Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[walden]

I have actually heard Kate say many times that she is not perfect. She also stated in the beginning of the seperation that they both had a part in the destruction of the marriage and she showed regret for the way she treated Jon.

Well thank you! I must have missed those statements from Kate. I hope she has come to a realisation thet she may have some responsibility. I truly hope so.

I am very much analysing all of this after the event and I appreciate your patience with me. I do not think their marriage is reparable at this point (those poor children).

I will say this: What I call abusive, some people call aggressive. But that sort of talk is never becoming. Emotional/verbal abuse is usually assessed by looking at the reactions of the victim. I have focused on Jon's *odd* behaviour recently, because it does seem telling.

However, I don't care what the pressure you may be under. If you love and value your spouse do not ever speak to him/her as Kate and John spoke to each other. It is just plain wrong. And so destructive.

If you do slip (because we are all human) please apologize in real time, or very shortly thereafter. And, I suppose also on film, if you happen to be involved in a "reality show." Sigh.

I do feel so sorry for the children. I also deeply regret that their parents' dysfunctional marriage has been documented for them to review in the future.

I'm going to follow this story and chime in here in the future.

But isn't it all so sad?

 

[walden]

Just click on the " Mark BUTTON at the bottom of the post you want to quote instead of the QUOTE Button Everytime you us the " Button it quotes the poster when you are done then use the QUOTE Button to write.

Thanks! Will do from now on!

 

[madge]

I do feel so sorry for the children. I also deeply regret that their parents' dysfunctional marriage has been documented for them to review in the future.

these children did not ask to be born into this mess. that's the saddest part of the whole thing.

 

[redrosesix]

these children did not ask to be born into this mess. that's the saddest part of the whole thing.

ITA! They just moved to a new house, their parents have separated and the tups are just starting school. So much already. And if the show ends, or they just start doing it when their mother is there (wouldn't that mean that almost all of their time with her would be spent taping?) that would be a huge transition too.

 

[torinsmom]

I think it is common for divorced parents to call the children "my" children. If they were doing an interview together, they might say "our" kids. If I am alone at an amusement park with my child, am I going to say to the ride attendant, "Our son wants to ride in the back row."?

OUR, to me, implies you are a couple. Jon and Kate are not a couple now. I don't think it means they are denying the other is a parent when they say "my kids". When you are a single parent, that is just proper grammar.

Marsha

 

[MAKmom]

Does anyone get the feeling Jon's mother & family on the scene is some type of intervention? Haley was supposed to be in Vegas with him & when Mom appeared she did not. Then a brother & grandmother appear right after Mom spends time with Jon in Vegas.

His family has to be worried about him even if they hated Kate.

 

[allison443]

ITA! They just moved to a new house, their parents have separated and the tups are just starting school. So much already. And if the show ends, or they just start doing it when their mother is there (wouldn't that mean that almost all of their time with her would be spent taping?) that would be a huge transition too.

Also, I think the kids might actually wind up taping on more days than Jon and Kate! Last week's episode, Kate was with the boys, Jon was with the girls, so the kids were split up...but what about episodes at home? The kids will tape with Jon when he is there, then Jon will leave and Kate will arrive, then the kids will tape with Kate while she is there. It seems like the kids will be taping twice as much as the adults. I guess it will depend how the episodes are structured in the future.

As a side note, I wonder if any of the girls would have enjoyed going to the ranch. Didn't one of them like horses?

 

[redrosesix]

Also, I think the kids might actually wind up taping on more days than Jon and Kate! Last week's episode, Kate was with the boys, Jon was with the girls, so the kids were split up...but what about episodes at home? The kids will tape with Jon when he is there, then Jon will leave and Kate will arrive, then the kids will tape with Kate while she is there. It seems like the kids will be taping twice as much as the adults. I guess it will depend how the episodes are structured in the future.

As a side note, I wonder if any of the girls would have enjoyed going to the ranch. Didn't one of them like horses?

