Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[Dax]

Ok, I have been foloowing along for a while...and I just noticed a few things..

After watching this past episode..It almost looked like Jon could not stand being left alone with the girls..he just looked...bored...its sad really..

Now Kate, she seems to be on a whole new life experience...I wish her well...

Jon complaining about losing his 20's...I really dont think he wants the kids anymore..I think he knows they will be a burden to him for his entire life....He will never admit that, but admitting he despises Kate is just the first step...

 

[Zandy595]

Jon is an idiot! Man up dude!

He didn't have to take it when Kate belittled him during the marriage. He has a voice and could've nipped it in the bud in the beginning. Nobody is going to feel sorry for him now. The only thing he's accomplising with this interview is making himself look really bad and hurting his children.



I haven't been on this thread in a while so forgive me if I'm asking something that has been covered already. Where does Kate stay when she's not at the house?

 

[madge]

I haven't been on this thread in a while so forgive me if I'm asking something that has been covered already. Where does Kate stay when she's not at the house?

this weekend, she stayed at the Homewood Suites in Reading. Somehow, she's managed to avoid the media on the weekends most of the time .. so no one really knows where she's staying.

 

[newtodis]

Here's the link to GMA again.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/jon-gosselin-marriage-kate-exclusive-interview/story?id=8491733

 

[newtodis]

Jon Gosselin bemoaned to ABC News' Chris Cuomo how he's gone from "America's favorite dad to dirt-bag" and how he could go back to being the favorite dad again after the sit-down with "Good Morning America."

Fat chance, pal.

"Whatever they want to write, let them write it," Gosselin told Cuomo in an interview that aired Tuesday. "They're going to write it anyway. I've learned that lesson."

Hello. Jon? Wake up, buddy, you and your soon-to-be ex are part of the problem. Big time.

Sure, there's a paparazzi frenzy surrounding the entire Gosselin clan these days, and that's unfortunate, especially for the cute kids caught in the middle of this mess.

But, let's not forget that both Jon and Kate, of TLC's "Jon & Kate Plus 8" fame have also fed into and capitalized off of the frenzy.

Since their marriage fell apart on TV, which coincidentally and sadly happened at a time when the rest of the celebrity world was in hibernation, the couple have generated more online clicks and sold more magazines than anyone.

Ask yourself, did anyone think about Ed Hardy clothing before Jon turned up sporting the gear everywhere?

Each has given exclusive interviews for magazines, each has gone on TV to discuss the story, and each time the picture gets uglier and uglier.

"We film it separately," Gosselin said of the TLC show, which has been losing audience since the marriage flap surfaced. "She has her film crew. And I have my film crew. But I can't sit on the sofa with that woman. I can't sit on someone right now that I despise.

"I despise [her] because she's not speaking from the heart," he said. "Please — the stuff you tell me in private should be the stuff you tell me on TV."

Hello, earth to Jon, this is TV, and even though you say its real life — and TLC sells it that way — no one really believes what happens on TV is real life. It's not.

Please, not to take sides, but maybe Kate was right, you may have been abducted by aliens. Kate, in a statement to ABC, said she believed there is a line between the TV life and private life.

"While I certainly have a very different perception of how our marriage dissolved, for the sake of my children I maintain that I'm not going to go into details of aspects I believe should remain private," Kate Gosselin, 34, said in the statement.

Later, when asked about rumors that Kate may have had an affair with her body guard, Jon, rather than take the high road — do either know what that is? — stirs the fire.

"I speculate, but I don't know — that's a general feel. You know, almost like when they were traveling together, I felt jealous," he told ABC. "Here, I'm Mr. Mom. And then there's some other guy traveling with my wife. Whether it's protection or not, it's all in — it's in the back of my mind."

As with everything, the couple always throw the kids into the mix, because, you know, they're doing all of this for the kids — the kids that got them on TV in the first place — and not to protect their franchise and paychecks.

Jon denies he left Kate for Hailey Glassman, who he says he loves.

"I have so much to lose ... in this situation," Gosselin, 32, said. "I could lose custody, I could lose my kids, I could lose — but I feel like with [Glassman] that I'm not going to lose them. It's just going to get better."

Better for who? The kids?

