Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[redrosesix]

At least Kate does present herself in a civilized manner in the email:

She states according to Jon's reading:

Due to the recent events, it will be too stressful for the kids to have both of us here as originally planned. I would like to split the evening so they can see us both. I would appreciate if you would pick them up at the bus stop tomorrow at 4 and stay till 6.

She isn't demanding or hateful. I didn't think about them being in school, so really the time split would be fair considering it is a school night. And as others have said, maybe for now that would be better than watching/hearing them scowl and growl at each other.

But if he accedes to her demands, does that give Kate permission to reduce his time with the kids to 2 hours on Christmas Day, does that mean that he can cut her time on the tups' birthday to 2 hours? A dangerous precedent to set just before they go into divorce court. And is it fair to the girls to give them one day's notice that you're going to unilaterally change what has been agreed to re spending birthdays and holidays with their parents?

It would be different, and much more civil, if Kate were to say that she would choose to spend only 2 hours with the girls on their birthday so that they didn't have to be together.

IMO, if they could pretend they were married for 6 months, they can pretend they get along for 6 hours.

 

[Plannin'Shannon]

He also says that things are "really good" between him and girlfriend Hailey Glassman and that she hasn't been seen recently because she hates the media spotlight.

Guess that answers my question. And she hates the spotlight? That's news to me.

I feel so badly for Cara and Mady. I remember hearing that Jon and Kate took them to WDW for their birthday last year, sans cameras. That must have been such a special trip for them. I'm sure those memories feel pretty bittersweet right now.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

But if he accedes to her demands, does that give Kate permission to reduce his time with the kids to 2 hours on Christmas Day, does that mean that he can cut her time on the tups' birthday to 2 hours? A dangerous precedent to set just before they go into divorce court. And is it fair to the girls to give them one day's notice that you're going to unilaterally change what has been agreed to re spending birthdays and holidays with their parents?

It would be different, and much more civil, if Kate were to say that she would choose to spend only 2 hours with the girls on their birthday so that they didn't have to be together.

IMO, if they could pretend they were married for 6 months, they can pretend they get along for 6 hours.

I agree they should be able to get along for 6 hours but given what has transpired this week, I think that is too much for both of them.

Kate did not "demand" anything. She made a suggestion that gives them both an opportunity to be there. Jon said last night that she would go into her room when he is there. So that give him 2 hours and her the same once he is gone assuming it is early to bed on a school night.

Maybe it is so bad, the kids would prefer separate time. Who knows?

 

[1stluvispooh]

But if he accedes to her demands, does that give Kate permission to reduce his time with the kids to 2 hours on Christmas Day, does that mean that he can cut her time on the tups' birthday to 2 hours? A dangerous precedent to set just before they go into divorce court. And is it fair to the girls to give them one day's notice that you're going to unilaterally change what has been agreed to re spending birthdays and holidays with their parents?

It would be different, and much more civil, if Kate were to say that she would choose to spend only 2 hours with the girls on their birthday so that they didn't have to be together.

IMO, if they could pretend they were married for 6 months, they can pretend they get along for 6 hours.

ITA

Also it boils down to do you love your kids more than you hate your soon to be ex spouse. IMO the answer should be yes!

 

[walden]

My home PC died (RIP) on Thursday evening, so I've been playing catchup on a loaner PC yesterday and today. All this happened in 6 days? I have no comments on specifics because I haven't fully caught up yet and have not watched all the videos. And I'm not sure I want to catch up from what I have seen so far. Have these parents no shame? Or concern for the children? Stop talking!

I'm really glad there is a moritorium on filming the Gosselin kids. I don't need to see that pain. And neither do any of us.

Just a suggestion: Can we all keep our focus on the well-being of those 8 children? This has to be h*ll for them. I'm not sure I care about either parent any more

I want a GAL for those children. Soonest! They should be protected from both parents at this time. Neither is thinking of the children, the kids are mere pawns in the divorce. So sad.

 

[hbkfan637]

At least Kate does present herself in a civilized manner in the email:

She states according to Jon's reading:

Due to the recent events, it will be too stressful for the kids to have both of us here as originally planned. I would like to split the evening so they can see us both. I would appreciate if you would pick them up at the bus stop tomorrow at 4 and stay till 6.

She isn't demanding or hateful. I didn't think about them being in school, so really the time split would be fair considering it is a school night. And as others have said, maybe for now that would be better than watching/hearing them scowl and growl at each other.

