Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[daughtersrus]

It's really not a good situation. Would those of you that are upset with Jon for taking the dogs to the breeder been happy if he had done it after the kids went to bed so that when they woke up, they would be gone? I'm not sure that would have been good for them either. I think that they should be given the chance to say good-bye.

I'm not understanding the logic that Jon is "bad" because he didn't buy a home where the dogs could live. He has a house now but Kate doesn't want to care for them. I never really thought that she wanted the dogs to begin with so I'm not surprised. I doubt that she would allow them back onto that property on the days that Jon is there even if Jon did take them to live with him. Either way, the kids would probably never see them again because I don't see Kate allowing the children to go to Jon's house for the week or weekend even if it was close.

 

[madge]

It's really not a good situation. Would those of you that are upset with Jon for taking the dogs to the breeder been happy if he had done it after the kids went to bed so that when they woke up, they would be gone? I'm not sure that would have been good for them either. I think that they should be given the chance to say good-bye.

that's a good point. they should have had closure.

without the cameras would have been preferable.

I'm not understanding the logic that Jon is "bad" because he didn't buy a home where the dogs could live. He has a house now but Kate doesn't want to care for them. I never really thought that she wanted the dogs to begin with so I'm not surprised. I doubt that she would allow them back onto that property on the days that Jon is there even if Jon did take them to live with him. Either way, the kids would probably never see them again because I don't see Kate allowing the children to go to Jon's house for the week or weekend even if it was close.

I think there's a reasonable expectation that Jon would have purchased/leased/rented a home nearer the children. But you raise an interesting perspective ... even if Jon did live closer and could keep the dogs at his place, would Kate allow Jon to bring the children to see them? With that said, if he lived closer, it would be easy for Jon to bring the dogs when he comes for a visit.

I'm not sure that I see the same amount of Jon-love for the dogs as others. I think he liked the dogs, and cared for them more than Kate. IMO, this is another attempt to get the upper hand in the PR/tabloid war.

 

[walden]

I have to add my thoughts here! I started out with a multi-post of ITAs but when it got 27 quotes long I decided to simplify.

On the dogs: Sadly, animals are often the first to be sacrificed in a divorce. I have a very content 12 year old hound at my feet right now who was listed on Craigslist when his original adopters divorced 2 years ago. I agreed to foster him for a week, but he is still here and very much loved!

I didn't think the dogs were a good idea in the first place. Kate was very vocally never keen on the idea. Also, as someone involved in dog rescue, we don't usually adopt out to families with children under 5 unless they are experienced with dogs. Let alone 6 (count them six!) four years olds! Adopting litter mates is also not recommended.

At least they are going back to the breeder until Jon makes a decision. I hope that he and the breeder place those beautiful dogs with families who let them be inside dogs, where they get space to run, and where the children are taught to behave appropriately around them. Unlike the Gosselin kids who seem not to have been taught -- as I remember the plastic bat wielded by a tup hitting one dog . . .

It was probably a good idea to let the children say goodbye, rather than just disappear the dogs without their knowledge. It should not have been filmed -- but then this is just one of many things should not have been filmed, in my opinion.

I'm actually doing a happy dance at the thought of Kate and Paula Deen filming a pilot this weekend (this is just a rumour from a Paula fan-site.) Am I alone?

If Kate gets a show (even if it features the children on occasion) then she won't have the excuse of needing to continue filming the kids on TLC to support them. I probably won't be watching the new show, but Kate's fans will.

I think those children need some privacy to deal with their parents' divorce. Also, if filming is "normal" for them, then it is definitely time to let them gradually adjust to an even more normal private childhood with no cameras and production crew. Again, just my opinion.

 

[DMRick]

It's really not a good situation. Would those of you that are upset with Jon for taking the dogs to the breeder been happy if he had done it after the kids went to bed so that when they woke up, they would be gone? I'm not sure that would have been good for them either. I think that they should be given the chance to say good-bye.

I would have rather it not be taped and shared. Perhaps the goodbye it could have been done in private. I wouldn't have liked it if TLC taped and showed it either. I couldn't see the point of taping it.

I'm not understanding the logic that Jon is "bad" because he didn't buy a home where the dogs could live. He has a house now but Kate doesn't want to care for them. I never really thought that she wanted the dogs to begin with so I'm not surprised. I doubt that she would allow them back onto that property on the days that Jon is there even if Jon did take them to live with him. Either way, the kids would probably never see them again because I don't see Kate allowing the children to go to Jon's house for the week or weekend even if it was close.