For a short period of time, Jon and Kate were America's favorite TV couple, and now they're the folks we all hope don't show up for the neighborhood block party.

If they really cared about the kids — as each says over and over — they would know enough to simply shut up.

TLC, of course, should take some of the blame too for continuing the series.

Stop the show now. End the madness.

Jon will never be America's favorite dad, nor will Kate be America's favorite mom. They both smell in this story.

And, Jon, there's one way for both of you to end it. Go away.

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2...morning_america_interview_i_despise_kate.html

 

[DWGal210]

Wow. The Primetime show tonight is going to be something. Jon is very angry and belligerent. Chris Cumo even tried to tell him to be careful, that saying he despised Kate was going too far and Jon argued with him, said he (Chris Cumo) didn't know the answer.

I wonder what he meant by "Kate needs to speak from the heart, she needs to say things the same things in public that she says to him in private."

The "I lost my 20's" thing has gotten very old...and I've noticed that he never adds "but I have eight great kids that I love so it was worth it." He just sounds whiney to me and immature, he needs to get over it because the more he says it, the more it sounds like he's really saying "I lost my party time to have a bunch of kids and I regret it."

I was just going to post about your above comments. You hit the nail on the head. It made my stomach turn a bit when I read this comments about losing his 20s...nice, Jon. I'm sure your kids would be happy to know what a burden they have been to your enjoyment of your life. What he probably meant was, "We got married young, had kids young and that took its toll" but instead he comes off like the kids are cramping his style. Nice guy.

 

[madge]

Better for who? The kids?

For a short period of time, Jon and Kate were America's favorite TV couple, and now they're the folks we all hope don't show up for the neighborhood block party.

If they really cared about the kids — as each says over and over — they would know enough to simply shut up.

TLC, of course, should take some of the blame too for continuing the series.

Stop the show now. End the madness.

Jon will never be America's favorite dad, nor will Kate be America's favorite mom. They both smell in this story.

And, Jon, there's one way for both of you to end it. Go away.

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2...morning_america_interview_i_despise_kate.html

BINGO. Just. Shut. Up.

and why does Kate have to issue a PUBLIC statement that she's keeping things PRIVATE?

 

[Promomx2]

BINGO. Just. Shut. Up.

and why does Kate have to issue a PUBLIC statement that she's keeping things PRIVATE?

Thank you!! As soon as the camera started, Kate lost private.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Whoa...just saw part of the Jon interview on Good Morning America. It's going to be interesting to see the whole thing. I can't believe that on national television he would say that he despises her. She is still the mother of his children and someday his kids are going to hear him say things like that (if they haven't already). I agree that she was verbally abusive at times but his argument that "I got married at 22, had twins at 24 and sextuplets at 27" is just old. Not sure if those are the right ages by the way. Grow up and be a parent. That's no excuse. Yes, I can't imagine how hard and stressful it must be having multiples, but I don't think he was forced to have those children. I think the interview is supposed to be him telling his side so that we feel sorry for him but honestly he must have a crappy publicist from what I saw this AM.

Yes, the "I lost my twenties" drivel is beyond old. I hope at some point Jon can refocuse and realize how blessed he is to have 8 healthy children and end up enjoying his thirties.

I think Jon despises Kate right now because, as he says "he has become American's #1 dirtbag" and he blames her for that. I have said it before...Jon is mostly to blame for his destroyed public image. However much they may despise each other, I hope they can both get a handle on it for the kids.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Whoa...just saw part of the Jon interview on Good Morning America. It's going to be interesting to see the whole thing. I can't believe that on national television he would say that he despises her. She is still the mother of his children and someday his kids are going to hear him say things like that (if they haven't already). I agree that she was verbally abusive at times but his argument that "I got married at 22, had twins at 24 and sextuplets at 27" is just old. Not sure if those are the right ages by the way. Grow up and be a parent. That's no excuse. Yes, I can't imagine how hard and stressful it must be having multiples, but I don't think he was forced to have those children. I think the interview is supposed to be him telling his side so that we feel sorry for him but honestly he must have a crappy publicist from what I saw this AM.

Wow. Just wow. I can't believe he said that he despises her. Wow. That's low.