Good point -- it's unfortunate that they seem to decide who goes on which trip based on how it will play on the show.

Does anyone get the feeling Jon's mother & family on the scene is some type of intervention? Haley was supposed to be in Vegas with him & when Mom appeared she did not. Then a brother & grandmother appear right after Mom spends time with Jon in Vegas.

His family has to be worried about him even if they hated Kate.

I just don't think so. IMO, Jon never planned for Hailey to go -- he said well ahead of time that he was taking his friends, and then before the trip he said that his mother had always wanted to go there to see the shows, etc.

Jon has said on several occasions that although his mother doesn't live near them he talks to her on the phone every day. However, she doesn't want to be involved in the show. Neither do his brothers, but apparently he is in contact with them all the time. I still think that Kate and/or the show had a lot to do with the lack of involvement of Jon's family -- every family occasion had to become part of the show, and that essentially excluded them from birthday parties and holidays. Now that Jon has time with the kids alone at the house, he is free to invite them over and kick the cameras out.

And JMHO, but if Kate had little contact with her family (as has been reported again and again), I can also see her downplaying the importance of his extended family.

 

[bean]

Whoa...just saw part of the Jon interview on Good Morning America. It's going to be interesting to see the whole thing. I can't believe that on national television he would say that he despises her. She is still the mother of his children and someday his kids are going to hear him say things like that (if they haven't already). I agree that she was verbally abusive at times but his argument that "I got married at 22, had twins at 24 and sextuplets at 27" is just old. Not sure if those are the right ages by the way. Grow up and be a parent. That's no excuse. Yes, I can't imagine how hard and stressful it must be having multiples, but I don't think he was forced to have those children. I think the interview is supposed to be him telling his side so that we feel sorry for him but honestly he must have a crappy publicist from what I saw this AM.

 

[ma2jr]

Seriously he needs to change his pr rep.

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

Whoa...just saw part of the Jon interview on Good Morning America. It's going to be interesting to see the whole thing. I can't believe that on national television he would say that he despises her. She is still the mother of his children and someday his kids are going to hear him say things like that (if they haven't already). I agree that she was verbally abusive at times but his argument that "I got married at 22, had twins at 24 and sextuplets at 27" is just old. Not sure if those are the right ages by the way. Grow up and be a parent. That's no excuse. Yes, I can't imagine how hard and stressful it must be having multiples, but I don't think he was forced to have those children. I think the interview is supposed to be him telling his side so that we feel sorry for him but honestly he must have a crappy publicist from what I saw this AM.

I completely agree!! It's one thing to complain/vent to your mom and brothers who will hopefully keep things quiet. It's another to go on national television so that its forever taped for his children to see. So far, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't seen Kate say anything nearly as nasty.

And trust me, I'm not saying that she has been an angel in anything that has been on tape or in print but to say that he despises her is just horrible.

 

[redrosesix]

Seriously he needs to change his pr rep.

ITA! I really wonder what they envision as his image. He was doing pretty well with the "You'll have to ask Kate" or "She's the mother of my children" -- and that was when he was out there on his own (although he was screwing up his own image at the time)

But I sometimes feel the same way about some of the things Kate says about him. IMO, both of these parents love their kids, but the kids are really going to resent some things when they get older -- it's not like any normal divorce, where kids just might forget some of the negative comments, because all of these statements will be available on video forever.

 

[allison443]

I agree that she was verbally abusive at times but his argument that "I got married at 22, had twins at 24 and sextuplets at 27" is just old. Not sure if those are the right ages by the way. Grow up and be a parent. That's no excuse. Yes, I can't imagine how hard and stressful it must be having multiples, but I don't think he was forced to have those children. I think the interview is supposed to be him telling his side so that we feel sorry for him but honestly he must have a crappy publicist from what I saw this AM.

I agree that his argument about having kids at whatever age he was just sounds ridiculous, imo. It's not like they had unplanned pregnancies for goodness' sake! They went for fertility treatments to have the kids! He was certainly a willing participant! And then they went for more after having the twins.

