Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[DVCisME]

I don't know how things work in PA, but while my parents were in the middle of a divorce my dad racked up all the credit cards and some new ones. My mom was still responsible for some of the credit cards even though it happened during the divorce. Jon could just be seen as using household money that he was previously entitled to. He might also be afforded alimony if he gets fired from the show but she still makes $75,000/episode. Wonder if she will get more if he is off the show?

 

[madge]

Jon has been acting like a jerk lately, but I don't ever remember him being mean to Kate. Kate dished out a lot to him--he took it--you can only take so much--he had enough.
Here is Kate traveling around like a jetsetter with her bodyguard and Jon is stuck home with the kids? She misses her kids so much but is gone 5 out of 7 days? Now she wants to control who Jon has around when its his turn for custody of the kids.
Kate loves the media attention. The show is dropping ratings steadily and she will do anything---anything to stay in the news.

I agree with what you're saying ... after the bolded part.

Whether or not someone thinks Jon was mean to Kate depends on if they consider snide remarks and passive-agressiveness mean. IMO, I think he had his share of mean moments and behaved like a jerk sometimes.

I also think that TLC played on Kate's personality to generate interest in the show, and only show parts of Jon's personality .. there's no way to know if he was passively aggressive on an occasional basis or all the time.

 

[madge]

Back to his fatherly duties after spending time in Las Vegas, Jon Gosselin was spotted out at his home in Reading, Pennsylvania on Saturday (September 5).

With his kids nearby, the TLC daddy was joined by his salesperson as he had his new Mercedes ML 350 SUV delivered to his house.

http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/jon-gosselin-gets-a-new-ride-218450/

Good Lord.

 

[whitneyNC]

So the extended family shows up...after Kate is no longer around. Interesting.

 

[madge]

So the extended family shows up...after Kate is no longer around. Interesting.

that is interesting .. I wonder if the same holds true for Kate's side?

 

[redrosesix]

So the extended family shows up...after Kate is no longer around. Interesting.

oh my -- never thought about that -- excellent point

 

[madge]

So the extended family shows up...after Kate is no longer around. Interesting.

and to also play devil's advocate, we don't know that they weren't around before. they may have been.

this also may be an attempt to paint Jon as a family man.

 

[Promomx2]

So someone explain to me how the new mercedes is "for the kids"? You know how Jon and Kate always say everything is "for the kids.

Wait a minute!! Didn't Jon just get a new two-seater right before the kids birthday, right around the time the separated? I guess the "new car" smell wore off, so he had to get a new one.

 

[redrosesix]

and to also play devil's advocate, we don't know that they weren't around before. they may have been.

this also may be an attempt to paint Jon as a family man.

Yes, you're absolutely right about this. I'd go with the 2nd theory.

So someone explain to me how the new mercedes is "for the kids"? You know how Jon and Kate always say everything is "for the kids.

Wait a minute!! Didn't Jon just get a new two-seater right before the kids birthday, right around the time the separated? I guess the "new car" smell wore off, so he had to get a new one.

Truth be told, I had a friend who had a Mercedes SUV, but she had to get her daughter to ski practice and competitions. They bought that vehicle after they went off the road in their old car -- an absolutely totally reliable vehicle. I'd buy one myself if I had the money.

But Kate has an SUV too. How many kids can you actually fit in an SUV? I'm sure it's not 8.

BTW, every time I post now I realize I'm asking questions and answering them. Just like Kate. Oh no!

 

[LoraJ]

Wonder if Jon traded in his Bimmer for the Mercedes?

 

[mousey]

Back to his fatherly duties after spending time in Las Vegas, Jon Gosselin was spotted out at his home in Reading, Pennsylvania on Saturday (September 5).

With his kids nearby, the TLC daddy was joined by his salesperson as he had his new Mercedes ML 350 SUV delivered to his house.

http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/jon-gosselin-gets-a-new-ride-218450/

They better solicit some new churches to keep the "love offerings" coming. The insurance alone on these high end cars are very expensive. Well, they can take it out of the kids college fund.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I'm the first person to acknowledge that I have not seen every single episode. I have watched *most* of a marathon, but even people with busted ankles need to take bathroom breaks -- and on crutches that does take a while!

I have yet to see Jon behave as badly toward Kate (on the show) as she has to him.