But I sometimes feel the same way about some of the things Kate says about him. IMO, both of these parents love their kids, but the kids are really going to resent some things when they get older -- it's not like any normal divorce, where kids just might forget some of the negative comments, because all of these statements will be available on video forever.

Agreed. They should both keep their yapper s-h-u-t. Period.

I agree that his argument about having kids at whatever age he was just sounds ridiculous, imo. It's not like they had unplanned pregnancies for goodness' sake! They went for fertility treatments to have the kids! He was certainly a willing participant! And then they went for more after having the twins.

No kidding! What, did Kate drug him, take him to the fertility clinic and extract some of his best 'guys'? I think not! He knew what was happening and IMO he probably would love to go back and do it all differently.

Wow. The Primetime show tonight is going to be something. Jon is very angry and belligerent. Chris Cumo even tried to tell him to be careful, that saying he despised Kate was going too far and Jon argued with him, said he (Chris Cumo) didn't know the answer.

I wonder what he meant by "Kate needs to speak from the heart, she needs to say things the same things in public that she says to him in private."

The "I lost my 20's" thing has gotten very old...and I've noticed that he never adds "but I have eight great kids that I love so it was worth it." He just sounds whiney to me and immature, he needs to get over it because the more he says it, the more it sounds like he's really saying "I lost my party time to have a bunch of kids and I regret it."

What a loser. I'm sorry, that sounds harsh but he really is. I was telling DH about this and he said Jon is such a pansy, why didn't he just speak up if he was upset with Kate's treatment of him? Why whine and complain now that he was 'abused' and lost his 20's because (gasp!) he chose to have kids. Get a grip Jon.

This guy is beyond stupid and selfish. Stuff happens in life and not everyone has a 20s where they went out and partied, and it's not something you can just go back and do. He's not making up for his 20s, he's just looking like an old fat drunk at the bar. The moron is missing out on his 30s and probably going to have bridges burnt with his kids running his mouth like that.

True, very true.

I was just going to post about your above comments. You hit the nail on the head. It made my stomach turn a bit when I read this comments about losing his 20s...nice, Jon. I'm sure your kids would be happy to know what a burden they have been to your enjoyment of your life. What he probably meant was, "We got married young, had kids young and that took its toll" but instead he comes off like the kids are cramping his style. Nice guy.

Exactly. He has 8 beautiful children, 6 of which were preemies and all are healthy. That is a huge blessing, huge. You're right, his kids will read his comments one day and think they were a burden, robbing their Dad of his fun 20's. I really don't think he realizes it. It's too bad because it's always been obvious to me that they love him and now it's looking like he may want to just fly the coop all together. I sincerely hope not.

BINGO. Just. Shut. Up.

and why does Kate have to issue a PUBLIC statement that she's keeping things PRIVATE?

Totally agree with you Madge. That's like having a press conference to say that they have nothing to say!

Bottom line, I think this interview was yet another way for Jon to hurt Kate (whether it be because he feels abused or angry that the public is in her favor at the moment). I also think he wants OUT of the show. I wonder how TLC feels about this interview...

 

[redrosesix]

I was just going to post about your above comments. You hit the nail on the head. It made my stomach turn a bit when I read this comments about losing his 20s...nice, Jon. I'm sure your kids would be happy to know what a burden they have been to your enjoyment of your life. What he probably meant was, "We got married young, had kids young and that took its toll" but instead he comes off like the kids are cramping his style. Nice guy.

ITA! Anybody who can't pull off a simple sentence and make it sound good (let's face it, we can all do it) does not belong in the public spotlight -- time for him to go back to talking to computers. However, I truly believed that he believed what he said about the show ie. that their marriage was better before the show (although the first few years are the best part of many marriages), whereas Kate said the show had nothing to do with their problems.

I'm reserving my opinion on Kate's career path until after The View, but IMO she doesn't have much of a future either.

 

[kidshop]

Just going by what is written here (I didn't watch) I don't think Jon did anything worse than Kate has already done. She trashed him over and over via People mag and TV interviews for weeks now. Yep, she was more quiet about it and more subtle, but is there any doubt she has depised Jon for years based on her behavior toward him on the show that got nastier and nastier? The aliens, the 15 y/o comment, the hope she would one day meet a real man...all equally as bad as Jon saying he couldn't sit next to someone he despised right now.

