Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

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I'm ready to celebrate this small victory. IMO, the children feeling like they have privacy in their own home is probably the most important thing.:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

hopefully, that's what they feel .. being filmed is all they've ever known. I'd say it will be quite an adjustment. And if Kate isn't happy about the turn of events, then I'm sure the house isn't a very fun place to be right now :(

stopping the filming of the show is one thing. stopping the media insanity is going to be the hard part as long as Jon and Kate keep airing their dirty laundry in public.
 
Yikes..I've been gone for two weeks with just brief news snippets. Wow, how will I ever catch up. I'm in the airport and will be flying home soon..but no way can I read all of this even once I'm home. I need the snynopsis..who did what to who? Did Jon really stop the filming? Is Jon lying? Is Kate lying? Is the divorce final? Do they really have tons of money? Did Jon take more than he should have? Can Kate pay the bills? Have the kids started the book? What is going on LOL? Who's side (besides the kids) should I be on, Kate or Jon's? Is he still with Haley? Has any proof come out about her and Steve? Help, I need more short upgrades LOL.
Missed you guys (not enough to spend .55 a minute, but enought LOL!!
Doris
 
i think it is sad that jon has stopped the filming. Why did he allow "filming" of the twins in his car on their birthday IF he really thinks it is in the best interest of the children??? Not only has it turned the childrens world upside down, there are no "neutral" people around to buffer him anymore. He is only jealous of Kate, her success as a good mother (he's a poor example of a father) and a successful career woman. She has a promising future, and he is bumming around. Bitten by the green eyed monster.

neutral people? who do you mean? the filming crew?
 
It surprises me that in all his interviews lately that no one has asked Jon what the kids said to him about not filming anymore or that Jon hasn't said what the kids said about it. I know what Kate said their reaction was, but I wonder if Jon talked them about it and explained why he stopped the filming. Even though it's a good thing, it's still another big change for them and I hope someone explained it to them so none of them think it's their fault or anything. You never know what kids are thinking, especially the younger ones, they might think they did something wrong or people don't like them anymore or something.

The horrible thoughts that go through all child actors' heads when they are no longer cute enough to be popular.

Jon did talk about this somewhat (although not like Kate, with names and quotes) in the first interview with Mary Hart -- he said they wanted to do the things that other children do, including sleepovers, and afterschool activities. And Jon was the only one to have been rumoured to excuse a child from filming when they didn't want to eg. when he let Mady go shopping with his mother instead of filming that day.

Have to add, I liked that he wasn't disclosing as much about his children (up until this week -- it seems with every interview, he had to come up with something new to say and finally started discussing these items) IMO, what his kids said about anything is none of my business, because it is up to their parents to make the right decisions for them. My DD hates that she has to go to bed earlier than some of her friends (she needs that much sleep) but I don't give her arguments about staying up later that much weight.
 

Please, MAKmom. I know you think Kate is an angel and Jon's the incarnation of Satan. Blatantly obvious from ALL your posts. But please stop your "Jon is on drugs" nonsense. You've been spewing this crap in all versions of the J&K threads, but you have absolutely nothing to back this up. So why continue saying this time and time again? Because it fits your agenda? Because it helps you contiue your "Jon is Satan" storyline? When people tell you to stop, you simply continue. And when people dare to say they dont like Kate, you gang up with your Kate lovers to attack them. Just as you think "Kate haters" are annoying, "Kate lovers" are equally annoying.

And to that poster who claimed Kevin and Jodi have to be the sources speaking bad about Kate: Just ridiculous. Yeah, you just do not like them and therefore pin anything on them

Proof of this forum's bias: Any article that put Jon in a bad light is believed, and dissected to death. But anyone that puts Kate in a bad light (say the reports about her diva-ness at the ice skating show), the sources have to be wrong/jealous, and the entire thing is glossed over. KATE IS NEVER WRONG!
I said Jon was on something when I first heard him on the "we're divorcing" show. He was slurring... and couldn't put a thought together.
I prefer Kate to Jon- but she sure as heck isn't perfect.
There are Jon lovers and Kate lovers here- Kind of like RedSox and Yankees...... Don't get so riled up- we are all just cyber stalking and cyber psycho analyzing the subject. NONE of us knows the "real" story and NONE of us will because we don't KNOW Jon and Kate.
 
Yikes..I've been gone for two weeks with just brief news snippets. Wow, how will I ever catch up. I'm in the airport and will be flying home soon..but no way can I read all of this even once I'm home. I need the snynopsis..who did what to who? Did Jon really stop the filming? Is Jon lying? Is Kate lying? Is the divorce final? Do they really have tons of money? Did Jon take more than he should have? Can Kate pay the bills? Have the kids started the book? What is going on LOL? Who's side (besides the kids) should I be on, Kate or Jon's? Is he still with Haley? Has any proof come out about her and Steve? Help, I need more short upgrades LOL.
Missed you guys (not enough to spend .55 a minute, but enought LOL!!
Doris

I completely know how you feel. LOL! Welcome back!