Asking respectfully, because this was a question in one of my first posts that no one responded to, but can you please point me towards the specific episodes where Jon was out of line?

That said, I think all bets are off after January. They both seem determined to plough the other under in the New Year!

Thanks in advance for your help.

I can try.

There was a scene on the drive-way in an episode where Jon calls Kate "the Queen" and tells her off in front of the kids. Did he have a right to tell her off? Most likely, but not in front of them. In another episode, he tells her to take the "stick" out. Disney episode he yells at her in the motel on the way to Disney and tells her she is not capable and treats her like she is stupid. He was mean at the beginning of that episode too when they were talking about the things they had to do. They took the little kids to a little gym type place and he tells her off in that one. I don't remember the wording, only that it was harsh. That is what I can think of off the top of my head.

I can probably think of twice as many times Kate was mean to Jon for no apparent reason. The worst to me was when Jon was giving Collin a time out and Kate told Collin that Daddy was being mean and to just not listen to him.
I was furious with Kate for that one. Talk about disrespectful.

My point was, they both could be mean. It wasn't always or just Kate.

Hope that helps.

 

[redrosesix]

Wonder if Jon traded in his Bimmer for the Mercedes?

That was the plan.

Does anybody know whether they make $75,000 total per episode or $75,000 each (as was stated in a recent article)?

 

[madge]

preview for tomorrow's GMA interview:

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/jon...e-exclusive-interview/Story?id=8491733&page=1

I really wish he'd cool it with the blah, blah, blah .. I lost my 20's whining. I'd find what he has to say much more appealing (I don't think that's the word I want .. ) without that. ALL parents give something up. That's just the way it is.

 

[newtodis]

Anyone watching today's marathon from this season? I think it started at 6 this morning. The last episode was the one where they announced the divorce and now the AC episode is on.

As for the article about the family - I wondered why they mentioned his family being over there and if anything would have been mentioned had someone not gotten an injury and needed medical attention.

As for his car, I thought he'd traded in the other car he'd bought for Hailey's SUV? Maybe - could it be possible - that the car was for Jon and not Hailey?

As for the abuse, I agree that it's a very strong word and I don't think Jon should be just throwing it around like that unless his therapist has diagnosed that based on what he's told that person. Even then, that would only be one side of the story.

Regarding the clips from the shwow being used regarding custody, I wonder if Kate will go for the clips of him saying how he would rather stay home, how much he wanted to be at home with the kids instead of working compared to his "complaints" (because I can't think of a better word this morning) of her always being gone and "jet setting" (his word) while he was home with the kids. I also wonder if she would use the clips (again, only based on what we've seen and not knowing what was never used) saying he was "excited" about his new life in NYC and having his quiet time to get things done to show he's happy without having the kids around all the time. I don't know how things work in PA and I can see this turning into a circus if it's allowed.

I also wonder if Kate has more of an idea of things that were filmed because Kate more stepped up as an editor/producer (is that her title?) and Jon wasn't interested in that or maybe Jon, with his IT experience, stepped up more and she'll take the stance that Jon suggested editing things in a certain way? I can't see them (either J or K's side) watching the countless hours (assuming they have to film for 2 - 3 days to get an episode) of footage laying around over 100 episodes. I personally would be up for that job if it's available....I'm just saying!

 

[newtodis]

Long before the tabloids and media frenzy, Jon Gosselin -- one half of the parenting duo "Jon & Kate Plus Eight" -- says the chaotic stress of raising eight children took its toll on the young couple.

"I got married at 22. I had twins at 23. I had sextuplets at 27. Bye-bye, twenties," Gosselin, now 32, told ABC News' Chris Cuomo in an exclusive interview. "And then raising all those kids until you're 30 and, you know, you don't even think about what's going on around you. You just do what you got to do to survive."

But it wasn't the demands of parenting, but what Gosselin calls Kate Gosselin's constant verbal "abuse," that sent their 10-year-marriage into a tailspin. Now, he says, the relationship is irreconcilable.

"Our relationship will never be fixed," he said. " ... I don't trust her anymore. I was abused ... I was beaten down ... I'm not going back to that life style."

While Gosselin says that Kate ended the marriage, his soon-to-be ex-wife has been telling a very different story in the media, appearing on magazine covers and talk shows.

