Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

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What we see and what we read is all any of us has. None of us know them right? Perception is what this board is made of. We all have access to the same things (lots and lots I'm afraid) and interpret it differently. Saying they "don't hover" should really be "they don't seem to hover while being filmed for the show" right?
 

I was wondering where they got lucky and found bulk organic maple syrup..

What makes syrup organic? That they don't spray the huge trees it comes from? Is there even such a thing as organic syrup..and if so, why would there be? I can see organic veggies, wheat and flour products..but syrup? I can't wrap my brain around it to figure out how that would be organic (I don't eat organic, except for the curly leaf lettuce because I can only find that in the organic area) too expensive.

Is Kate 100% organic on all the food they eat? Or does she try to be organic? I never thought they bamboozled us. I just assumed they tried to buy organic so their kids could eat healthy. I imagine it's not so easy when you go out to eat. I'm trying to eat healthy but when I go out, it's hard, because everything has sauces, is loaded with butter, the items are made from enriched flour instead of whole wheat, etc. and I have no idea where they get their food. So when I go out, I know I'm not eating as well as I should.
 
DH & I also were wondering just how syrup is "organic". We never did come up with a good answer!:lmao:
 
What makes syrup organic? That they don't spray the huge trees it comes from? Is there even such a thing as organic syrup..and if so, why would there be? I can see organic veggies, wheat and flour products..but syrup? I can't wrap my brain around it to figure out how that would be organic (I don't eat organic, except for the curly leaf lettuce because I can only find that in the organic area) too expensive.

Is Kate 100% organic on all the food they eat? Or does she try to be organic? I never thought they bamboozled us. I just assumed they tried to buy organic so their kids could eat healthy. I imagine it's not so easy when you go out to eat. I'm trying to eat healthy but when I go out, it's hard, because everything has sauces, is loaded with butter, the items are made from enriched flour instead of whole wheat, etc. and I have no idea where they get their food. So when I go out, I know I'm not eating as well as I should.

My post was a joke btw.:lmao: (re: the bamboozled! Bulk organic and bulk natural foods are a tough commodity to find here and when I can find what I usually get in a larger size, it most often will save money. Their syrup is twice the size of the jug that I can get at my grocery store and I was like---let me know what brand it is...)

I was enamored with the large bottle of syprup and presumed it was at least maple syrup and thought it was funny that it was hungry jack.

I prefer Maple Grove Farms--but I don't think my syrup is USDA Organic.

Likely b/c they must use pesticides or something in their trees as needed.

FYI--there are people who raise their "stuff" organically, but cannot be classified as organic. Can't recall why. I think it has to be so many years that the area has been cultivated organically.:confused3

We had a local farm that did this. They were fairly new, but since the land was not historically organic it would take them a few year before they can call themselves organic.

As for Kate, I never believed they have been 100% organic. It is down near difficult to do of course.

I think their interviews have been so sliced and diced--that the general public feels that they claim 100% but they aren't. They have a lot of natural food selections that are not organic, but might have a chemical/additive free distinction. Most of our organic choices are to avoid certain ingredients that unfortunately for many years would only happen if you bought organic.

But now traditional conventional brands are modifying their recipes to offer those same choices. (I.e. we just bought the pillsbury refrigerated cookie dough that has only basic ingredients and nothing like HFCS.) They were quite delicious.

I STRONGLY suspect that is what Kate is avoiding--dyes, HFCS, preservatives and that kind of stuff.

I don't have proof though. Just what I suspect. For the longest time though--to accomplish that required more organic purchases.


Sorry if this is all jumbled, hubby is hurrying me a long and the dis will be shutting down soon. Hope it makes sense.

But to sum it up--I wasn't chastizing Kate. Just making a joke on my quest for bulk 100% maple syrup.:laughing:


I was just posting to be funny actually.
 
Oh my mistake, I guess I should have quoted ALL of DMRick's posts because that is what I was answering to. She said Jon looked like a good parent while the cameras were ON or something like that and thats what I was responding too. .
OK, so now we are all getting mixed up on you said, she said, etc.