I thought the kids had a house and the parents shared it with them on their days? Jon only has that house part time right now. I thoguht Jon said Kate didn't want to take care of them. If he wanted to keep them, then I assume he would have said he made arrangements for them to be taken care of, and Kate wouldn't let them stay. I thought he said Kate didn't want to take care of them on her days. So Jon, if you want to keep them, fix the problem.
He has an apartment in NYC, and Kate stays elsewhere when she's not with the kids. So, if Kate doesn't want the dogs, and doesn't want to arrange for care, and Jon does want the dogs, I guess the arrangement for care would be up to him. If they both wanted to keep them for the kids, I'm pretty sure it would have been worked out somehow. But again, they don't both want them.

 

[DMRick]

even if Jon did live closer and could keep the dogs at his place, would Kate allow Jon to bring the children to see them? With that said, if he lived closer, it would be easy for Jon to bring the dogs when he comes for a visit.
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I can't see this sharing the home the kids are in, lasting. But even if it does, if Jon were to have gotten a home that the kids could visit, I don't know about your state, but here in NY, he could take his kids to his home, as long as it was safe to do so, during his custody time. I assume eventually he'll take turns (at least I hope so) bringing the kids to NYC.

Unless they give us the answer, or Jon keeps the dogs, we won't know if Kate would have allowed the dogs to visit.

I don't think Kate gets to decide that the kids can't go to Jon's home. As an aside, Mady went off with Jon's mom.

 

[mistydoodles]

and it continues on..... http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-babysitter-not-worry-about-getting-pregnan-0

 

[mousey]

I would like to know who has been taking care of the dogs since Jon moved out? Who takes cares of them when they are both gone from the house? Its too bad that they got the dogs as a Christmas present for the kids, but never trained the dogs or kids how to behave around each other. Probably has to do with them getting them for free so they didn't really appreciate them. I'm not saying that they weren't a lot of work, but seriously, why would you get 2 big dogs in the middle of major marital problems. I'm sure Kate's version of what happened will be a tearjerker. Woe is Kate!

 

[mistydoodles]

THis is what Hailey just posted on her twitter page about 10 minutes ago. Why do people constantly take sides, Nobody's Right if Everybody's Wrong! But I am a woman that does not believe in double standards.......!

 

[mistydoodles]

I would like to know who has been taking care of the dogs since Jon moved out? Who takes cares of them when they are both gone from the house? Its too bad that they got the dogs as a Christmas present for the kids, but never trained the dogs or kids how to behave around each other. Probably has to do with them getting them for free so they didn't really appreciate them. I'm not saying that they weren't a lot of work, but seriously, why would you get 2 big dogs in the middle of major marital problems. I'm sure Kate's version of what happened will be a tearjerker. Woe is Kate!

They probably got the dogs for this kids because of the marital problems. This way the kids had something else to pay attention to. Just my opinion.

 

[mistydoodles]

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...awyer-slams-sensational-tabloid-story-2009169

what I got from this article is that they lawyer isn't denying it happened but rather saying that Stephanie has no business to discuss it since she signed a non-disclosure agreement.

 

[MAKmom]

I don't see anything wrong with Jon using the paps to try to get sympathy for him.

I think you & Jon are the only 2 people on Earth who thinks it's ok. It's really not working for him

 

[OhMari]

did anyone catch where Jon said they'd had the dogs a year in October?

Quite an early Christmas present, LOL.

They were in the their new house too, when they got the puppies, so they were in their new home in October. Remember Kate yelling to Jon, to get the gates made because the puppies peed on the floor.

I thought they were in their old house, but they had the episode, when they went back to their old home, and packed up things. Jon was out in the garage and Kate was in the house.
This was one of the first clues,(for me) that something was wrong, when one of the kids asked Kate, "if she was throwing out all of daddy's things."


When did they go to Hawaii and tape the renewing of vows?

 

[mistydoodles]

When did they go to Hawaii and tape the renewing of vows?

I believe the vow renewal was in August. Not 100% sure though.