 

[allison443]

But I sometimes feel the same way about some of the things Kate says about him. IMO, both of these parents love their kids, but the kids are really going to resent some things when they get older -- it's not like any normal divorce, where kids just might forget some of the negative comments, because all of these statements will be available on video forever.

Well, J & K have said in the past that one of the reasons for doing the show was to document the kids' lives "for the kids". Their lives are certainly well-documented now!

 

[allison443]

This was on Page Six of the NYPost about a money dispute between Jon and Kate:

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/step_forward_for_jon_kate_nHxIRvkTFqp7Ta1Un2ht8O

 

[madge]

Wonder why TLC isn't letting Jon take the kids on one of the weekly vacation trips. Kate did the warship, dude ranch while Jon played dress up and went to the game room. Maybe this is his punishment for speaking out against Kate and the show. Looks like the new episodes involve splitting up the kids. Maybe they can control Kate more with the 3 boys than with her whole family. You would think Jon would of enjoyed the Dude Ranch??

I think that's a good question -- why is Jon only filming at home? Maybe that's what he prefers? Maybe it's part of the new deal? At one point, there was a rumor that the children would be coming to NYC for outings taped for the show.

I don't think Jon would have liked the dude ranch, though. LOL

 

[madge]

Does anyone get the feeling Jon's mother & family on the scene is some type of intervention? Haley was supposed to be in Vegas with him & when Mom appeared she did not. Then a brother & grandmother appear right after Mom spends time with Jon in Vegas.

His family has to be worried about him even if they hated Kate.

nope.

based on what I've heard from Jon's interview .. Kate manipulated Jon's time and Jon allowed it to happen. I understood that to mean time spent with his family, as well. Now that he doesn't have to coordinate family visits with Kate, it's easier to have them over to the house.

Additionally, Jon's family may not have liked Kate. Now that she's not there, they might want to be around more.

It also looks good for Jon to have his family around with the children.

And wasn't it reported that Jon's family didn't have an interest in being on the show?

 

[WaltD4Me]

Wow. The Primetime show tonight is going to be something. Jon is very angry and belligerent. Chris Cumo even tried to tell him to be careful, that saying he despised Kate was going too far and Jon argued with him, said he (Chris Cumo) didn't know the answer.

I wonder what he meant by "Kate needs to speak from the heart, she needs to say things the same things in public that she says to him in private."

The "I lost my 20's" thing has gotten very old...and I've noticed that he never adds "but I have eight great kids that I love so it was worth it." He just sounds whiney to me and immature, he needs to get over it because the more he says it, the more it sounds like he's really saying "I lost my party time to have a bunch of kids and I regret it."

 

[smschex]

wow. The primetime show tonight is going to be something. Jon is very angry and belligerent. Chris cumo even tried to tell him to be careful, that saying he despised kate was going too far and jon argued with him, said he (chris cumo) didn't know the answer.

I wonder what he meant by "kate needs to speak from the heart, she needs to say things the same things in public that she says to him in private."

the "i lost my 20's" thing has gotten very old...and i've noticed that he never adds "but i have eight great kids that i love so it was worth it." he just sounds whiney to me and immature, he needs to get over it because the more he says it, the more it sounds like he's really saying "i lost my party time to have a bunch of kids and i regret it."

ita!

 

[TheZue]

The "I lost my 20's" thing has gotten very old...and I've noticed that he never adds "but I have eight great kids that I love so it was worth it." He just sounds whiney to me and immature, he needs to get over it because the more he says it, the more it sounds like he's really saying "I lost my party time to have a bunch of kids and I regret it."

This guy is beyond stupid and selfish. Stuff happens in life and not everyone has a 20s where they went out and partied, and it's not something you can just go back and do. He's not making up for his 20s, he's just looking like an old fat drunk at the bar. The moron is missing out on his 30s and probably going to have bridges burnt with his kids running his mouth like that.