"She made the first move. She knows the truth," he said. "I wish to God, she would speak from emotions ... She's not speaking from the heart. Please -- the stuff you tell me in private should be the stuff you tell me on TV."

Gosselin told Cuomo that the marriage reached a breaking point when he "stood up to Kate" for the first time, going out to see his friends.

"In 10 years, I've never gone out ... When she said, 'I don't want you going out,' I ... I used to say, 'OK, I'm not going to go out.' I was very passive. This is the first time I said, 'You know what? I want to see my friends. I'm going out,'" he explained. "That was the first time in my life I ever stood up to Kate ... I just felt like I had to take back some time in my life, and I did it. And I felt really good. I made my own decision ... I was beaten down for so long, I couldn't even make my own decision. And when I did, I was like, holy cow! You know? Yeah, what's she gonna do? Divorce me? All right. Obviously. You know."

Gosselin told Cuomo that during his marriage to Kate, he changed who he was.

"My mom and my brothers, they say to me, 'It's so good to have the real Jon back. It's so good to have the warm, loving, kind, caring person that we knew you when you were ... before you got married,'" Gosselin said. "I've changed for her. Because I loved her ... But don't forget who you are. That's what happened to me."


Jon Minus Kate
The former reality TV duo now lives the life of parents with shared custody. Gosselin commutes from New York City to the family's Pennsylvania home when it's his turn to be with the kids.

Their ongoing custody battle has resulted in the police being called to their Pennsylvania home, when Kate came home to find the kids with a new babysitter, hired by Gosselin.

"I wouldn't let her in the gate," Gosselin told paparazzi. "I said, I'm spending time with my kids ... and she's going to have to leave, and she tried to cry it up with the cops, and it didn't work and they just basically said [to her], You have to leave."

Despite the drama, Gosselin says he tried everything to avoid reaching this point, including therapy sessions, which proved fruitless.


"I went to therapy. I learned about myself. If she's not going to therapy, she's not going to fix herself, then it's not going to work. It takes two people," Gosselin said. "I have a $22,000 therapy bill. I mean, I tried to have marriage counseling. I did it myself. She refused to go."

Reflecting on his failed marriage, Gosselin says he's had his share of doubts.

"I felt maybe I was too passive. Maybe I didn't stand my grounds 10 years ago -- even to stick up for my kids. But it's gone. I can't get that back," he said.

"I don't cry, I cried at my dad's funeral. That's it," he said, "but like, I've cried more now in the last, like, eight months than ... my whole entire life."

Amidst a very public break-up, America's television dad has received much criticism for partying and for his relationship with 22-year-old girlfriend Hailey Glassman, the daughter of a plastic surgeon who performed Kate's tummy tuck in 2006.


"I just want to let the world know that I'm a real person with feelings," he said. "OK, I've made mistakes. Maybe it wasn't the best idea to go out to the clubs. But we all learn from mistakes, except mine are public."

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/jon...e-exclusive-interview/Story?id=8491733&page=3

 

[newtodis]

I've never heard of this site before.......I'm not buying it.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i59325

 

[kidshop]

and to also play devil's advocate, we don't know that they weren't around before. they may have been.

this also may be an attempt to paint Jon as a family man.

I think Jon always was or wanted to be close to his family. Having them around is part of the 'real Jon' like the article below says, IMO. The times we have seen pictures of people from the past, like nana Janet, it was when Jon was home. I believe he kept the ties to his past.

Funny how there are no pictures of the ambulance or the family around, you know with all this stalking. Maybe everyone was in the backyard?


I'm not sure how Jon just bought a new car. Last week a 'source' said Kate had control of all the money. Kate is SO wonderful saving all her money! Everything SHE does, of course, is for the kids. What a responsible mom! (sounds like more feeding from Kate's PR---gag, choke)

 

[redrosesix]

I've never heard of this site before.......I'm not buying it.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i59325

No, I don't buy it either. I just can't see Kate doing that (at least not with Jon), let alone laughing about it.

Long before the tabloids and media frenzy, Jon Gosselin -- one half of the parenting duo "Jon & Kate Plus Eight" -- says the chaotic stress of raising eight children took its toll on the young couple.

"I got married at 22. I had twins at 23. I had sextuplets at 27. Bye-bye, twenties," Gosselin, now 32, told ABC News' Chris Cuomo in an exclusive interview. "And then raising all those kids until you're 30 and, you know, you don't even think about what's going on around you. You just do what you got to do to survive."

