Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[Family Fun Mom]

And another thing, did Kate really say she "honestly" doesn't remember when Jon moved out? I didn't watch the interview but read here she said that. I find that extremely hard to believe. Any woman who's been married for ten years, has 8 kids to care for, and is left for a 22 year old blonde remembers EXACTLY when he left. You do not forget a detail like that. I don't buy it. Not for a second.

 

[Debbie]

yeah...I was pretty original with my screen name too.

Add me to the lack of creative ones. DIS was the first chatboard that I signed on for (followed directly by Disney-where I did realize that I should choose a cute name) waaaaaay back when there was one page.

Me too..glad I looked ahead and saw the new show. I loved the sand in Collins hair. He was so cute. Nice to watch a show with everyone just having fun. I wonder if Kate is on a relaxer..she seemed so much more mellow.

Even my DD15 who doesn't watch the show mentioned that. It's so much nicer to have have a relaxed attitude towards our kids-both as Mom and kids!

Did you like the twins reaction to Jon's earings LOL? I noticed he had them out when the sextups came home..guess he didn't want to hear them ask 6 times about them. I did learn tonight that Jon has had his ears pierced since he was 15 (he says it's not a mid life crisis!) by his brother. He has (is that what he said?) 4 tat's and loves motorcycles and this is the real him.

Not a mid life crisis....ri-i-i-ght. He's ONLY 32, you know.

My DH had one ear pierced when he was a teen but he has not worn and earring in 10 years. If he were to put one in again I would probably tease him that he's having a mid-life crisis. I loved the twins reaction to his earrings lol.

And Jon needs to remember that he is a dad with kids that need him to be stability in their lives.

My name is real original too,
OhMari aka Marisa I used to get in a lot of trouble growing up, and when I heard my mom say "OhMari", I knew I was going to be sent to my room, or I was going to get a lecture.

Love that! But at least it has some originality, unlike me!

Is that an Ed Hardy shirt they blurred out in this latest episode?

That's what I thought, too. Interesting, when all along there has been NO blurring, and now, all of a sudden there is. Guess the company really wants to distance themselves from Jon and his antics.

 

[talulabelle]

Guess the company really wants to distance themselves from Jon and his antics.
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No that's not it. The company that makes Ed Hardy would take the free advertising no matter who their shirts were on, that is why they flew the dim-wit dad to France. It got their name out there and their clothes on TV for free. The reason it is blurred out is because TLC doesn't want the designer to take advantage of their show anymore. They want money for product placements.

 

[DMRick]

I thought she said/meant (I don't remember the exact words) he had been in and out a lot, and she couldn't say the exact time he actually left for good. I'm pretty sure I would have known when my husband left for good. I guess if he lived in the garage she didn't know if he was there or not. I wonder if it has something to do with the divorce or custody case, and for some reason she isn't supposed to say, or if he moved out when she was on tour. I mean, how could she not know when he wasn't there?

And another thing, did Kate really say she "honestly" doesn't remember when Jon moved out? I didn't watch the interview but read here she said that. I find that extremely hard to believe. Any woman who's been married for ten years, has 8 kids to care for, and is left for a 22 year old blonde remembers EXACTLY when he left. You do not forget a detail like that. I don't buy it. Not for a second.

 

[madge]

I can't believe nobody has really commented on this. Disclaimer, this is just a theory I have, my opinion only...

I think that TLC pulled rank of Jon. He was probably going to dish the goods on Kate and the real story behind all of this. TLC is obviously banking on Kate to keep this train wreck going. She will be the main parent on the show. If Jon dishes the dirt and makes Kate look bad it could sour viewers completely. TLC can't let that happen so I think they shut him up.

Either that, or In Touch is the one that pulled rank so they could keep their exclusive. But that's not nearly as exciting, is it?

My money is on TLC putting a stop to the E! interview. Jon is clearly surrounding himself with his own team of people, and operating on his own agenda of sorts. On the other hand, TLC should have no worries with Kate talking, since she's got an interest in continuing the show and will do what is necessary to make that happen. Kate gave one "tell all" to The Today Show, and the interview with Kelly Ripa will be fluff. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kate talking to People magazine soon, especially if the ratings drop again this week. In fact, I think the amount of press Kate will do in the coming weeks will depend on the JK8 ratings. The major talk shows (Ellen, Oprah, The View, etc) are on hiatus until just after Labor day, it wouldn't surprise me to see Kate as a headlining guest on one of those when they come back for the fall season.