 

[Mickey527]

When I saw the video of the kids hitting the dog I knew that there would be trouble with some animal group. And from what I have read someone from the ASPCA did receive a complaint.
You never saw Kate showing any attention to those dogs until the kids were caught hitting them. Then all of a sudden there is a photo of her brushing the dog and petting him like she cared. She was probably just putting on another act for the cameras.
I did see alot of photos with Jon when he was at the house and the dogs were always with him. He did care about the dogs.
The kids didn't show much emotion when the dogs were taken probably because they never became close to the dogs. I know that if an animal is repeatedly hit or kicked they will run away from the person who is hurting them. The dogs didn't seem like they sat in the living room with the kids while they were watching TV. Maybe when Jon was there, but like he said, when Kate was home they were crated the entire day.
I can't understand why Jon doesn't move into the old house and take the kids over there on his weekends. He could tell TLC that he doesn't want taping done at that house and do a little bit at the new house with them, maybe a 2 hour, like TLC claims they do every day.
Let Kate have her show, it will flop, and then she will be looking for a Kate&8 and Jon will refuse to sign consent for his kids to be on it.

 

[DMRick]

but like he said, when Kate was home they were crated the entire day.

Was that on this tape? I heard him say she crated them, but I didn't hear for the entire day whenever she was there. I've caught many pictures of the dogs out in the background when both Kate and Jon have been out and about. I know when they were having a picnic and sitting on the ground she asked Jon to crate them. But they have been out a lot. I thought we caught a glimpse of them on movie night as well.

They have also mentioned the dogs had been to training. I guess that wasn't something TLC recorded for us.

I remember Kate writing a check when they picked up the dogs. Was she writing it to the breeder and he was donating the sum to charity, or did she donate the total cost to charity herself? I have it on tape somewhere, but I'm sure someone will know the answer.

Jon did say someone called animal protection, but I assume it was a courtesy call, since they still have the dogs.

 

[redrosesix]

THis is what Hailey just posted on her twitter page about 10 minutes ago. Why do people constantly take sides, Nobody's Right if Everybody's Wrong! But I am a woman that does not believe in double standards.......!

What the heck is that supposed to mean...about anything?

It's really not a good situation. Would those of you that are upset with Jon for taking the dogs to the breeder been happy if he had done it after the kids went to bed so that when they woke up, they would be gone? I'm not sure that would have been good for them either. I think that they should be given the chance to say good-bye.

I'm not understanding the logic that Jon is "bad" because he didn't buy a home where the dogs could live. He has a house now but Kate doesn't want to care for them. I never really thought that she wanted the dogs to begin with so I'm not surprised. I doubt that she would allow them back onto that property on the days that Jon is there even if Jon did take them to live with him. Either way, the kids would probably never see them again because I don't see Kate allowing the children to go to Jon's house for the week or weekend even if it was close.

ITA with everything, except that unless Jon is restricted to supervised visitation he can take the kids anywhere he wants to when it is his time.

I think the kids should have had more of a chance to say goodbye to the dogs instead of making it about the video (that was selfish, Jon) including the hugs and kisses and tears that should have been expected (but maybe that happened before the cameras started rolling -- we don't know -- this was the first time I've seen the Gosselin kids not roaming the driveway when cameras were around).

Working for a cat rescue group, people get animals for all sorts of reasons. Often, for the kids. It just doesn't always work out, and while animals should never be expendable, it happens, and most often in divorce cases. Sharing the load each day, I guess it seemed doable, even thought most of us on this board never thought it would work with Kate. She was never the type that we thought would have animals. I don't know if her and Jon had an agreement, OK, we can get them, but I don't want to take care of them, or any other agreement about the dogs. Or maybe they didn't. But now, she doesn't want them. It's not the same as giving up a child (I admit for some it would be, after all these years in veterinary service), and if a dog becomes more work than you are willing to give, people do give them up.

If Jon doesn't want to give them up, then he can pony up and find a way to keep them. He did say they are staying at his breeder's, so maybe he's working on that.

At times we've discussed the point of the dogs in this already crazy busy families life, and some thought they were meant more as guard dogs. Maybe the little bit we've seen the kids with them is it..maybe they are guard dogs and let lose at night. Maybe the kids aren't overly attached to them, and that's why Jon isn't fighting to keep them.

We'll prob never know the whole of it, but it boils down to, Kate (according to Jon) doens't want to keep them (and her reasons may be selfish, they may be valid, I have no idea. I'm just happy they didn't send them to my house), Jon says he does. So, Jon, act on that.

Gee -- now I really like you -- we had a rescued cat for 10 years until she died from complications with diabetes. Best pet I've ever had and my DD (who was 5 at the time) still misses her dearly. We still have the 3 kittens that we didn't know she was expecting when we took her in (they're 14 now)

I think at this point even changing the couch would be too much for the kids -- they've had enough change. Both parents should recognize that. But Jon needs to put his money where his mouth is, literally. It doesn't matter if Kate is restricting his income for now -- that will change once the divorce is final. I'm sure there are lots of places he could cut back to make this work.