My guess, knowing how you've felt all along, is that you're siding with Kate. Jon has made some terribly stupid choices over the last few weeks, and continues to keep running his mouth :rolleyes: The kids need all the people on their side they can get, IMO. Neither of their parents seem to have their best interests or needs as a priority.

Yes. Kate can pay the bills, despite her claims to the contrary. She might have to use some of her own money, but I'm certain that the water isn't going to be turned off on Monday for non-payment.

No proof about Kate and Steve that I've seen.

Jon and Kate are both telling their version of the truth. Is that lying? No idea.

Welcome home!!! :cool1:
 
Yikes..I've been gone for two weeks with just brief news snippets. Wow, how will I ever catch up. I'm in the airport and will be flying home soon..but no way can I read all of this even once I'm home. I need the snynopsis..who did what to who? Did Jon really stop the filming? Is Jon lying? Is Kate lying? Is the divorce final? Do they really have tons of money? Did Jon take more than he should have? Can Kate pay the bills? Have the kids started the book? What is going on LOL? Who's side (besides the kids) should I be on, Kate or Jon's? Is he still with Haley? Has any proof come out about her and Steve? Help, I need more short upgrades LOL.
Missed you guys (not enough to spend .55 a minute, but enought LOL!!
Doris

My summary:
Jon told TLC they could no longer film on his property ie. at the house. TLC then suspended all filming until further notice. We don't know who's lying about anything. The divorce isn't final but they have an appointment with the arbitrator on Tuesday to discuss Kate's claims that Jon stole $230,000 from the household bank account. Kate has also filed for temporary child support and alimony -- no word yet on when/if that will be discussed. Jon is still with Haley -- no proof about Steve.

Which side should you be on? The kids' side, as you always have been. :goodvibes Hope you had a great trip.
 
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I am jumping in late on this thread but I am really disturbed by the entire Gosselin ordeal. I used to really enjoy the show and I think the kids are just so adorable. I thought Kate was harsh with Jon but then again I realized that he was a weak person. SOmetimes with weak people you have to lead them. Thats not a support of her abusive behavior though!

Jon has long been a follower and someone who makes bad choices. He followed Kate's lead for years and now he is following his "lawyer" and girlfriends lead. He clearly does not think things through before he opens his mouth. I also believe he enjoys the attention and fame.

Kate is a very controlling women who seems to burn bridges wherever she goes. My friend was on a crew for a television show she was on and said she was a very stand offish type person. Not sure if this is her being mean or just her defenses?? I will say that Kate may be strong because she HAS to. Jon never had a successful career or job stability. This is nothing against him because he had 8 kids in his 20's but still, he was not a major breadwinner. That said, if any of us woke up with 8 kids under the age of 5 we wou ld have to scramble to make a living too! I think Kate just scrambled harder than Jon and both began to resent it.

It appears to me that Jon resents Kate's success, strength and abusive behaviors. Kate resents Jon's lack of strength and wishy washy attitude.

Personally, I think that Jon is really off the rails now. As a social worker I would be concerned about the people he brings around to the children. He seems to latch on to all the wrong people and he makes really bad decisions. I have wondered about his use of substances too, although its just a hunch. He seems altered sometimes, not sure if it is stress, nerves or maybe something else?

Kate needs to stop bringing her marital business out in public forums. Lay low for a while, concentrate on her kids and focus on new projects. You know Kate gets a lot of criticism from people for hiring nannys and babysitters. But when you have 8 kids, a spouse who is traveling to Vegas and Europe with his girlfriend, and lots of expenses you HAVE to work. Single moms with less than eight kids have help, why is it her fault that she needs some too??
 
The horrible thoughts that go through all child actors' heads when they are no longer cute enough to be popular.

Jon did talk about this somewhat (although not like Kate, with names and quotes) in the first interview with Mary Hart -- he said they wanted to do the things that other children do, including sleepovers, and afterschool activities. And Jon was the only one to have been rumoured to excuse a child from filming when they didn't want to eg. when he let Mady go shopping with his mother instead of filming that day.

Have to add, I liked that he wasn't disclosing as much about his children (up until this week -- it seems with every interview, he had to come up with something new to say and finally started discussing these items) IMO, what his kids said about anything is none of my business, because it is up to their parents to make the right decisions for them. My DD hates that she has to go to bed earlier than some of her friends (she needs that much sleep) but I don't give her arguments about staying up later that much weight.