ITA! Did anyone see this?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/exclusive-part-kates-email-jon-gosselin-didnt-read

According to that article, Jon didn't read to the paps the part where Kate offered extra time (her time) during the weekend. It would be a miracle if these two don't fight or if the kids don't feel the tension if Jon and Kate are together. JMO, but I think Jon is too concerned about "never giving in to Kate again" to see that she may have a valid point.

 

[hbkfan637]

But if he accedes to her demands, does that give Kate permission to reduce his time with the kids to 2 hours on Christmas Day, does that mean that he can cut her time on the tups' birthday to 2 hours? A dangerous precedent to set just before they go into divorce court. And is it fair to the girls to give them one day's notice that you're going to unilaterally change what has been agreed to re spending birthdays and holidays with their parents?

It would be different, and much more civil, if Kate were to say that she would choose to spend only 2 hours with the girls on their birthday so that they didn't have to be together.

IMO, if they could pretend they were married for 6 months, they can pretend they get along for 6 hours.

Did I miss something? Where or who said they pretended for 6 months?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

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Did I miss something? Where or who said they pretended for 6 months?

Correct me if I'm wrong--but they did.

Their marriage was on the outs prior to the "big announcement" on TLC. Friction was obvious in show edits and couch interviews plus Jon had his few transgressions of foolishness.

They announced what--in May, was it? They have been on the way out since they bought the house pretty much.

I don't have the energy to dig--but they were civil prior to the divorce when things were not going well, so why can't they be civil on a special day in their children's lives?

 

[Starbrite]

ITA! Did anyone see this?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/exclusive-part-kates-email-jon-gosselin-didnt-read

According to that article, Jon didn't read to the paps the part where Kate offered extra time (her time) during the weekend. It would be a miracle if these two don't fight or if the kids don't feel the tension if Jon and Kate are together. JMO, but I think Jon is too concerned about "never giving in to Kate again" to see that she may have a valid point.

Guess he left that part out, huh . I agree, no matter what she said right now he would probably disagree just because.

Now, she may have an ulterior motive behind this offer. She has plans & needs a sitter, girls night out, could be anything.

 

[momx2]

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That is my understanding of how a Common Wealth States works. There are only a few in the US. I only know this because my nephew destroyed my SIL, his aunts house in VA. They called the police. Later when they tried to drop the charges they were told it was a state matter because VA is a Common Wealth

Okay, I don't normally post here, but I just have to respond because this drives me crazy. MAKmom, I'm really don't mean to pick on you because I know you believe this to be true, but it is a common misconception in Virginia and Kentucky. Both of these states are call the "Commonwealth of _______". Commonwealth, in and of itself, means absolutely nothing in regards to the law being one way or another. Any state can prosecute a crime without the victim wanting it pursued. It happens all the time in every state in the union. What your family was told was probably that "the Commonwealth" is prosecuting anyway or "picked up the charges." People just say Commonwealth because the state refers to itself as such. If you were in New York or any other state they would say the "state picked up the charges." When people hear Commonwealth they assume it must be different than any other states, but it's not.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Now, she may have an ulterior motive behind this offer. She has plans & needs a sitter, girls night out, could be anything.

But does it really matter if she had a motive for offering Jon extra time over the weekend? Perhaps she truly is thinking of the twins and wants them to have a nice birthday. The point is he didn't read that part to the paps and leaving out part of it is no different than lying, IMO. Given these are the facts.

Can you guys see the time on the text, does it say 5:50 am? And he just got it then as he walking hours later.

 

[Plannin'Shannon]

Did anyone else just watch Jon's ET! segment? He revealed that he hears every "bad" thing Kate says about him to the children because "Mady can't keep a secret" and calls him every time it happens.

How much more dirty laundry do you need to air, Jon? I pray that neither the twins nor their friends at school watched that interview.

 

[OhMari]

But does it really matter if she had a motive for offering Jon extra time over the weekend? Perhaps she truly is thinking of the twins and wants them to have a nice birthday. The point is he didn't read that part to the paps and leaving out part of it is no different than lying, IMO. Given these are the facts.

Of course Jon is going to leave that part out. Otherwise he won't get sympathy.

When Kate told Meredith on the Today show, back in July, that she will spend every holiday, birthday with her children, she was making a demand to herself. I can't speak as a divorced parents, but I'm sure it is every divorced parents wish, to be able to have that kind of situation. And, the only way, it can happen, is if they stop bickering and fighting and talking to the press, instead of to each other.

 

[themilesfamily]

But does it really matter if she had a motive for offering Jon extra time over the weekend? Perhaps she truly is thinking of the twins and wants them to have a nice birthday. The point is he didn't read that part to the paps and leaving out part of it is no different than lying, IMO. Given these are the facts.

Okay you guys, I have been so busy today and am having a really hard time keeping up.