 

[madge]

And another thing, did Kate really say she "honestly" doesn't remember when Jon moved out? I didn't watch the interview but read here she said that. I find that extremely hard to believe. Any woman who's been married for ten years, has 8 kids to care for, and is left for a 22 year old blonde remembers EXACTLY when he left. You do not forget a detail like that. I don't buy it. Not for a second.

when Jon actually left may not work out with the timeline of events Kate is putting out there. Or she may not really know .. he could have moved out when she was gone on the book tour?

 

[DVCisME]

when Jon actually left may not work out with the timeline of events Kate is putting out there. Or she may not really know .. he could have moved out when she was gone on the book tour?

Or she does not want to look like she was lying during her last interview with the Today Show. I thought he crying looked fake personally. If she didn't want to hurt her kids by not taking off her ring, what does she think all theses interviews are going to do

 

[jpaxton1118]

Well, I suppose the flip side of that is not understanding why people are so eager to attack Kate then. Honestly, I don't agree with all of the decisions she's made but I don't know her personally. I'm not her friend or confidant. I have no idea what her 'real' life is like. We have no idea how this affecting the kids and can only speculate. To imply that she's a bad mother and is out to take advantage is a stretch. I believe she loves her kids and in her mind, she truly and honestly feels that by doing the show she is providing for them. Who are we to say that she shouldn't feel that way? We don't have any clue how stressful it is to raise 8 kids (in the beginning of course) and how heavy that would weigh on us. It doesn't appear the kids are suffering from being on TV, again I could be wrong but they *seem* happy. What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall during one of the filming days. If I'm wrong then I'll completely change my stand though!

As far as your point of view because you're from a divorce, I too am a child of divorce and also have 3 kids of my own. And I don't see the same thing you are and let me tell you, my parent's divorce was rather ugly as well. Assuming that because you're a child of divorce therefore you don't understand how people can defend Kate is illogical in my opinion. Of course it's your opinion and that's fine. I just don't agree.

Now, my take on the interview was that Kate was hurt, angry and trying to battle through this thing. I do think her PR set it up but I'm sure Kate was willing since Jon is acting like such an idiot right now and throwing her under the bus. I commend her for keeping parts of the story private, no need to air more dirty laundry...oh wait, Kevin & Jodi can do that for them! Serioulsy though, I think she didn't expect her life to take this turn, and I think she may have regrets about how she and Jon treated each other. She came across hurt yet strong at the same time. Obviously she is appearing as the stable parent and that is a credit to her no matter how you feel about her personally IMO. Most of us can agree that she didn't treat Jon with respect all the time but would you want to admit that on TV or in interviews? Perhaps she's ashamed of it and is in denial. We just don't know, we're not in her head. Maybe I'm completely wrong about her but I'm unconvinced at this point at least that she's as awful as people (general) alledge.

I think we can agree to disagree on this. TLC is not going to show the kids having problems with this because then they know they will have to pull the plug on the show. I don't doubt that kate loves her kids, just like I don't doubt Jon loves them too. I think JOn is acting like a kid and she is hurt but I think going on tv and airing their family's dirty laundry is wrong, especially when 8 kids are involved. If it were just them then that would be fine, but then if it were just them they would not have a show. Kate is hurting, ok then go home and hurt, don't go on tv and talk about it. I love how she can talk just about everything EXEPT when their marriage ended. That all of a sudden is private. Why do you think that is? Maybe because she ended it and does not want that to come out? I don't know just guessing but it just makes me wonder when she can talk about her kids and their feelings but not about other things. I agree it should be kept private and she should not be talking about any of it. but it she is going to do then she should talk about that before telling things about her kids.
Just my opinion.

 

[jpaxton1118]

Or she does not want to look like she was lying during her last interview with the Today Show. I thought he crying looked fake personally. If she didn't want to hurt her kids by not taking off her ring, what does she think all theses interviews are going to do

This is exactly how I feel and I agree the cry looked fake.