But it wasn't the demands of parenting, but what Gosselin calls Kate Gosselin's constant verbal "abuse," that sent their 10-year-marriage into a tailspin. Now, he says, the relationship is irreconcilable.

"Our relationship will never be fixed," he said. " ... I don't trust her anymore. I was abused ... I was beaten down ... I'm not going back to that life style."

While Gosselin says that Kate ended the marriage, his soon-to-be ex-wife has been telling a very different story in the media, appearing on magazine covers and talk shows.

"She made the first move. She knows the truth," he said. "I wish to God, she would speak from emotions ... She's not speaking from the heart. Please -- the stuff you tell me in private should be the stuff you tell me on TV."

Gosselin told Cuomo that the marriage reached a breaking point when he "stood up to Kate" for the first time, going out to see his friends.

"In 10 years, I've never gone out ... When she said, 'I don't want you going out,' I ... I used to say, 'OK, I'm not going to go out.' I was very passive. This is the first time I said, 'You know what? I want to see my friends. I'm going out,'" he explained. "That was the first time in my life I ever stood up to Kate ... I just felt like I had to take back some time in my life, and I did it. And I felt really good. I made my own decision ... I was beaten down for so long, I couldn't even make my own decision. And when I did, I was like, holy cow! You know? Yeah, what's she gonna do? Divorce me? All right. Obviously. You know."

Gosselin told Cuomo that during his marriage to Kate, he changed who he was.

"My mom and my brothers, they say to me, 'It's so good to have the real Jon back. It's so good to have the warm, loving, kind, caring person that we knew you when you were ... before you got married,'" Gosselin said. "I've changed for her. Because I loved her ... But don't forget who you are. That's what happened to me."


Jon Minus Kate
The former reality TV duo now lives the life of parents with shared custody. Gosselin commutes from New York City to the family's Pennsylvania home when it's his turn to be with the kids.

Their ongoing custody battle has resulted in the police being called to their Pennsylvania home, when Kate came home to find the kids with a new babysitter, hired by Gosselin.

"I wouldn't let her in the gate," Gosselin told paparazzi. "I said, I'm spending time with my kids ... and she's going to have to leave, and she tried to cry it up with the cops, and it didn't work and they just basically said [to her], You have to leave."

Despite the drama, Gosselin says he tried everything to avoid reaching this point, including therapy sessions, which proved fruitless.


"I went to therapy. I learned about myself. If she's not going to therapy, she's not going to fix herself, then it's not going to work. It takes two people," Gosselin said. "I have a $22,000 therapy bill. I mean, I tried to have marriage counseling. I did it myself. She refused to go."

Reflecting on his failed marriage, Gosselin says he's had his share of doubts.

"I felt maybe I was too passive. Maybe I didn't stand my grounds 10 years ago -- even to stick up for my kids. But it's gone. I can't get that back," he said.

"I don't cry, I cried at my dad's funeral. That's it," he said, "but like, I've cried more now in the last, like, eight months than ... my whole entire life."

Amidst a very public break-up, America's television dad has received much criticism for partying and for his relationship with 22-year-old girlfriend Hailey Glassman, the daughter of a plastic surgeon who performed Kate's tummy tuck in 2006.


"I just want to let the world know that I'm a real person with feelings," he said. "OK, I've made mistakes. Maybe it wasn't the best idea to go out to the clubs. But we all learn from mistakes, except mine are public."

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/jon...e-exclusive-interview/Story?id=8491733&page=3

This, on the other hand, makes the interview sound pretty interesting. I'm hoping that it doesn't come off as rehearsed ie. with the lines dictated by his PR people -- I've had enough of Kate's interviews where she just repeats the same comments and doesn't sound like she's really in the conversation.

And even if he believes that what he's saying is the truth, I hope that people remember that perspective is everything -- how it looks to him may be very different than how it looks to Kate. I can definitely see them having a different take on when/how/why the marriage ended (while he might see him living in the garage as being separated, Kate may not), especially if they disagreed on what was or wasn't a big deal eg. Jon going out with his friends.

 

[WaltD4Me]

I've never heard of this site before.......I'm not buying it.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i59325

It says at the bottom of the "article" that the story is a spoof and entirely fictional.