:goodvibes Actually, I said

You are right there. Kate didn't 'act' like a parent just for the cameras. But then, I didn't think Jon did either.

You said:
but the thing is up until the break up I really thought Jon LOOKED at least on the show like the better parent. Certainly (IMHO) better than her.

I actually didn't have a problem with either of their parenting. Right now I'm not too thrilled with them, because I want them to stop giving statements, and doing stuff that makes the rag mags, but the actual hands on parenting is fine with me. They both seem to really love them.
 
I agree with a lot of this. My only real problem with Kate in this context, is that it seems like she thinks that she's the best mother that ever existed. Everyone is entitled to screw up once in a while, because being a parent is not an exact science, but it just seems like she never accepts that she did anything wrong re her kids. IMO, you can't grow as a mother, or become a better mother, if you have that attitude.

My grandmother would put Kate to shame, BTW, and she never freaked out at any kids like I've seen Kate do. She had a much harder life than Kate did, lost a child to whooping cough when he was just over 1, and it was obvious she treasured every child who crossed her path.

I think this a good way to sum up how I feel about Kate too. It's not about the mistakes she's made as a parent. I have yet to meet the perfect parent actually. It's her attitude, it is very domineering, ego-centric and unapologetic. There is no flexibility, it's her way or the highway. She treated Jon like that. And unfortunately this applies to the kids. I will say that I don't doubt that she loves them, I've never once thought that. Nor do I consider her a bad parent for not playing more with her kids.

But Kate is actually good at making things about her though. Many times on the show she gets over-dramatic and IMO it takes away from the experience of whatever trip they're on or whatever they're doing. Even though it's supposed to be about the kids. I do think that her focus is off and needs to be re-centered on them.

Part of the problem too is that this kind of reality TV is relatively new. Where else can you see a family (weekly) living their lives on camera? J&K have put themselves out there for the world to see, judge, critique and love. I'm not surprised in the least that people are critical. Comes with the territory IMO.
 
Google....:lmao:



http://www.maplevalleysyrup.com/AllsyrupOrganic.html

All Maple Syrup Organic?
No, not all maple syrup is organic!



There is a difference between organic maple syrup and non-organic maple syrup. For years health conscious consumers have seen the word “Pure” associated with maple syrup and assumed the best.Many conventional maple farmers can practice organic stewardship but Organic certification guarantees the following:



• No pesticides or chemicals were used to manage this forest.Like any crop, a forest can beand is sprayed for insect problems or have unwanted trees that can be and are killed by chemicals. The same organic standards for field crops apply to maple forest i.e. buffer zones, runoff, no fertilizers etc.. Organic certification assures no pesticides/chemicals were used.



• No formaldehyde has been used in treetapping. Recent articles in the maple press indicate widespread use of this chemical in tree tapping even though it is illegal. Organic standards do not allow the use of formaldehyde.



• A healthy forest. Organic standards limit the number of taps in maple trees. This practice sustains the health of the tree. Conventional methods can use as many taps as desired.Organic certification guarantees a wholistic approach to maple production.


okay--a bit skeeved on the formaldehyde...but not enough to buy organic (since it is illegal to use anyway :confused3)

But again--key thing, lack of pesticides.
 
The dis is shutting down, did something break?

I had to look to see where you live. Ah, Florida. I'm in the northeast where a lot of syrup comes from. OUr trees are in the woods, and most are very very tall. I'm thinking they don't spray them. But I do intend to ask Sunday, someone that makes their own syrup if there is organic syrup. Because inquiring minds want to know LOL.

Geesh, I just can't figure out which are the jokes, and which are real.

PS My mom never played with me a day in her life. I loved her daily, but she forgot to read the instruction book..or by the time she got to the third, she was all played out.


Likely b/c they must use pesticides or something in their trees as needed.