 

[madge]

If she didn't want to hurt her kids by not taking off her ring, what does she think all theses interviews are going to do

I'm guessing that the children are unaware of these interviews. I suspect the TV viewing is pretty controlled at the Gosselin house. After all, their favorite show is Jon & Kate Plus 8!

 

[jpaxton1118]

I'm guessing that the children are unaware of these interviews. I suspect the TV viewing is pretty controlled at the Gosselin house. After all, their favorite show is Jon & Kate Plus 8!

But the twins go to school and they have friends and in a perfect world their friends would not know about this but that is not very likely. My 6 year old daughter came to me the other day and told me that Jon and Kate were divorced. She was at my parents house and they had good morning america on. She had just walked into the room and they were talking about it. So it is hard to believe that their friends don't know about it.

 

[newtodis]

Was it Kate that said if they stop doing the show that won't stop the paparazzi? If so, she can't be serious. It's not like she is Britney Spears. Britney will be followed for a very long time, the Gosselins, not so much. Maybe a month or two after the show goes off the air, if that. No show, no story, no tabloids, no paparazzi.

Now that's where I have a different opinion. I think that they will still be followed because people will want to get their Gosselin info and they won't have the show so the pictures and unnamed sources will only get worse....

One more thing, what I don't understand is how Kate can play the woman scorned if she was the one who asked for a divorce?!

That was Jon's story though right?? We don't really know who asked for the divorce do we? Other than Kate's people (or Kate herself I can't remember now) filed the divorce papers.

I would call a bodyguard and a PR person an entourage.

I guess in my mind I think of an entourage as like a huge group of people - not a couple of co-workers or friends.

This interview tomorrow is a sugar coated promotion for the show. She doesn't want to discuss the tabloids.

I'm sure it's in the TLC contract that they do a certain number of interviews to promote the show. I'm also wondering if Zondervan (sp?) - her book publisher - was/is pushing her to go out and do some interviews to get her cookbook back in the works and polish her image a little bit.

Well, I suppose the flip side of that is not understanding why people are so eager to attack Kate then. Honestly, I don't agree with all of the decisions she's made but I don't know her personally. I'm not her friend or confidant. I have no idea what her 'real' life is like. We have no idea how this affecting the kids and can only speculate. To imply that she's a bad mother and is out to take advantage is a stretch. I believe she loves her kids and in her mind, she truly and honestly feels that by doing the show she is providing for them. It doesn't appear the kids are suffering from being on TV, again I could be wrong but they *seem* happy. What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall during one of the filming days. If I'm wrong then I'll completely change my stand though!

As far as your point of view because you're from a divorce, I too am a child of divorce and also have 3 kids of my own. And I don't see the same thing you are and let me tell you, my parent's divorce was rather ugly as well. Assuming that because you're a child of divorce therefore you don't understand how people can defend Kate is illogical in my opinion.

Totally agree - only I have 2 kids instead of three!

And another thing, did Kate really say she "honestly" doesn't remember when Jon moved out?

She was gone a lot - maybe "moving out" and "ending things" are two different dates. I'm willing to bet she's got a good idea of when she knew things weren't a "relationship" any more. It appeared that both were coming and going for awhile there so maybe the date isn't etched into her mind...I'm also betting she can't dish all the dirt per TLC contract and divorce proceedings.

No that's not it. The company that makes Ed Hardy would take the free advertising no matter who their shirts were on, that is why they flew the dim-wit dad to France. It got their name out there and their clothes on TV for free. The reason it is blurred out is because TLC doesn't want the designer to take advantage of their show anymore. They want money for product placements.

I saw the guys on Real Housewives of Atlanta wearing those Ed Hardy shirts and only recognized them because of Jon and the chat about them here honestly. I wouldn't have known it otherwise. (and yes...I kind of love my trashy tv - thank goodness for dvr!)

As for what's being said/not said - I think a lot of that depends on the different contracts involved with different groups - TLC, Zondervan, divorce proceedings and anyone else who might have a dog in this fight (PR people, attornies, ect). Now I still haven't watched the interview but I think it's ok that she didn't spill all of the details. Do I think she should answer the questions - yes. But the person asking those questions had to know before hand what things could not be talked about I would guess so they'd know what answers they were going to get for the most part. I'm with madge in wanting to know who's initiating the interviews right now....