Jon has up until now not said one thing against Kate. She has been all over talking about Jon, but somehow that has already been forgotten.

I also wanted to add that Jon seemed to have feelings for Kate (jealous of the bodyguard, going to counseling, using a strong word..despise) suggesting to me that he did love her recently. Kate has moved on to indifference if she ever really did love him. It seems easy for her to leave people behind (all those she has apparently cut out of her life), where Jon is MAD. He is completely inappropriate, but I do think he is being honest....way too honest, but it all follows along with what he has said happened. Kate decided they were done. He's headed down the path to destruction all we can do it watch him do it to himself.

 

[allison443]

I have the radio on, listening to a news radio station. They mentioned Jon's interview and played a clip. He was asked about Kate still wearing her wedding ring, and why doesn't he wear his ring. He said Kate took his ring! The interviewer said - huh? and Jon said something like he took his ring off and put it down somewhere, and the next day it was missing.

I really don't think he handles himself well in interviews, comments, etc.

 

[cabanafrau]

Just going by what is written here (I didn't watch) I don't think Jon did anything worse than Kate has already done. She trashed him over and over via People mag and TV interviews for weeks now. Yep, she was more quiet about it and more subtle, but is there any doubt she has depised Jon for years based on her behavior toward him on the show that got nastier and nastier? The aliens, the 15 y/o comment, the hope she would one day meet a real man...all equally as bad as Jon saying he couldn't sit next to someone he despised right now.

Jon has up until now not said one thing against Kate. She has been all over talking about Jon, but somehow that has already been forgotten.

IMO, his actions have done plenty of talking for him.

I don't think either one is blameless but one of them seems to struggle with responsibility an awful lot. Okay, it's all gone to heck in a handbasket -- you've still got 8 kids to raise! Shut up, suck it up & put them first. Oh yeah, wah for me. I missed my childhood ... er twenties. She was mean & abusive to me . . . and she took my ring.

Nobody needs to know that. Focus on finding a way to make this all right for your kids -- who are in their ACTUAL childhood!

 

[missypie]

He dispises her for not saying in public what she says in private? Hello...he wants to be trashed in public? I guess to make her the villian again?

I think it's time for me to stop watching the show. When I found out about the divorce, I thought it could be a very beneficial show for all of the families who make things work out well in spite of divorce...it could help the thousands of kids who have less than storybook lives to see another family making the best of it....But they aren't making the best of it and I don't think we should be watching them mess up their lives anymore.

 

[momrek06]

This is getting just so beyond sad. Now for Jon to publicly admit on TV that
he despises her....just disturbing.

 

[newtodis]

Just going by what is written here (I didn't watch)

Jon has up until now not said one thing against Kate. She has been all over talking about Jon, but somehow that has already been forgotten.

Kate has moved on to indifference if she ever really did love him. It seems easy for her to leave people behind (all those she has apparently cut out of her life), where Jon is MAD.

I didn't watch the interview either - totally forgot today was Tuesday honestly! - so I'm just going by what's been here as well.

Re: what's been said....I think both Jon and Kate have "trashed" each other or made unkind comments to the media about each other. Anyone could make a comment and read into it and take it the wrong way. I honestly worry about that often - when I say something or someone says something and I'm not sure how to take it. An example here was Kate was talking about a strong man or something in one of the interviews. I took it as more of a slam to Hailey that she would pick someone better than Hailey than as a slam to Jon. Yes Kate's made comments, but so has Jon as his "fence conferences".

I do think Kate's more in a "moved on" state because I think that's where I'd be too if he was out of the house, out with other women and I had 8 kids at home to take care of and the world watching every mistake I might make. I especially don't think I'd let the man who broke my heart (not saying Kate every said that) see me all over the news crying my eyes out - wouldn't give him that satisfaction. Maybe she sees it as her success (however she defines that) is more hurtful/painful for Jon. I have no idea...just a thought.