I agree, I hope he doesn't talk about the kids, I'm still surprised though that no one has asked him and that he hasn't said himself when he stops for his impromtu little Q&A's with the papparazzi. You would think if the kids were thrilled and thanking him, he'd be shouting it from the nearest rooftop with this track record lately.
 
That wasn't very nice...how do you know this isn't somebody who is actually posting for the first time on this thread?

Besides, this could be Jon finally showing up for some good advice. Applemy, I hope you've been lurking long enough to understand this statement.

So, from me:
:welcome: to the Dis Forums. :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:


:teacher:
 
Well they will not have privacy on their property as long as Jon keeps talking to Paps at the fence as well as signing autographs for his team.

Well, I did say it was a small victory.

Don't rain on my parade.:cool1::banana::yay::cheer2::cool1::banana::yay::woohoo::cheer2::banana::cool1::woohoo::yay:
 
Kate is a very controlling women who seems to burn bridges wherever she goes. My friend was on a crew for a television show she was on and said she was a very stand offish type person. Not sure if this is her being mean or just her defenses??

"warm and fuzzy" are not words I'd use to describe Kate. I think that's just who she is. she behaved similarly when she spoke here. from where I was sitting in the church, I could see Kate standing (outside of the sanctuary) with her publicist (I think?) and 2 people from the church before she came in to speak and not once did she smile or engage any of them in conversation. She did not look happy to be there, from my vantage point.

I will say that Kate may be strong because she HAS to. Jon never had a successful career or job stability. This is nothing against him because he had 8 kids in his 20's but still, he was not a major breadwinner. That said, if any of us woke up with 8 kids under the age of 5 we wou ld have to scramble to make a living too! I think Kate just scrambled harder than Jon and both began to resent it.


Jon and Kate chose to try the fertility treatment again after having twins. They knew raising children was expensive .. and they knew becoming pregnant with multiples was a very real possibility when they tried again. They didn't just wake up with 8 children under the age of 5. If finances were a concern, they could have waited to have more children....build savings and other resources first. I get so sick of people making excuses for Jon having children in his 20's. That's a cop out.. it has nothing to do with anything. People have children in their teens and work hard to provide for their family. If Kate was so concerned about Jon's ability to keep a job, then she could have gone back to work as a nurse and Jon could have stayed home with the children. Heck, Jon could have done IT work from home! As a parent, you do whatever it takes to provide for your family ... work at McDonald's as a 2nd job, etc.

IMO, neither of them wanted that life. They shopped their home video around, and Discovery Health liked it. For a brief period of time, Jon and Kate Gosselin won the lottery. They had it all.

It appears to me that Jon resents Kate's success, strength and abusive behaviors. Kate resents Jon's lack of strength and wishy washy attitude.

makes me wonder what attracted them to each other in the first place, LOL

Personally, I think that Jon is really off the rails now. As a social worker I would be concerned about the people he brings around to the children. He seems to latch on to all the wrong people and he makes really bad decisions. I have wondered about his use of substances too, although its just a hunch. He seems altered sometimes, not sure if it is stress, nerves or maybe something else?

good points!

Kate needs to stop bringing her marital business out in public forums. Lay low for a while, concentrate on her kids and focus on new projects. You know Kate gets a lot of criticism from people for hiring nannys and babysitters. But when you have 8 kids, a spouse who is traveling to Vegas and Europe with his girlfriend, and lots of expenses you HAVE to work. Single moms with less than eight kids have help, why is it her fault that she needs some too??

The issue of not-a-nannies has been around long before the divorce. For a time, Kate was the one who was traveling and Jon was the one who needed help with the children. What I don't understand is why they need help 24/7 now that the children are older? Not a criticism, just a curiosity? They don't need diapers changed, potty training, etc. 5 and 9 year olds can do many things for themselves and shouldn't need constant supervision.

The Gosselin's living expenses can be cut. that's been discussed here many times. the fact of the matter is that Kate and Jon like their current lifestyle. their lifestyle takes a lot of $$. they should be the ones doing the work to maintain it, not their children.
 
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The issue of not-a-nannies has been around long before the divorce. For a time, Kate was the one who was traveling and Jon was the one who needed help with the children. What I don't understand is why they need help 24/7 now that the children are older? Not a criticism, just a curiosity? They don't need diapers changed, potty training, etc. 5 and 9 year olds can do many things for themselves and shouldn't need constant supervision.

The Gosselin's living expenses can be cut. that's been discussed here many times. the fact of the matter is that Kate and Jon like their current lifestyle. their lifestyle takes a lot of $$. they should be the ones doing the work to maintain it, not their children.

I can understand why they need help now that they are not together. Traditional large families have the kids spread out like the Duggars. They have built in help with the older kids.

