but not what Kate and him were used to getting. They were the fools too, to not demand payment for each child, and not group the whole family together.

Some days, I like Kate, and then I read how she twists her words, or tells a lie.
Did Kate ever speak in front of 25,000 people? I know she used to go to various churches, but holy cow, does churches hold that many people?

I can believe that she probably did at some point.

Didn't they do some mega churches?

I know my church has a capacity for somewhere between 7500-10,000 (I honestly forget). There is a local mega church that is easily twice the size of it. Plus she has done expos.

Her number may be slightly inflated (I admit I stink at quantitative guestimation myself)--but I do know that they have had available to them an audience numbering in the thousands.

***
re: his TLC contract....

I am a little skeptical that the language of the contract includes "civilian" work. His own attorney said he couldn't get a "normal" job, not due to a contract, but due to his name and who he is. That leads me to believe that he isn't unemployable due to the contract. He's just not employable in the kinds of stuff Kate is if that were the case.

DWTS gets a pass (for her), b/c there she is presenting her TLC image--good or bad. Just like all the other celebs are doing. It isn't a competing type of job, but more of a beneficial type of job.

I'm really wondering though if Jon is as limited as he is. Wasn't he the one that wanted out, that this is all Kate's cup of tea and not his?

It's gotten confusing at this point.

What I wouldn't give for a good and HONEST, don't feed us a bunch of spin--just tell us the truth about the two of you, your divorce and your contracts.

 

[madge]

Some days, I like Kate, and then I read how she twists her words, or tells a lie.
Did Kate ever speak in front of 25,000 people? I know she used to go to various churches, but holy cow, does churches hold that many people?

I'm guessing she's talking about the Southern Women's Shows, where Kate was a featured speaker. And that event in California, where she was put off to the side to sell a book .. it probably had attendance in the thousands.

 

[mhsjax]

That is all true but my point was that Kate talks as if she is barely able to put food on the table. I don't buy that. If she came out and said (like I already mentioned in my post above) that she wants this lifestyle for her and the kids, fine. But that's not the image she's projecting is it? No, she keeps talking like she's scraping to get by and provide for her kids.

I don't blame her for wanting a better life for herself and kids. I want that for my own kids. But I didn't make millions of dollars off a reality show, write numerous books that also made lots of money and go on DWTS to make even more money while lamenting that I'm just trying to put food on the table! There's a difference.

I agree with you 100% and say it often, but for some reason no onve seems to get that, I just want her to "own it". Stop acting like you have to do all of this to put food on the table. May it takes all of that income to tan and get manicure and pedicure and wear designer cloths, (nothing wrong with that) BUT JUST ADMIT IT. And there is a big difference between being a strong woman and what Kate is. IMHO.

 

[DMRick]

May it takes all of that income to tan and get manicure and pedicure and wear designer cloths, (nothing wrong with that) BUT JUST ADMIT IT. And there is a big difference between being a strong woman and what Kate is. IMHO.

I happen to think Kate is a strong women. You don't have to agree, because that is my opinion. I have lots of things I could point out that makes me believe that, but since you don't agree, I think it would just be a waste of time. And I don't agree with you, so if you were to point out why she isn't strong, it would be wasting your time. So we are even
All of the above you mentioned can easily be write-offs because of Kate's line of work, or even paid for by TLC. Without knowing that, I have no way of knowing if she is using the food money to tan, buy clothes, or get a pedicure. That said, I've never gotten a pedicure in my life, but those I know that do get them, do think of them as a neccesity LOL.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I happen to think Kate is a strong women. You don't have to agree, because that is my opinion. I have lots of things I could point out that makes me believe that, but since you don't agree, I think it would just be a waste of time. And I don't agree with you, so if you were to point out why she isn't strong, it would be wasting your time. So we are even
All of the above you mentioned can easily be write-offs because of Kate's line of work, or even paid for by TLC. Without knowing that, I have no way of knowing if she is using the food money to tan, buy clothes, or get a pedicure. That said, I've never gotten a pedicure in my life, but those I know that do get them, do think of them as a neccesity LOL.

I can answer....

B/c she is a public personality and makes money off of her appearance and comportment---if she isn't writing those things off, she is losing out on a valid business expense.

Now such deductions can be abused...but regular vanity maintenance due to personal appearances--that's okay (especially now since she is on a live weekly show). Her tanning can even be included.

Clothing can only be included if used for a "business purpose"--so anytime she appears in an interview, that outfit can be written off.

She can even deduct mileage for any business related travels that are not covered (and airfare too and fro from LA--if DWTS is paying for it, that is a business expense and not counted as income to her anyway)....

Let's see what else do I remember....

Not much, but you'd be surprised at what is a luxury for lay people--is a tax deduction for a celebrity.

FWIW--all those clothes that she used on J&K+8 for the kids...any that she paid for that is....

All of those can be counted as business expenses.

 

[MAKmom]

DWTS spraytans the whole cast on Mondays. They showed it one year.

 

[Dee77]

I don't think Kate got the memo about the clothing deduction because she appeared in several interviews in the same paisley dress. It was pretty though. I actually didn't think that the clothing would be a write off but then again I am not educated on the subject.

Just curious- Do the freebies they were given add value to their income that would be taxable income like a lottery winning?

 

[mhsjax]

I happen to think Kate is a strong women. You don't have to agree, because that is my opinion. I have lots of things I could point out that makes me believe that, but since you don't agree, I think it would just be a waste of time. And I don't agree with you, so if you were to point out why she isn't strong, it would be wasting your time. So we are even
All of the above you mentioned can easily be write-offs because of Kate's line of work, or even paid for by TLC. Without knowing that, I have no way of knowing if she is using the food money to tan, buy clothes, or get a pedicure. That said, I've never gotten a pedicure in my life, but those I know that do get them, do think of them as a neccesity LOL.

I was responding to another poster that called her a strong woman not you. Anyway, I really just can't go on anymore, this place makes my blood pressure go up and I can't have that, I will leave with a closing thought. If being "strong" mean you have to act like Kate. Then put me in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant, cause this woman gives truly strong, beautiful( and I don't mean in looks) a truly ugly name. And with that I am done.