In regards to it being "easy" to cut people out, I'll be the first to admit I am good at - not proud of, but good at - cutting people out and moving on without them. I've been hurt time and again and generally only remain friends with people for about a year before they do something to strain our friendship (an example would be continually borrowing money, constantly needing my attention like a small child would, ect) and I move on. I moved 1,000 from our previous house almost two years ago and talk to 1 person on a regular basis. It's picked up a little bit due to Facebook and leaving quick comments here and there for "friends" but, like I told my DH this weekend, I trust no one. There's not a person in my life right now that if something happened in the middle of the night I would pick up and call for various reasons. I think, like Kate, I don't like people to see that I'm "needy" or "weak" and that's another reason not to keep people too close. I hate even asking DH for help. It's just been my experience that once I let people inside that wall I've put up, I get taken advantage of so I quit letting people in. Maybe Kate's done/doing the same?? Who knows at this point.

 

[lauradenise4779]

Just going by what is written here (I didn't watch) I don't think Jon did anything worse than Kate has already done. She trashed him over and over via People mag and TV interviews for weeks now. Yep, she was more quiet about it and more subtle, but is there any doubt she has depised Jon for years based on her behavior toward him on the show that got nastier and nastier? The aliens, the 15 y/o comment, the hope she would one day meet a real man...all equally as bad as Jon saying he couldn't sit next to someone he despised right now.

Jon has up until now not said one thing against Kate. She has been all over talking about Jon, but somehow that has already been forgotten.

I also wanted to add that Jon seemed to have feelings for Kate (jealous of the bodyguard, going to counseling, using a strong word..despise) suggesting to me that he did love her recently. Kate has moved on to indifference if she ever really did love him. It seems easy for her to leave people behind (all those she has apparently cut out of her life), where Jon is MAD. He is completely inappropriate, but I do think he is being honest....way too honest, but it all follows along with what he has said happened. Kate decided they were done. He's headed down the path to destruction all we can do it watch him do it to himself.

Well said.

 

[Mickey527]

My ex used the same line to me when he wanted a divorce. We were married at 22 and had our first son at 24, then a 2nd at 26 and a 3rd at 30. He said he never got to have fun and hang out like his still single friends. So he left and "hung out" while I went back to school and took care of my 3 boys. He never spent more than a day each week with them, sometimes not at all.
But I wonder, way back when she conceived the tups she was told that she had procuced too many eggs and NOT to have sex. Did she tell Jon? Because we all know that when a woman says yes the man is not going to stop and think what it might produce. Maybe he wasn't aware of the over fertilization and the chance of so many. Just speculating!
I do think that Kate is allowed more freedom of speech by TLC and I also think that the trips are definately one sided. Why couldn't Kate stay home and plan out her kitchen that she won't let anyone else in? Why did Jon stay when we have never seen him do anything in the kitchen? He could have taken the kids to the beach or to the dude ranch, I think he enjoys outings with the kids but he seems to always be the one stuck at home while she is getting out for the new adventures. Of course she is the one that keeps repeating the same thing, I am going to try new things, I am the new Kate.
I have said this before, Jon is only getting the offers to come to bars and casinos, he is not getting the offers to make speeches and be a guest host on tv shows. I did hear him say to a reporter when asked why he is always out at casinos "this is the only thing I can do right now to make money for my kids" He knows that he has to take any offer since it seems like TLC is cutting him out and he might not have a job with them anymore. They also nixed the proposed tv show that was rumored about him as a divorced dad.
Magazines and tv put them in the press as "Stars" but they are not, they are just people who had multiple kids. They need to get back to their private lives and stop living off a little celebrity status.

 

[WaltD4Me]

I think that Jon thinks this interview is going to help his image and make Kate the villian again. See, I think Jon liked the whole "Poor Jon" thing. I think he liked how he came across and played it up. I think he thought that everyone was going to be thrilled for him "breaking free" and that might have been true IF he hadn't taken it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far and put too much of the "real" Jon out there. I think he thinks he's going to get the sympathy back and has no idea that he just sounds like an angry, whiney, tattletale.

And don't get me wrong, I think Kate is playing the "Poor Me" card too, but she is pulling it off alot better....especially to people that don't follow them like we do. Everyone on The View was sticking up for her today and the audience boo'ed Jon and applauded for Kate. Quite a turn around.