I could not take care of 6 kids the same age by myself. I could not take them everywhere with me alone.
 
I could not take care of 6 kids the same age by myself. I could not take them everywhere with me alone.

why not? they're old enough to buckle seat belts, walk unassisted, potty, follow directions, etc. Where it might get tricky would be crossing a busy street, cutting up food at a restaurant, or navigating them all through security at an airport.

I'm not denying the need for help, but not constant nanny supervision. ... but most schools have a higher student to teacher ratio than Kate or Jon Gosselin has children to parent. LOL.
 
why not? they're old enough to buckle seat belts, walk unassisted, potty, follow directions, etc. Where it might get tricky would be crossing a busy street, cutting up food at a restaurant, or navigating them all through security at an airport.

I'm not denying the need for help, but not constant nanny supervision. ... but most schools have a higher student to teacher ratio than Kate or Jon Gosselin has children to parent. LOL.


I know some people could do it & do a great job. Not me:laughing: I would be an awful teacher too.

I think with 6 five year old kids together you need someone in the room with them all the time.

You could schlep them everywhere but it would be so much work. Kate still has them in car seats. I would not be able to shop with that many kids.

My youngest 2 girls were 3 & 5 before my DH took them alone in the car :rolleyes:
 
why not? they're old enough to buckle seat belts, walk unassisted, potty, follow directions, etc. Where it might get tricky would be crossing a busy street, cutting up food at a restaurant, or navigating them all through security at an airport.

I'm not denying the need for help, but not constant nanny supervision. ... but most schools have a higher student to teacher ratio than Kate or Jon Gosselin has children to parent. LOL.

I've seen the nanny apparently alone with all 8 kids. She's the one 'doing it all alone' on her shift anyway.
 
IMO, neither of them wanted that life. They shopped their home video around, and Discovery Health liked it. For a brief period of time, Jon and Kate Gosselin won the lottery. They had it all.

It's not a big deal, but I'm curious. Did they shop themselves around? Like a make a tape and send it out and everything? I thought I had heard or read that Discovery heard about them and came to them with the idea of a documentary? Or maybe that Discovery found them from that homemaker show they were on? I can't remember exactly.


And about wondering what ever attracted them to each other. I've often wondered that, but when I watch earlier videos of them and video from their wedding and honeymoon at WDW, Kate seems alot more carefree back then. She also seemed very young to me, in those early videos they seem much more suited to each other than now. Some people totally change when they have kids...it most definitely seems to have changed Kate. Kate and Jon don't seem to have "grown" well together.
 
I know some people could do it & do a great job. Not me:laughing: I would be an awful teacher too.

I think with 6 five year old kids together you need someone in the room with them all the time.

You could schlep them everywhere but it would be so much work. Kate still has them in car seats. I would not be able to shop with that many kids.

My youngest 2 girls were 3 & 5 before my DH took them alone in the car :rolleyes:

well, if you were the parent of 6 children of the same age, it might be easier because you're living it, KWIM? You'd adjust to what you (as the parent) could and couldn't do... generally speaking.

and I do agree about the shopping. I'd work that around the preschool schedule.
 
My summary:
Jon told TLC they could no longer film on his property ie. at the house. TLC then suspended all filming until further notice. We don't know who's lying about anything. The divorce isn't final but they have an appointment with the arbitrator on Tuesday to discuss Kate's claims that Jon stole $230,000 from the household bank account. Kate has also filed for temporary child support and alimony -- no word yet on when/if that will be discussed. Jon is still with Haley -- no proof about Steve.

Which side should you be on? The kids' side, as you always have been. :goodvibes Hope you had a great trip.

Did you read this!? This should not be someone's real life, it should be a soap opera. Ridiculous.
 
It's not a big deal, but I'm curious. Did they shop themselves around? Like a make a tape and send it out and everything? I thought I had heard or read that Discovery heard about them and came to them with the idea of a documentary? Or maybe that Discovery found them from that homemaker show they were on? I can't remember exactly.

It has been widely speculated, and quite possibly confirmed (although I can't find a link to back it up. I'm still looking :upsidedow) that the home videos contain wording that suggest Kate & Jon were sending it to outside - other than family - sources. That is how they were "discovered" by Discovery Health. Again, I don't have the sources to back that up. But for as long as I've been following the Gosselins, that's been my understanding.


And about wondering what ever attracted them to each other. I've often wondered that, but when I watch earlier videos of them and video from their wedding and honeymoon at WDW, Kate seems alot more carefree back then. She also seemed very young to me, in those early videos they seem much more suited to each other than now. Some people totally change when they have kids...it most definitely seems to have changed Kate. Kate and Jon don't seem to have "grown" well together.

I agree.
 
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