 

[mistydoodles]

What the heck is that supposed to mean...about anything?

Not really sure but she seems to be taking to her twitter to discuss some of the drama.

Here is an article from Perez discussing some of their twitter comments.

http://perezhilton.com/2009-09-16-homewrecking-hailey-gets-nasty-and-looks-childish

It's finally going down! Sharpen you claws, Kate Gosselin, because Homewrecking Hailey is ready to start some drama!!!

And she's even made up a spiffy nickname for you on Twitter!

After Kate commented on Jon Gosselin bringing his skanky girlfriend to meet his children, Jon and his skanky girlfriend, like two pubescent dweebs, posted online that this in fact did not happen.

Jon tweeted:

"Just to clarify, Hailey has never been to my home in Pennsylvania. That has never been the case."

Uh-huh. Just like you never slept with the nanny? Sure, Jon. We believe you.

Whether it's true or not, makes no difference to us. What we LOVE about this whole thing is that Hailey Glassman has finally spoken out against Kate. And let us tell you - she is a class act. AND WE quote:

"I was never at Jon and Katezilla's house nor did I meet the children, And nor am I in a rush to…"

Wow, Jon! You picked a woman who resorts to name calling! How mature she must be! Oh the deep conversations you must have!

Then, she continues with this gem:

"When the truth finally comes out, the public owes Jon and I a HUGE apology, until then keep hating n being blinded, Bunch of Helen Keller's."

Wow! Ouch! We're hurt! We're surprised she even knows who Helen Keller is!

And you hold your breathe for that apology, hun. The only people who should be apologizing are Jon and Kate to their children for putting their family through this kind of humiliation.

Posted: September 16, 2009 at 2:45 pm

 

[mhsjax]

So what is Kate for not wanting the dogs. You know, the ones they gave the kids for a Christmas present? (I know they weren't really a present, but that is the script as presented for the 'getting the dogs' episode of their life).

Oh you mean the Kate that made the big announcement to the kids, the one who rushed to pick out the dog first and said ok I have my dog. People seem to forget about that stuff, I swear I don't know why some people think Kate does no wrong. I know Jon does but Kate is right up there with him, She is a behind the scene manipulator in my opinion, and she had all the PR at TLC helping her out, Jon has nothing, including apparently no brain of his own. But she is being coached to the hilt. She is a total witch. I swear I will never figure out has she has some so blinded by the light. It is like she served them the Koolaid to drink.

 

[madge]

I can't see this sharing the home the kids are in, lasting.

I can't either. It's one of those things that might sound good (to some) in theory, but the reality of the situation is that it's not. It's a place of stability for the children, that would be the only reason it's good they're there.

The house has become the stage for a side-show circus act, quite literally. That can't be good. We only see a portion of things and can figure that out!

But even if it does, if Jon were to have gotten a home that the kids could visit, I don't know about your state, but here in NY, he could take his kids to his home, as long as it was safe to do so, during his custody time. I assume eventually he'll take turns (at least I hope so) bringing the kids to NYC.

Unless they give us the answer, or Jon keeps the dogs, we won't know if Kate would have allowed the dogs to visit.

I don't think Kate gets to decide that the kids can't go to Jon's home. As an aside, Mady went off with Jon's mom.

Very good points! Admittedly, I know very little about divorce.

 

[mousey]

Oh you mean the Kate that made the big announcement to the kids, the one who rushed to pick out the dog first and said ok I have my dog. People seem to forget about that stuff, I swear I don't know why some people think Kate does no wrong. I know Jon does but Kate is right up there with him, She is a behind the scene manipulator in my opinion, and she had all the PR at TLC helping her out, Jon has nothing, including apparently no brain of his own. But she is being coached to the hilt. She is a total witch. I swear I will never figure out has she has some so blinded by the light. It is like she served them the Koolaid to drink.

ITA!!! They are both guilty of stupidity! Jon does and says things without thinking and she struts around like she's some high fluten movie star. I wonder if the 5 yr olds realize that their doggies aren't coming back. Maybe Kate could explain to them like she did about the divorce! TLC is definately coaching her--only problem she doesn't have a lot upstairs. Lets face it, neither of them have any talent. They have burned so many bridges it would be difficult to rebuild a fan base. They need to just go away....far away......