 

[newtodis]

But the twins go to school and they have friends and in a perfect world their friends would not know about this but that is not very likely. My 6 year old daughter came to me the other day and told me that Jon and Kate were divorced. She was at my parents house and they had good morning america on. She had just walked into the room and they were talking about it. So it is hard to believe that their friends don't know about it.

Heck it was on Headline News last nigth and and the morning program this morning. TV watching is limited at my house too but by golly this seems like something you can't get away from if you would want to!

 

[kidshop]

I can't believe nobody has really commented on this. Disclaimer, this is just a theory I have, my opinion only...

I think that TLC pulled rank of Jon. He was probably going to dish the goods on Kate and the real story behind all of this. TLC is obviously banking on Kate to keep this train wreck going. She will be the main parent on the show. If Jon dishes the dirt and makes Kate look bad it could sour viewers completely. TLC can't let that happen so I think they shut him up.

Either that, or In Touch is the one that pulled rank so they could keep their exclusive. But that's not nearly as exciting, is it?

I agree, I think TLC is trying to contain Jon and I also think they are paying off the paparazzi in order to keep kate in a favorable light. (that's in reference to why Kate is not photographed on certain trips--and why we won't see her at the Maryland condo...my opinion only, of course!)

 

[madge]

But the twins go to school and they have friends and in a perfect world their friends would not know about this but that is not very likely. My 6 year old daughter came to me the other day and told me that Jon and Kate were divorced. She was at my parents house and they had good morning america on. She had just walked into the room and they were talking about it. So it is hard to believe that their friends don't know about it.

My hunch is that there is a certain amount of something (not sure of the word I want to use here ...) where Mady and Cara are concerned at school. They go to a private school and while I have no doubt that the kids are aware that Mady & Cara are famous, but these are their friends and probably all they've ever known.

Most of the tabloid/media exposure has happened in the summer, the divorce was announced after school was out. While it's unrealistic to think that kids wouldn't talk about it .. I'm betting it's more regular kid talk about divorce that you'd hear at any school on any given day. I don't know that it will be amplified because of their fame. I really hope it isn't.

But with that said, most children of divorce don't have their mother giving interviews in the national media about how they reacted to the news of their parents divorce. That's what's bad to me. Those girls don't have the luxury of privacy, thanks to Kate.

 

[DMRick]

I agree, I think TLC is trying to contain Jon and I also think they are paying off the paparazzi in order to keep kate in a favorable light. (that's in reference to why Kate is not photographed on certain trips--and why we won't see her at the Maryland condo...my opinion only, of course!)

So, even though she said she did not buy the condo above where she ate, or even that there were condo's there, she really did buy one, but the paps are paid off to not take photo's of her there? My bet would be, whoever would have paid them off, someone else would have offered more.
I'm not saying she didn't buy a condo somewhere, but I'm thinking not in the place mentioned.

She did say on yesterday's show that they would prob have a few days without the paps, but once word got out they would show up..and they did. She also said her security tries to make deals with them, that they can take some pics if they then agree to go away, which would explain why sometimes they seem to be pictures with them smiling. So maybe they made a deal before she took the boys camping.

 

[madge]

I'm sure it's in the TLC contract that they do a certain number of interviews to promote the show. I'm also wondering if Zondervan (sp?) - her book publisher - was/is pushing her to go out and do some interviews to get her cookbook back in the works and polish her image a little bit.

I have a feeling there's a lot of repair that needs to be made before Zondervan jumps back in with that cookbook... especially as long as Jon is connected to the show.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

My money is on TLC putting a stop to the E! interview. Jon is clearly surrounding himself with his own team of people, and operating on his own agenda of sorts. On the other hand, TLC should have no worries with Kate talking, since she's got an interest in continuing the show and will do what is necessary to make that happen. Kate gave one "tell all" to The Today Show, and the interview with Kelly Ripa will be fluff. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kate talking to People magazine soon, especially if the ratings drop again this week. In fact, I think the amount of press Kate will do in the coming weeks will depend on the JK8 ratings. The major talk shows (Ellen, Oprah, The View, etc) are on hiatus until just after Labor day, it wouldn't surprise me to see Kate as a headlining guest on one of those when they come back for the fall season.