FYI--there are people who raise their "stuff" organically, but cannot be classified as organic. Can't recall why. I think it has to be so many years that the area has been cultivated organically.:confused3.
 
It's her attitude, it is very domineering, ego-centric and unapologetic. There is no flexibility, it's her way or the highway.
So many people are like this. But for both Jon and Kate, I just don't know how much is editing. I really think that TLC sat in a booth during editing, and said, just how witchy and bossy do we make her this week :rotfl:

. Even though it's supposed to be about the kids. I do think that her focus is off and needs to be re-centered on them.

I just read this on another board (are you posting over there too LOL?). Actually, the show is J & K plus 8. So it's about all of them (or it was).

J&K have put themselves out there for the world to see, judge, critique and love. I'm not surprised in the least that people are critical. Comes with the territory IMO.
You are right. I don't think that was the intention, but it's the end result. And someone said that woman are harder on woman. I have certainly found that to be true. And many commentors about this show have also said that when asked..why are the woman so hard on Kate, and not Jon.
 
She was pretty nice and was laughing and joking around. When we asked if we could take her picture she pulled out pictures from her purse that she signed and gave to us. The pictures included the whold family and Jon.

I wonder why she doesn't sign autographs? This isn't the first time we've seen her pull out a promotional picture when someone has asked. Is that normal? The only celebrity autograph I have is George Clooney's, and he signed it himself.
 
ITA with this. We don't really know what their lives were like when the cameras were turned off. And if Kate does still try for full custody, a lot of it will come down to what witnesses say about how each parent interacts with the children -- likely the children will have to testify as well.

absolutely -- and there have been reports that NEITHER parent is very involved when the cameras are turned off. so, who knows? on the show, they're both seen as active and involved.
 
I wonder why she doesn't sign autographs? This isn't the first time we've seen her pull out a promotional picture when someone has asked. Is that normal? The only celebrity autograph I have is George Clooney's, and he signed it himself.

Doesn't the person you quoted say she signed the picture where you quoted her? Uh..wouldn't that be a signed autograph?
 
:rotfl:Jon did everything for the kids? Like he is now? NO Way. Jon always has a nanny with him. He only did things if Kate made him help.

it's not really fair to compare what happened when Jon was responsible for getting the children ready for school, gave them their baths, played with them outside, etc. in addition to having a job outside the home to what their life is now. Jon has a nanny with him all the time? So does Kate.
 
absolutely -- and there have been reports that NEITHER parent is very involved when the cameras are turned off. so, who knows? on the show, they're both seen as active and involved.
Now that's something I've never read, reports that the parents aren't very involved when the camera's are off. I've certainly seen enough rag mags of Kate and Jon both in the driveway with the kids when not taping, as well as Kate about town with the kids, (with the kids drinking Starbucks drinks). We don't see them when they aren't taping, (except for the driveway shots) and I would think they have enough traveling with the kids when taping, so they spend more time at home, in the pool, inside with their parents. They don't seem to have a lot of friends in and out, and the crew isn't there when they aren't taping, so who would be telling us they are uninvolved..Stephanie maybe LOL?
 
Again--it's about how your parenting skills are irrelevant when it comes to Jon and Kate.

I agree with this -- how anyone parents is irrelevant when it comes to comparison with Jon & Kate. We all parent differently, and I'm sure each of us do something that someone else would NEVER :rolleyes: do.

The difference is, Jon & Kate (and Jim Bob & Michelle, etc) invited us into their homes and their lives. It's out there for public consumption. Part of the appeal, IMO, was that people could watch JK8 and feel like they were in the same boat with chaos at home. And let's face it, it was edited to show Kate as awful and Jon as taking it... people love to comment on that, as well! People (generally speaking ;)) saw a bit of themselves in Jon and Kate's relationship. So it's a natural tendency to compare your own parenting skills to theirs, even if your skills have nothing to do with anything.

and who hasn't felt a little parenting superiority when at grocery store or Target? :rolleyes1
 
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