Did you say that Jon read Kate's e-mail about the birthday arrangements to the PAPARAZZI??? Do you mean like the paparazzi that follows him around? Why would he do this?

 

[djm99]

OK I'm kind of new to this thread (I posted maybe 100 or so pages ago), but I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

This whole Jon & Kate divorce is a 'hot mess'. Do you know what my favorite day as a high school kid was? My graduation day. Not because I was leaving high school or heading off to college. It was because that was the FIRST time my parents were able to stay in a room without fighting like cats and dogs. My parents divorced when I was like 3 and my youngest memory is them arguing - over my 4th birthday.

I can't imagine what those kids are going thru - they have "home videos" of their parents divorce.

Many can claim Jon is selfish for stopping the show, but the show shouldn't have started production this season. I was a fan of the show, and I could see this separation/divorce coming many years ago (particularly that Christmas Shopping episode - Jon should have left THAT day). I've seen Jon as being caged for a long time. IMO, he shouldn't have left his job. I'm surprised their marriage lasted 3 years after he left. He had no solace. Even Kate found solace (a life) in writing books and going on tour. Jon was like a caged Lion. Once he was let go (from under Kate's control) - he acted like a wild, hungry animal.

And before someone jumps down on me for the 'solace' comment. EVERY parent needs a life outside of their kids. As a once SAHM of two, I can't imagine my entire life was my kids. I do believe Jon when he did that interview about him not being able to just hang out with friends and discouraged against visiting his family.

Last thing, for those that are old time fans, do you remember Jon's 30th Birthday episode when Kate surprised him with a trip to Key West Florida (the whole Key Lime Pie Dinner thing). I remember Kate specifically saying that THEY (Jon & Kate) needed that kind of break FOR THEIR MARRIAGE. What happen to that? I wouldn’t be surprised to learn they haven’t done that since his birthday. If they spent quarter the time trying to be husband and wife as they did being mom and dad maybe this mess wouldn’t be happening.

IMO, people forget that marriage takes work.

 

[beattyfamily]

He's on ET again right now talking about the email....

He's back in NYC too.

 

[redrosesix]

Did anyone else just watch Jon's ET! segment? He revealed that he hears every "bad" thing Kate says about him to the children because "Mady can't keep a secret" and calls him every time it happens.

How much more dirty laundry do you need to air, Jon? I pray that neither the twins nor their friends at school watched that interview.

ITA! But I would apply it to both of them equally.

But Jon didn't need to tell us that -- we could have all guessed that one, at least those of us who have had 8 yo girls. Why does it sometimes seem like these people think they invented having kids?

 

[Starbrite]

Did anyone else just watch Jon's ET! segment? He revealed that he hears every "bad" thing Kate says about him to the children because "Mady can't keep a secret" and calls him every time it happens.

How much more dirty laundry do you need to air, Jon? I pray that neither the twins nor their friends at school watched that interview.

It's just now started here.
He sounds so mean & angry. Can't he express what he wants to say in a nicer tone? Poor Mary Hart, I wouldn't want to be sitting there across from him. He's sounds like a loose cannon!

Can you guys see the time on the text, does it say 5:50 am? And he just got it then as he walking hours later.

Good Eye He was just waiting for someone to approach him so he could start flapping his gums.

 

[themilesfamily]

He's on ET again right now talking about the email....

He's back in NYC too.

Okay, I just saw the TMZ video of him whipping out his blackberry and reading Kate's e-mail to the paparazzi OUT ON THE STREET. What a total loser.

So this is what Kate gets for communicating with him directly rather than through attorneys, (which is what Jon said he wanted on Larry King) -- she has her private e-mail read verbatim, (leaving out the parts that make her look good of course), to the paparazzi on the street.

Jon needs to shut up. Kate needs to shut up. These two need to stop talking to reporters, paparazzi, etc. NOW. No, I mean YESTERDAY. Why are they DOING this? Is it that hard to keep your lip zipped? Especially about extremely personal matters?

 

[Starbrite]

Did you say that Jon read Kate's e-mail about the birthday arrangements to the PAPARAZZI??? Do you mean like the paparazzi that follows him around? Why would he do this?

I'm starting to think he's the one stalking the paparazzi!! He was hanging around outside just waiting for someone to show up.

Did anyone else just watch Jon's ET! segment? He revealed that he hears every "bad" thing Kate says about him to the children because "Mady can't keep a secret" and calls him every time it happens.

How much more dirty laundry do you need to air, Jon? I pray that neither the twins nor their friends at school watched that interview.

He can't even keep their birthday presents secret? He felt the need to share that too?