I agree. Jon is like a loose cannon right now and it's in TLC's best interest to reign him in when it comes to interviews. Perhaps Jon is deliberately doing these articles in the hopes of being released from his TLC contract. Who knows.

I think we can agree to disagree on this. TLC is not going to show the kids having problems with this because then they know they will have to pull the plug on the show. I don't doubt that kate loves her kids, just like I don't doubt Jon loves them too. I think JOn is acting like a kid and she is hurt but I think going on tv and airing their family's dirty laundry is wrong, especially when 8 kids are involved. If it were just them then that would be fine, but then if it were just them they would not have a show. Kate is hurting, ok then go home and hurt, don't go on tv and talk about it. I love how she can talk just about everything EXEPT when their marriage ended. That all of a sudden is private. Why do you think that is? Maybe because she ended it and does not want that to come out? I don't know just guessing but it just makes me wonder when she can talk about her kids and their feelings but not about other things. I agree it should be kept private and she should not be talking about any of it. but it she is going to do then she should talk about that before telling things about her kids.
Just my opinion.

I agree that TLC wouldn't show the kids in a negative light because they are their highest rated show. I wouldn't go on national TV to talk about my divorce either but I'm not Kate. Her personality is different than mine, much bolder and she probably feels the need to set the record straight. Like the celebrities who sue tabloids/reporters for slander. To give Kate credit, she was answering Meredith's questions about Jon's girlfriends, the rumors of her affair with Steve and the condo as well as how the kids are taking all this. It wasn't like she sat there and just babbled endlessly about everything including the kids. She only mentioned Cara's reaction to her and Jon's explanation for the divorce and why doesn't take off her ring (in response to Meredith's question again). So I don't feel she was airing all her dirty laundry for the world to see. She realizes that J&K+8 is a reality show so she is carefully IMO giving info. about this difficult time. If she sat there and chronicled each of the kids' reactions, problems with it and so on that would bother me because it would simply be too much info.

I'm guessing that the children are unaware of these interviews. I suspect the TV viewing is pretty controlled at the Gosselin house. After all, their favorite show is Jon & Kate Plus 8!

Let's hope Kate is screening some of those episodes...gumgate comes to mind as well as the coupon episode! In all fairness, there are many adorable episodes and I'm sure the kids get excited about seeing themselves in them. My kids get very excited about watching home movies of themselves and giggle the entire time.

 

[Camicar]

She did say on yesterday's show that they would prob have a few days without the paps, but once word got out they would show up..and they did. She also said her security tries to make deals with them, that they can take some pics if they then agree to go away, which would explain why sometimes they seem to be pictures with them smiling. So maybe they made a deal before she took the boys camping.

It is very common that the stalked are forced to make deals with their paparazzi stalkers. You don't see the deal making happen bec the paps don't show how they will surround or barricade a victim in and refuse to let them pass until they agree to take pictures with a smile. They only show the 'money shots'. You generally only see that when a bystander posts a vid showing the entirety of the interaction. Occasionally a more hungry pap will sell a vid showing the entirety, but that's not as common as it should be because if it were, we (or those of us with a conscience) would never buy mags or tune into pap-fueled entertainment news shows because the way celebrities are hounded (and IMO verbally abused) by the paps is inhumane and I frankly do not undertand why it's not illegal ffor a group of these leeches to corner Adam Lambert in a stairwell or keep Hallie Berry from taking her little girl to her car or harass Kate Gosselin in a parking lot.

 

[kidshop]

I caught a few minutes of Kate 2.0's interview last night, that's all I could watch. I think Jon got himself a stalker! She is really out there. She said several times that Jon wanted her to quit her job so she did. I'm sorry, she's a big girl and we all take responsibility for our own actions. Personal responsibility. Watching her, it became clear she has some sort of disorder (Fatal Attraction?). Wasn't she 'with' Jon less than a week and they were going to move in together AND she quit her job to be with him!? Cuckoo!